Sainsburys unisex school shirts....

[BertrandRussell]

...are, in fact, boy's shirts. Of course.

[BikeRunSki]

Next always do a range of black/white/grey or rainbow/brights baby clothes which they call Unisex, and show online under the boys and girls categories. Nothing has "boy" or "girl" identifiers.

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

They still fit though, just not the best, but unisex stuff never does. It's same as they "one side fits all bollocks"

You can make "unisex" pants by age, they just aren't great. But when you have a child who is not NT and wants all their clothes in a certain fabric from the fabric shop, you can purchase unisex patterns that do the job. This wasn't for my child though I made them for a colleague.

[Balletgirlmum]

Well having put dd in boys pants once as an emergency when she was a pre schooler I'd say they are definatly different. She found the extra room for the boys genitals uncomfortable.

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

lass actually having made underwear for young children I can tell you that the actually pattern for swing for boys and girls are the same, you cut the same shapes, they just make them in colours that are more mainstream for the children. The size isn't actually that different a few mm on the hem that's about it.

Take "joggers" for young children there is no need for the pattern to be different, they are not tailored differently for either sex however at about 13 you will start to notice that female joggers start to be wider in the hip for girls to accommodate physiological changes.

[BertrandRussell]

I did specifically say "called unisex" Like the shirts I was talking abour.

[DrDreReturns]

WRT to clothing you're right of course, unisex means mens clothing unless you're Eddie Izzard.

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

Bert my perception of unisex is something not marketed to a particular sex iyswim, so for me toothbrushes, pens, toilets are unisex. So I can see now we don't have the same perception on what is "unisex"

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

Gunny yes, I think small children are fine in unisex but one puberty rears it head best stick to sex specific tailoring for comfort and fit.

And so far as knickers and pants probably long before that.

[DrDreReturns]

Unisex toilets aren't by default male are they? They don't have urinals for example.

[BertrandRussell]

I don't think toothbrushes are specifically called "unisex" are they?

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

Bert toothbrushes? They are unisex I wouldn't class them as "male" there are thousands of day to day items that are "unisex" and not male, or do you mean specifically clothing?

[ErrolTheDragon]

Hum... The buttoning is just social convention. I lived in the US for a while and IIRC they used the same 'right handed' side for all.

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

Gunny yes, I think small children are fine in unisex but one puberty rears it head best stick to sex specific tailoring for comfort and fit.

[BertrandRussell]

I don't think I've ever come across anything called "unisex" which didn't mean "male"

[GunnyHighway]

So maybe what we're saying here is that "unisex" doesn't work because we're different.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

They didn't flatter but they covered. Non-tailored standard white school shirts.

I usually apply a bit more to the selection process than "do they cover me" when choosing clothes.

Shapeless is not manufactured for men. Men's clothes are shaped to male body proportions.

My husband's pyjama jacket is not tailored or obviously shaped. Our chest sizes aren't wildly different his pyjama jacket is still too big at the neck, shoulders and sleeves.

[NotAnotherHarlot]

And FWIW I got through high school in my brother's old shirts. They didn't flatter but they covered. Non-tailored standard white school shirts.

[NotAnotherHarlot]

Ime of unfitted man's shirts they are pretty shapeless allowing those large of gut to still fasten them, as opposed to tailored ones which would go nowhere near a chunky bloke. Flattering on anyone regardless of sex? Probably not. But not everyone wants fitted. My point is that shapeless is already manufactured - for men. So manufacturing costs dictate that rebranding the same cut as unisex is not going to alter which way it buttons up.

As a tall long limbed woman with a big difference in bust/waist/hips for something like a lab coat I'd have to choose between sleeve length and the rest of it fitting. I'd probably go for fitting with too short sleeves.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I don't understand your point NotAnother Shirts already exist which are designed for female body shape.

Boys' and men's uniform / smart shirts are not " unfitted" - they are fitted to the shape and proportion of men's bodies.

There was a thread a while back berating a horrible , sexist work wear manufacturer for offering a range of lab coats for women, which was apparently, patronising (as opposed to recognising a chest 36' man's lab coat will be too wide in the shoulder, too narrow in the hips and too long in the sleeve for a woman with the same chest size)

I suppose it would be possible to make a loose, shapeless, unstructured , unisex , sack like garment which would fit all body shapes.

[NotAnotherHarlot]

Would it not make more sense to do something like cut? Men's shirts come in standard - unfitted and tailored - cut to fit male shape.
Going by numbers I should fit DP tailored shirts, in practice they don't close over my tits and I can't do up the bottom button. If they were not tailored I suspect they would fit, or at least cover.

Unfitted shirts, I suspect manufacturing costs are kept down by just labelling the boys ones in 2 different packs. Zero difference in manufacture.

It is male as default though. Can't see it changing though due to costs.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I think all clothes should be made the way men's clothes are with respect to buttons.

Why ? I've got 2 button through dresses and a coat bought in Denmark which button the men's way. I am right handed and find it really inconvenient.

[Trills]

There is no way that they tossed a coin. They chose the "male way".

[JigglypuffsCaptor]

My apologies, I assumed primary school children, of course post puberty they will need different clothes so unisex wouldn't really work for a fitted shirt regardless.

Women tend to need a dart and more material on the breast and some now come with a modesty cover to stop gaping at the bust. Women's collars are also narrower and the shoulder measurment smaller, and arms shorter.

[BikeRunSki]

But, but, but! It makes no sense to have unisex school shirts for teenage boys and girls! They have different bodies

When I first saw the OP I assumed it was about primary school sized polo shirts, for this very reason.

[AnguaResurgam]

'make' was of course meant to be 'male'

Sorry