Can I ask your thoughts on this article?

[Sallystyle]

It's quite long but some may find it interesting

The Real 'Everyday Sexism' is Against Men

www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/24/the-real-everyday-sexism-is-against-men/

There is a debate on FB and I am not smart enough to tackle it but interested in your views if you have the time to read it.

[DadWasHere]

A lot of posters seem to believe, mistakenly, that prostate cancer is a disease of the elderly. Just because toxic masculinity causes men not to seek check ups and dismiss symptoms as ageing does not make it a 'disease of the elderly', it makes it a disease of late diagnosis. Sharing stories of elderly men in their 70s and 80s is seriously unhelpful as it perpetuates this myth.

The age at which men are recommended by doctors to begin periodic checking for prostate cancer has been lowered to 40 in some countries. If you have any man in your life over the age of 40 you value I encourage you to engage with them about the issue to help defeat both this aspect of toxic masculinity and entrenched societal misconceptions about the disease.

[cailindana]

What I don't get is why women are perpetually responsible for the things men do. If men are concerned about cancer, then they can do something about that. If they are rightly concerned about terribly high suicide rates, they can also take action on that. Women have shown them how it's done - we've done it in the face of opposition, lack of funding, misogyny, etc and we've done it very well. Men have money, power, influence, all the things that should make fundraising and attitude change easy. So what's missing? Motivation, action, willingness it seems.
Meanwhile women should be grateful men are raping them a bit less and when they do rape them they do it in a 'non-violent' way. Whoop do doo.

[YonicScrewdriver]

When I broke up with an ex (for logistical rather than emotional reasons) I worried that he would not go to the doctor to be checked for testicular cancer without me reminding him.

I think I'd read an article in Cosmo encouraging checks and felt it was my job to prompt him.

DWH, anecdotal I know, but do Gq et al ever have articles about cervical screening etc?

[Jessica2point0]

I have three (short) points to add:

Mental health needs more funding across the board.
There are some successful efforts in raising awareness and money for prostate cancer (Movember being my first thought).
Women are not responsible for ensuring that men seek help from doctors.

[YonicScrewdriver]

Women as a class interact more regularly than men with the medical profession in part because of contraception and pregnancy, plus the main carer effect of being the one who takes the children more often.

Perhaps a side effect of the male pill will be increasing the doctor patient relations too,

[EBearhug]

My father died if prostate cancer at 62, because of that, his younger brother was checked earlier than he routinely would have been, in his 50s, and as a result got early treatment and is still here in his 70s. I'd love it to be a disease that only old men die with, not of.

A couple of months back, I was in a pub in London, and for a moment, wondered if I'd gone into the wrong loos, because of all the prostate cancer stickers. I assume the men's loos were similarly stickered up, but it dud make me realise that I think of the loos as a definitely women-only space, and resented feeling invaded.

I am possibly deviating from tennis posters.

[GibberingFlapdoodle]

Good god, so much confusion.

It is men who predominantly control the media, government, business, even the top of the caring professions. Go and ask them to the release the funds to deal with men's mental health, why is that lack the fault of women.

If violence is coming down, then I believe feminism can be thanked for it's part in it, as it has never tolerated violent behaviour and women are instrumental in passing that message down to their children. Further, how much does the improved modern awareness of social, emotional and therefore mental issues owe to feminism? It certainly doesn't seem to come from the entrenched patriarchy.

So thank us and support us! We're not the enemy, other men are.

[SolidGoldBrass]

I'm sure I heard somewhere that the model on that Athena poster is actually a man in a tennis dress anyway. Not that I have any problem with cross-dressing, or men being attracted to other men, but pointing out to squealy MRAs like the author of that article that he has probably been wanking over a picture of another bloke's arse generally has amusing results.

[BreakingDad77]

I dont get why these men and women are getting so bent out of shape, they seem to really believe there is some powerful lobby out to oppress them, they have conjured up some fictitious construct where men are a dying breed.

Usual sprinkling of 'butwudabout FGM' etc

[GibberingFlapdoodle]

It's a kickback, imo. Fired by desperation to maintain an undeserved privilege, and driven as I said by one hell of a lot of confusion. Many of the men pushing these behaviours are themselves at the lower echelons of society and would greatly benefit from a more equal world, but they only see what's right in front of their noses.

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Oh, SGB, if that's true I would LOVE to say it to his smug face and watch it fall. He'd probably chop his hand off.

[SolidGoldBrass]

TBH it may not be true, but you could tell him you heard the rumour...

[UptoapointLordCopper]

Wail! Women not looking after men! What is the world coming to?

[BreakingDad77]

I have sometimes been wondering that a lot of this anti feminist bile is from 'angry nice guys' who are trying to come up with new reasons as to why women aren't throwing themselves at them.

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

BD, I applaud your wish to see these kinds of men as nice guys, I really do.

In Daubney's case though, I'd have to wholeheartedly disagree.

[GibberingFlapdoodle]

"I have sometimes been wondering that a lot of this anti feminist bile is from 'angry nice guys' who are trying to come up with new reasons as to why women aren't throwing themselves at them."

Lol. I hope this is your attempt at an April Fool, else it is just more confusion. 'Angry nice guys' is a contradiction in terms when they are using it as an excuse to throw bile out on random strangers, and look those random strangers in this case happen to be women, what a surprise. Men in general seem to feel they have more of a right to take their problems out on others than women ever have. And coupled with 'why women aren't throwing themselves at them', well I wonder why not. Scale that habit of taking their problems out on others up a bit and you get abuse.

Why do you have a need to say that abusive men are 'nice guys' really? And on the feminist boards? Normally we judge people on their actions, or should do.

[GibberingFlapdoodle]

though I suppose I could rank as an angry nice woman. I think I'd prefer just angry.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

I sort of see why BD says "nice guys" (not that I agree with it). It's just that people keep saying "well he's a bit of a dinosaur/sexist/politically incorrect but he's a nice person really".

You can't be racist and "nice" but apparently you can be sexist and "nice".

This happens so frequently that when I meet a "nice guy" I worry that they will turn out to be sexist arses after all.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

I didn't mean my post to be a criticism of BD's post.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

I am certainly an angry woman. Sometimes I'm nice.

[ChunkyPickle]

What Buffy said - there is definitely a 'type' that thinks they are a nice guy, and is angry that women don't seem to appreciate that and fawn over him for it.

I have one on my facebook feed (friend of my sister), who is always liking images about how women get what they deserve if they go for the bad guy rather than the good guy, the occasional MRA article etc. I leave him there mainly to see what's going around (engaged with an MRA once through him, who stopped talking to me pretty fast when I was unflinchingly reasonable and upbeat)

It's not at all that we're describing them as nice guys, but it's what they think. In reality they're angry and bitter, and it shines through.

[StillLostAtTheStation]

I assumed BreakingDad was being ironic when referring to "angry nice guys" - much in the same vein as the thread about men who pretend to be feminists.

[BreakingDad77]

Sorry I knows its a contradictory term - but is as buffy explained.