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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New batshit NAHT guidelines on trans in schools

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pisacake · 13/12/2017 02:04

www.naht.org.uk/_resources/assets/attachment/full/0/77719.pdf

Rules:

Don't tolerate complaints about trans people: "Forbidding complaints (or fear of complaints) from parents, governors or staff members "

But complaints about transphobia should be encouraged, low numbers means you are secretly transphobic

"Careful records should be kept of the number of complaints made by any staff member (and pupils) that relate to transphobia and the outcomes of these complaints
• Low levels of complaints may suggest individuals have little faith that their complaints will be taken seriously or addressed satisfactorily. An increase in complaints can suggest workers trust the complaints process and trust that the school’s leadership team will take steps to improve conditions"

It's important to teach people about transgender from the earliest age, so that more kids can learn it's totally normal and Stonewall can earn shedloads of money

"Stating clearly to all staff members that it is appropriate and encouraged to cover trans issues in an accessible and appropriate way as part of their curriculum"

" ensure trans students and children with trans parents feel included in their learning, and trans staff members feel positively represented in lesson content and welcomed in the school environment. Primary
school leaders may want to ensure books featuring trans parents or celebrating gender identity and difference are included in the curriculum"

"Ensuring relationships and sex education (RSE) is inclusive of trans people and their experiences"

"ensure the school celebrates diversity by inviting external speakers"

"mark events that celebrate diversity, for instance, Trans Day of Visibility on 31 March "

Trans people can go where they like, if anyone doesn't like it they can fuck off:

"Trans individuals should be able to use the gendered facilities that align with their gender identity
• "it is never appropriate to require trans workers to use unisex toilets or facilities unless these are the only facilities available (or are the facilities preferred by the trans person)
If any member of school staff does not wish to use the ‘ladies’ or ‘gents’ toilets or facilities with a trans person then it is they, not the trans person, who should be asked to use alternative facilities
• Consider making gender-neutral toilets and/or changing facilities available as an alternative to the ‘ladies’ or ‘gents’ facilities. These may be particularly important for individuals who do not identify as either (or exclusively) a man or woman.
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Don't ask for GRCs and assume everyone has one:

"Not having a GRC must not be used to disadvantage a trans person. Asking to see a GRC is not allowed and may be regarded as harassment. It is best to treat all known trans and non-binary people as though they have the protection of a GRC."

But then follow the part of the GRA www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/22 which says you shouldn't disclose knowledge of GRC application obtained in official capacity as a scare tactic:

"Under GRA s22(4), if a member of staff discovers in the course of doing their job that a colleague has a trans history and shares that information with another person without obtaining the trans person’s consent, this could be considered a criminal act"

Never mind that if you never find out/ask about GRCs when hiring etc, then you can't be in violation of s22!

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pisacake · 13/12/2017 16:13

"To be entirely fair schools SHOULDN'T be tolerating complaints about trans kids"

But if John the pervey 16-year-old boy decides he is actually Joanna and behaves inappropriately in the girls' toilets, surely complaints should be heard?

Kids are not angels.

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pisacake · 13/12/2017 16:14

I feel that is the intention - if someone raises an issue like that it will be given the Rotherham treatment.

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WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 16:21

I'm on your side Pisa if the school allows John/Joanna into the girls loos and they assault someone in there then they have a massive liability issue on their hands - they have failed to safeguard.

My point is that when raising issues with schools people cannot go at it from the POV of objecting to trans kids, they have got to go at it from the POV of how are ALL children being safeguarded.

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WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 16:24

Schools (and everybody) need to be very aware of not facilitating another Rotherham incident. They should be far more aware/scared of the possibility of their liability and being sued if they fail to safeguard than they are of being sued by the next Lily.

100% of students have the right to be effectively safeguarded and schools have to ensure this.

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 16:36

I suppose I'm not clear how much attention school HTs need to pay to this?

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Datun · 13/12/2017 16:37

the Rotherham treatment.

That needs broadcasting as shorthand.

Everyone knows what it means. Everyone knows the consequences.

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 16:40

Ah I see you've answered that. Yes. Bollocks to it frankly.

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 17:10

That sounds unduly flippant. But I'm concerned both for the safeguarding of children identifying in this way (in a primary school) and for all our girls and, indeed, all our children And that guidance is frankly dangerous.

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Lancelottie · 13/12/2017 17:40

We absolutely do not want to cast a genuinely troubled child in the role of 'pervy John.' But those guidelines actively state that there is no need for any permanent intention to change gender: 'particularly important for individuals who do not identify as either (or exclusively) a man or woman' is frankly an open invitation to John to be Joanna for a day and see where it gets him.

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guardianfree · 13/12/2017 17:48

Safeguarding is the elephant in the room with all these transgender guidelines.
Transgender children and adults are all seen as 'separate' to all normal pastoral care and safeguarding policies.
Confidentiality about disclosures MUST be maintained by staff - no matter what the context .
Disclosures of 'gender non conformity' are NOT a safeguarding issue.
Schools should not allow their firewalls /IT filters to block specific transgender language.

Of course having trans staff are not a safeguarding issue any more that LGB staff are. But embedded in all the guidance are statements that fly in the face of everything we have learnt about safeguarding.

Rotherham indeed!

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 18:13

Well it is the stuff about staff too. I feel we should not let men in the women's toilet unless they have a GRC. Asking those women to use other facilities is basic victim blaming IMO. And how can we know about the GRC if we are not allowed to ask? But I think we ARE allowed to ask. Just as we are allowed to discuss any other specific needs a person has professionally and sensitively.

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TheXXFactor · 13/12/2017 18:13

Safeguarding is the elephant in the room with all these transgender guidelines

I absolutely do not think that all/most TIM are paedophiles. But I do think that the TRA movement is creating the perfect environment for paedophiles to operate.

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Babieseverywhere · 13/12/2017 18:25

"If any member of school staff does not wish to use the ‘ladies’ or ‘gents’ toilets or facilities with a trans person then it is they, not the trans person, who should be asked to use alternative facilities
• Consider making gender-neutral toilets and/or changing facilities available as an alternative to the ‘ladies’ or ‘gents’ facilities. These may be particularly important for individuals who do not identify as either (or exclusively) a man or woman."


Don't get this. Majority of woman don't want to share a bathroom with men. So where do we all go. The "gender neutral" option is also out for men will be using that one too.

It is almost like we need a bathroom just for women ! And as we women outnumber trans community 49 to 1. We need the multiple occupancy toilets and the trans identifying men will have to use the single occupant toilets as they are small in number and choose not to use the mens.

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WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 18:28

Schools are also responsible for the welfare of all their staff, again safeguarding issue. They need to sensitively manage trans staff, however they also need to sensitively manage the needs of ALL staff including the ones who want single SEX loos!

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WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 18:32

To me this reads like the NAHT has woken up to the possibility of being sued by trans staff and shat themselves. They now need to wake up to the possibility of being sued by the other 99% of the population if they get this wrong.

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guardianfree · 13/12/2017 18:42

WTAFisthisshit I agree.
Just like the Guides, they've outsourced this and have had a 'steering group' of individual Heads who have been silenced ( I'd better not ask about women and toilets or I'll be thought of as transphobic) and everyone consulted has gone 'looks great'. Because it's so vague that unless you realise that 'transphobic' means you can't talk about science, biology, women, changing rooms, privacy, sport, religious beliefs, safeguarding .... it all reads as sensible.
No one is standing back and looking at the big picture.

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Gacapa · 13/12/2017 18:46

Sorry yes, I mean I'll be raising it as a serious concern if it is adopted at the school for which I'm a governor.

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PricklyBall · 13/12/2017 18:55

The kids don't even need to be sexually predatory for safeguarding problems to arise - normal rampantly hormonal teenage feelings and behaviour are enough. There are going to be unwanted teen pregnancies from school trips where accommodation was segregated by "gender" rather than by sex.

(In fact from some of the levels of confusion about basic biology among teens who've spent too much time on tumblr, there are going to be pregancies which come as a complete surprise to the teen involved... "but mum, she's a girl like me, hers is a lady penis, we can both get pregnant, she shouldn't have been able to get me pregnant" - see Lily Madigan's recent tweet confirming that they are indeed able to get pregnant if you doubt the levels of lunacy being reached here.)

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LangCleg · 13/12/2017 19:21

There will be pregnancies as a result of catastrophic failure of safeguarding. It's going to be a disaster.

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pisacake · 13/12/2017 19:31

"(In fact from some of the levels of confusion about basic biology among teens who've spent too much time on tumblr, there are going to be pregancies which come as a complete surprise to the teen involved... "but mum, she's a girl like me, hers is a lady penis, we can both get pregnant, she shouldn't have been able to get me pregnant" - "

Yes, did you see this bollocks today?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5169081/Trans-dad-shares-pregnancy-photos-giving-birth.html

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Thelilywhite · 13/12/2017 19:34

I cant look- sorry, end of tether has been reached..

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MacaroonMama · 13/12/2017 20:17

Funnily enough I wrote to our Head just last week, voicing my concerns. And now this madness. He wrote a great response back, and we will meet in Jan to discuss.

Am also good friends with some of the governors, and I will now be writing a letter to them all about this. The school is all through (4-16) so they have a lot of needs to consider.

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WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 20:22

Pisa let's think positive, look at the comments underneath the great British public aka anybody who doesn't spend their life on tumblr can quite clearly see the emperors bollocks swinging in the breeze!

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ferntwist · 13/12/2017 21:24

Hard to believe this is for real. How could there have been such a total ideological takeover in such a short space of time, with no consultation? At the same time we’re trying to get better as a society at safeguarding our children. Foolhardy and shortsighted. This is not in our children’s interest. Who is this really benefitting?

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hipsterfun · 13/12/2017 21:36

Misogynists, fetishists, misogynist-fetishists, Stonewall (apparently).

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