Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 11 - the downfall of Erica Girardi

[Deedoubleyou]

Is anyone up to date on RHOBH? I can't believe these women (except Sutton and Garcelle) are so scared of Erica that they seem to be giving her a pass on this?

[thebellagio]

I've just binge watched the latest season now it's on the Peacock app - I'm absolutely stunned by Erika. She was utterly awful this series, the way she treated Sutton was terrible. Teddi must have been hugely relieved she was dropped this series, because Teddi was clearly terrified of Erika.

I honestly don't know what to believe with the whole case. Clearly Erika has lied so many times, she doesn't know the truth any more (e.g. Tom's accident) but I think that PK said it best - she's been in a controlling marriage for over 20 years, and she's still being controlled

Does anyone know what the latest is in all of this situation?

[happilybemused]

@sansucre @uptoongirl

Absolutely here also

[sansucre]

Now the reunion has had to settle, I realise that I wasn't really expecting any great revelations or admittances from Erika. In fact, all she has really done (all season) is show us who she is - vain, vulgar and vile. She is two-faced, something she is almost proud of and sings about. I don't even care if she's lying about knowing anything about Tom's business, I don't even think it's about that now, it's her lack of remorse or humility that bothers me. The fact she has spent so much money (irregardless of where it came from) in pursuit of her career, or to be blunt, a massive vanity project just reinforces she is a woman with a giant ego and sky high opinion of herself. She is 'style' without substances, she is all smoke and mirrors, fur coat and no knickers. She has no class, something that is further underlined when you look at her conduct and compare it to how Garcelle and Sutton behave and carry themselves.

[uptoongirl]

Looks like Jen went to the same school of acting as Erika with Coach's internal bleeding...what a thing to lie about! Oh well this is going to fill the void of BH! I know this is just a BH thread but Heather coming out of that van and telling about 20 NYPD and Homeland security personnel that she doesn't like the 'po po' was bonkers!

The new pics coming out of BH look like Erika is getting on with Garcelle but no sign of Sutton from what I've seen. Wonder if she is going to get frozen out?

[happilybemused]

This made me laugh, Sutton definitely needed Lisa Barlow on her side. Six attorneys !

[happilybemused]

Lots of people pointing out it doesn't matter if Erika knew, it matters that she knows now and is acting like she is.

[Cherryana]

That's interesting about what you said about Teddy and Sutton being similar. They are both come across as sensitive, intuitive, intelligent, non-confrontational women who are no interested in climbing over people to get what they want.

What I see in them, is a quiet inner strength, which seems to be perceived as weakness by people who get their sense of self from 'power games, manipulation and attacking others'.

I thought it was interesting that it was Sutton who bore the brunt of Erika's attack. To me, the closer it gets to Erika having to say sorry, apologise and take some responsibility the more she ramps up the deflection with her temper. With Sutton - I think she has got the closest to 'the truth' and that is why Erika has been quite frankly vile towards her. In a way that reflects more badly on Erika than Sutton.

I don't understand why when Erika has shown time and time again how vile she is - (calling Sutton horrible names) why the other women rally to her. There was this weird eye thing with Crystal and Erika - and it just came across as 'mean girls unite'.

I think Erika presented a master class in non-stop talking without saying anything in that episode and you are right - her 'who should we claw the money back from' monologue was more evidence of her self absorption and self justification.

I also think that Sutton's 'you pretended to be my friend...what's that lying' moment was actually brilliant.

That's my brain dump as well!

[uptoongirl]

We that was a bit of a damp squib of an ending. Yes Erika got asked more question but wriggled out of giving any straight answers again. Lambasted the ladies for not asking her questions rather than discussing things behind her back, despite having previously bitten off anyone's head who did - even at the reunion she bit Crystal's head off! The ladies and Andy sort of said we/they can't ask you questions because of your reaction and she started going on about being under pressure...so either they can or can't question you, what is it? Nobody looked at her firmly and said no-one is going to question you because of your reaction, they were kind of just mummering it.

Her reaction to being called a liar is so weird, Andy did ask her why it was such a trigger and she said because of the case it's not a good word to be throwing out - I could sort of agree with it but for one thing Sutton said it in relation to Tom's 'car accident' which clearly she did lie and we saw her a few seasons ago attack Teddi (who actually reminds me of Sutton) for calling her indirectly a liar. Waaay before any of these current issues so clearly being called a liar is a trigger for her, even though she is allowed to call people cunts and bitches.

One thing I did think was disgusting was when Andy said something about her Amex bill ($14m over 12 years) she agreed that she spent it but when asked how she felt she started saying should any of the lawyers at the firm or receptionists be paying back their salaries over the last decade. That's such a twisted way of thinking, they were being paid (I'm guessing most of them had no idea anything was amiss and they were doing a job) she was just living large possibly directly being funded from the victims pockets. I'm not even talking about whether she could pay money to the victims it's just her manner no shame she might have been splashing so much money when the victims were being defrauded. I'm aware she may not be able to say certain things that would make her look guilty but I don't think that response would have even entered my mind.

Anyway that's my brain dump.

[Uptoongirl]

Oh wow, just been reading about Dorit's home invasion. Apparently she was held at gunpoint in her bedroom while the kids were sleeping - PK was still in London. Just awful and terrifying. They smashed their way in through a glass door.

[GreekGod]

@sansucre

Yes, I hope she doesn’t get off though. Yes see where you are coming from with Andy, sad though - so much could have been achieved. Unfortunately, yes, you are right - it was the only real storyline

[sansucre]

[quote GreekGod]@sansucre

exactly that, it is an ongoing legal situation and Erika is culpable though. i personally, would think more of her if she said that she would give a percentage of her earnings to the victims, donate her designer stuff etc etc she had an opportunity to do so much and yes, she should go to prison and come clean to all of us about his activities - she clearly knows far more than she's letting on and she is protecting herself 100% which is not on when there are burns victims and widows etc, those people have nothing

Fully agree about Erika's foul temper - awful. Interesting comments about Andy, i honestly thought more of him than that

wow re Dorit - how awful. She'll continue filming in my view...[/quote]
While I agree, unfortunately, that is not how it works.

With regards to Erika, we need to let it all play out in court. While I do not necessarily think she knows the extent of what was happening, and nor is she directly culpable, she did play a part, even unwittingly. Ergo, she does need to take responsibility and pay back any monies that she didn't earn herself/came from Girardi Keese. But she won't do this, acknowledge the true extent of theft or offer any real apology to the victims of Tom's fraudulent activity/out and out theft until a court of law makes her do this.

There is a chance she could get off. And even if this is the case, there will always be a shadow over her head. However, I imagine a Bravo series of her rebuilding her life will be in the works. She has given this season the only real storyline, hence the somewhat light touch and them (Andy and co) wanting to keep her on side.

[GreekGod]

@sansucre

exactly that, it is an ongoing legal situation and Erika is culpable though. i personally, would think more of her if she said that she would give a percentage of her earnings to the victims, donate her designer stuff etc etc she had an opportunity to do so much and yes, she should go to prison and come clean to all of us about his activities - she clearly knows far more than she's letting on and she is protecting herself 100% which is not on when there are burns victims and widows etc, those people have nothing

Fully agree about Erika's foul temper - awful. Interesting comments about Andy, i honestly thought more of him than that

wow re Dorit - how awful. She'll continue filming in my view...

[sansucre]

I can't believe I am going to come to Erika's defence, but it's an ongoing legal situation, so she has to be very careful about not only what she says but how she says it. I believe this is why the victims are not really referenced otherwise it can be argued that Erika is culpable should she show any regret or sympathy for them.

Andy is never going to be someone who really grills anyone, and while I wasn't expecting him to hold Erika to account, he did put more heat on her than I was expecting.

The only real truth anyone needs to know is that this season, Erika has shown everyone of the housewives (and us too) exactly who she really is. Given her disgusting (and incredibly two-faced) treatment of Sutton, is it any wonder the housewives are terrified of her and want to keep her on side? None of them want to deal with who Erika actually is, or being on the receiving end of her foul temper.

In other RHOBH news, Dorit's home was invaded last night. All her handbags and jewellery was stolen. As they're just about to start filming the next season, it will be interesting to see if she continues.

[GreekGod]

I agree that Andy could have gone harder on her. A little bit disappointed in Andy actually. Those poor air crash victims. Why wasn't more made about that rather than a couple of references? They could have done a lot more and didn't. I believe she got off lightly. Fully agree that the others are terrified of Erica. God knows why. And what's worse is that she (Erica) still feels sorry for herself. Not impressed.

[happilybemused]

@Uptoongirl

I agree 100%

'I think Garcelle hit the nail on the head when she said, she didn't think Erika knew exactly what was going on but she must have realised their lifestyle didn't match up to Tom's earnings. Yes, he will have made a shit ton of money but 2 private jets, numerous million+ properties, $40k on glam a month etc etc is mulit-multi millionaire level.'

Totally

[EachandEveryone]

I just cant take my eyes off their make up. Appart from rhinna who trowels it on they look lovely.

[Uptoongirl]

Three reunion episodes down and I still feel like Andy is pussy footing around. Yes, he has asked some decent questions (not as tough as I'd hoped) but he is not pushing enough when Erika doesn't answer. Tonight he asked if she knew about the debt and her 'answer' was that she doesn't work at the law firm...that's not an answer. Andy then answered for her saying no - but Erika didn't actually say no she said she didn't work at the firm. Crystal also asked where Erika's anger toward Tom was and Erika suddenly puffed up and did her angry voice about Tom but Crystal could have pointed out she might be saying she is angry now but we've seen her crying and worried about Tom in the facility, actually talking about how many good things he's done and how many people he has helped!

I think Garcelle hit the nail on the head when she said, she didn't think Erika knew exactly what was going on but she must have realised their lifestyle didn't match up to Tom's earnings. Yes, he will have made a shit ton of money but 2 private jets, numerous million+ properties, $40k on glam a month etc etc is mulit-multi millionaire level.

[happilybemused]

Says it all 😂

[Onyernelly]

Lisa only started to want make friends with Garcelle once race was brought up.

[Onyernelly]

I agree with everything said above.

Rinna & Dorit are awful.

[sansucre]

@Uptoongirl

It's a four part reunion. Give them time, Andy is hardly going to leap into grilling Erika at the outset.

Am still trying to process not only what Kyle was wearing but what the hell she had done to her hair. Who on earth thought that style was a good idea? Her dress is easier to explain away, she's clearly borrowed something from one of her daughters...

I hate commenting on other women's appearances, but Erika's face is the result of too much alcohol, poor diet, stress and zero maintenance/upkeep of the plastic surgery/various non-surgical procedures she's indulged in in the past. Everything about her was lacking, I guess that's what happens when one styles oneself and no longer has a $40,000 a month glam squad.

Tbh, most of the housewives had questionable outfits on/hair and make-up. Only Garcelle and Sutton looked great which is fitting given they're the only ones to come out of this season with any integrity. Would happily steal either/both of their outfits.

Dorit and Rinna are foul. I would be happy if this is the final season for both. Sadly, I suspect this will not be the case.

[Uptoongirl]

Watched it. They haven't really jumped into the Erika situation yet, felt like they were getting the other (filler) storylines out of the way so hopefully more next week. Erika did feel the need to jump in every two minutes to make it about herself even when they were talking about something totally different. I really feel like she feels like people love her and are cheering her along. I feel like she is playing a role (in her own head) where she is this down beaten women who is rising to the challenge.

Side note - what the fuck is Kyle wearing? She has thousands of options, probably various designers sending her dresses and she chose the one that was so unflattering on her chest/décolletage area. Also whats happening to Erikas face...she's melting!

[MonicaGellerBing]

Oooh that's my morning sorted! Thanks

[sansucre]

RHOBH airs in the US on Wednesday nights, so it will be on Prime, Hayu etc on Thursday (tomorrow)

[MonicaGellerBing]

Anyone know when the reunion is on HayU? I can't find it