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Dd severely depressed and don't know what to do

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Pimmsypimms · 05/01/2020 23:48

My dd is 14 and in year 10. She is smart and has always been confident. She's had a few fallings out with friends in the past but she's been part of a solid friendship group for the last 18 months/2 years or so.
This group sent some pretty nasty messages to her and they fell out in October. The girls then isolated her by telling other friendship groups not to speak to her.
Ever since then, my dd has slowly slipped in to depression, she would always make an effort with her appearance and spend a good hour and a half getting ready for school in the mornings before his happened, now she will get up about 5 minutes before we have to leave and just tie her hair back with no make up etc.
She spends every lunch time in the library and she says she has no friendship group to spend lunch with and she is petrified that the library will be closed one day and she won't know what to do. She thinks that everyone is talking about her. She has friends that she speaks to, but not actually part of a group and she had totally withdrawn.
She is due to go back to school tomorrow after the half term and this weekend we have seen a real decline in her behaviour. She was anxious on Friday, barely Spoke yesterday and hasn't got out of bed all day today.
She said she doesn't want to go to school, she doesn't want to speak to anyone at school as she feels like she will cry if she does. She wants to be home schooled, that's definitely not an option. She is just absolutely sobbing about going back. I really, really do not know what to do!! I honestly never thought I would have to deal with this sort of problem with her as she's always been so outgoing and confident, but it's just like these girls have stripped her of any self esteem and she just can't pick herself up!
The school are aware and have given her a hall pass if she needs to leave the classroom for any reason and have said that she can go to the library no matter what, but I feel that this isn't really dealing with the issue. I know what there is very little help with regard to mental health issues with the nhs, but is it worth making an appointment with the doctors? Can they or will they actually do anything? She has said about killing herself, I don't feel that she would go that far, I think she is so sad about having to go back to school that she is expressing her upset.I honestly am lost Sad

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emanon · 01/03/2020 23:26

I also had the Sunday night meltdowns which were very distressing. We survived because after a struggle I managed to get DD on a reduced timetable which allowed her to go in later on a Monday morning and finish at lunchtime on a Friday. She did make it through her GCSEs, with all credit to her she knuckled down knowing how important they were and passed 6 and with one re-take the following January, passed 7. Far better than I had ever dared hoped. She is now at college and doing very well. The teenage years are so hard, not helped by social media. My daughter found every day at school very stressful, not helped by stressed teachers, bullying, boys etc. It was all too much. Every school morning I would be filled with anxiety not knowing whether I could get her there. If I can be of any further help, please let me know as I know how incredibly hard this is.

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Pimmsypimms · 01/03/2020 22:51

Sunday's are always bad. The reality of the school day tomorrow hits her hard and inevitably she takes it out on us. She can be so vicious 😔
All weekend she was great, Friday night and Saturday night dd, dh and I sat and watched Netflix together, dd had a friend over yesterday and went to a party this afternoon and then bam, this afternoon it's like a switch is flicked and she's a completely different person. She'll rewrite the weekend saying it was horrible, when in reality, she enjoyed it, up until thinking about school tomorrow.
It's unlikely she'll go in tomorrow. I can't see her going back to school properly at all. It's just so sad as she's so bright and has so much potential in her GCSEs, shes predicted 7s, 8s and 9s but the reality now is that I really can't see that she could actually make it in to sit them. She has her year 10 mocks in a couple of weeks. There is no way she can make those.
Ds is noticing the arguments a lot more now and commenting on them, I hate that he hears the shouting and screaming.
I just can't see light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. Ive given dd the option to move schools, but she says that she doesn't think she would be able to walk in to a new school and start again. She does like her teachers and lessons, but now we have the added issue of the realisation that she's starting to fall behind and that sends her in to a panic even more.
@Paddlinglikehell so glad to hear your dd has settled in well! I'll have a look at the thread you mentioned too, thank you.
@emanon sorry to hear your dd went through this too, but glad to hear she came out the other side, did she manage to sit her GCSEs ok?

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emanon · 01/03/2020 21:33

I went through this exact same situation with my DD and school. We went through a terrible time. She is now 18 and has come through it and is now happy at college. If I can help, please let me know.

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Paddlinglikehell · 28/02/2020 22:25

I'm sorry to hear this @Pimmsypimms, it is heartbreaking to see them go through it. Do you think moving her would help, new start and all that? I'm sorry too you can't seem to find more support.

Personally I find it so difficult to deal with, it's like a loss for the girl you once knew, although there are glimpses now and again, like you said, they are in there somewhere, just struggling to reach the surface.

DD has actually settled in well, she found it terribly hard the first few weeks, it is five times the size of her old school and there are boys, which change the dynamic. We had a few wobbles, where she missed her old school - I think it's like giving birth, you forget all the horrid stuff and always remember the good! However, she seems to have got past that. She has made a couple of good friends, they invited her to the cinema and stuff, she introduced me to them at a school play and they seemed lovely.

Workwise, she came top in the science exam, not a huge score, but was so thrilled, as her previous school was so academic and selective, so she was always somewhere on the lower end, as lots got 90/100% all the time, which used to be demoralising. She also is managing to keep up in the maths set they put her in, in her previous school she was in the bottom one, here she is in set 3 out of I think 6, so again, that's really good for her self esteem.

Most of the time she is okay, she never minds going in, but she is still very 'messed up', for want of a better word (I would never say that to her), she gets angry and turns that on me, but it's difficult to know how much would be normal 15 year old and how much is about what has gone on. She sees a therapist once a week, which she likes, but I have to question a little bit, as I know nothing that goes on - quite rightly too - but I'm sure she totally slags me off and says how unreasonable I am and of course I have no reply to any of it!

There's a thread on Teenagers - holding onto the rope, which is worth looking at, makes you realise you're not alone when it gets tough.

I had a bit of chat with her this morning, as she has been so rude and offhand with us recently and tried to explain how that makes us feel too. I know it's not really about us, but feel it is important she understands that she doesn't have the monopoly of feeling hurt.

A girl, the one who was her best friend, has messaged a couple of times, only chatting about school and how she is getting on, not about any of the other girls, she is cautious about what she says, as everyone else has been blocked. This girl was too, but contacted her via Xbox. Otherwise she has had nothing from anyone.

I heard that the girl who carried on the bullying after the first one was expelled, has left the school. Apparently they felt she needed a new start and it would appear that the other girls at school had started to accuse her of being why dd left and it was difficult for her - so the tables were turned completely. There is no way we would send her back though, the other girls were absolutely horrible, she is well out of it.

I just think it takes time, all we can do is, be there, try and be a friend, be the voice of reason etc. etc., but it is so, so hard. I think too, there is so much now about anxiety and PTSD etc., that they tend to get very wrapped up in their own feelings such a lot, which doesn't help matters.

I would suggest if you can afford it, you go privately to a therapist. I book blocks of four and it is cheaper that way, it may take ages otherwise and I think just someone for them to offload on, helps. I would never have thought the fees that we paid to what was supposedly a good school (not), are now paying for a therapist, shocking really, but the school let her down so badly.

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Pimmsypimms · 28/02/2020 21:12

@Calmonthesurfacebut thanks for asking.
We are still pretty much where we were at the beginning of Jan Sad
Dd is currently either very angry or very sad.
She does have good days and when things are on her terms and she feels ok then she's the old funny, chatty, witty dd she used to be, however, when she struggling (ie, anxious about going in to school) then she has such a vicious tongue (which is usually aimed at me) and she can't be talked down. She gets herself in to such a state, kicking pulling her hair, scratching at her leg or face) uncontrollable sobbing and screaming (very guttural). She doesn't want to go in but she feels that she would let people down if she doesn’t. There’s no pressure from us or school, we don’t push her to going in and just tell her to do what she feels comfortable with.
I knew that going back after half term would be a struggle and so she didn't go in on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday this week. Surprisingly she managed yesterday for 2 lessons and then one lesson today.
She is still, generally, trying for 2 lessons a day, the school are still being very supportive and dd is still keeping on top of homework, however, she will still, inevitably, fall behind as she is missing out on the majority of her lessons daily.
We went back to the doctors a few weeks after the first appointment as a few friends suggested a different gp who they had found supportive with similar situations as dd was still very anxious and depressed.
Again, the gp refused any help and suggested that dd was the only one who could do anything about it and said that we should do some baking together Hmm
Action for Children acknowledged our referral and they have a wait time of 12-16 weeks (that was 3 weeks ago) we have also made a referral to a local charitable organisation to see if they can offer any cbt. We are waiting for them to get back to us.
@Paddlinglikehell how's your dd getting on?

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Calmonthesurfacebut · 23/02/2020 23:22

I just came across this on my ‘threads your on’ and wondered how it was going with your dd. Has she returned to school?

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Topseyt · 09/01/2020 15:24

Glad to see that things are looking a bit brighter and that the school have begun to take things more seriously.

Fingers crossed for DD. I hope the phased return to school goes well.

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Hoppinggreen · 09/01/2020 09:36

Brilliant news

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Pimmsypimms · 08/01/2020 23:16

Thanks, I do feel a bit like a weight has been lifted, but I know there's a long way to go yet. Dd has had a bath tonight, got her uniform ready and done some reading for tomorrow, so all positive steps.

@Paddlinglikehell so glad your dd had a good school visit today and that she's feeling happier. It's amazing the different responses you get from different schools. Unfortunately, the common theme seems to be that most school don't do much. It shouldn't have to take a school move to resolve a problem like this Sad

I do feel very lucky that dds school has now started to take things seriously after a lacklustre start.
I think once we take a few more steps back towards full time, I will have another conversation with school about talking to the girls involved.
They do need to be made aware of the impact of their bullying. I just don't think that I want to burden dd with that hurdle yet as I feel that it may make her withdraw again. Baby steps Smile

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Paddlinglikehell · 08/01/2020 22:18

I’ve been thinking about you all day and kept checking for an update.

That’s a really positive start and hopefully your dd will feel supported from now and happy to go in. The girls who are excluding her need addressing though, I hope they speak to them too.

My dd has a good visit to school today to discuss options and support. Y TY hey we’re so kind to her and such a difference from her old school, who were not at all interested in her well-being. She is feeling happier too thank goodness.

Let’s hope our girls feel better about themselves soon.

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Lordfrontpaw · 08/01/2020 21:50

Fingers crossed for her 🤞

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Neverhavetoomuchglitter · 08/01/2020 21:37

That's fantastic news I'm so pleased for you. What a lovely, supportive school they have turned out to be.

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Pimmsypimms · 08/01/2020 20:36

So we had a really positive meeting with the head of year and the anti bullying coordinator this morning.
They both came to the house to chat to dd about how best to get her back to school.
They asked her about how she feels in each one of her lessons and we've arranged a staged return.
Dd will do 2 lessons tomorrow and they will even drop her off at home afterwards as I'll be at work. They've gone through her timetable and agreed on lessons that dd will go in for. In the lessons where she feels particularly isolated, they'll look at changing seating plans for her. She won't be staying for break or lunch yet.
They will also do a referral for the school nurse and also a referral for Action for Children to hopefully get her some counselling. They also have a contact who can recommend a private councillor for us.
Dd was noticeably more upbeat when they left. She said she felt that the meeting went well. I can't believe how supportive they have been. They have made it clear to dd that they will do whatever they can to get her back to school, but on her terms.
Very happy with the outcome, they couldn't have done more really.

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Neverhavetoomuchglitter · 07/01/2020 22:01

I've been in your shoes too. The only advice I can give is to keep doing what you're doing. In my experience my dd got better in time. Shes now in yr 11 and this is the only time she has been happy in high school. All because she now has a circle of new friends. Can your school organise a managed move to another school? It's a chance to try it without giving up their existing place. You might find it's just what your dd needs and if she's unsure then you can put it to her in a you've got nothing to lose kind of way.
I really hope she feels happier soon. It is truly heartbreaking to see your child suffer like that. I had it from Yr 7, moved her halfway through then she was ok until yr8/9 and things got dreadful. She cried every single morning. It was awful. She wouldn't get ready properly or leave her room at the weekend or anything. She actually threatened to throw herself out of the bedroom window and told the gp that so she did get referred. Shes had 3 camhs referrals over the yrs which did nothing! It just took time and new friendships. I think hormonally yr 9/10 is horrendous too.
Hope things get easier for you.

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YesSheCan · 07/01/2020 20:37

Agree Young Minds worth a try. Also this is free young people's counselling service in Notts and Lincs - not sure if that applies to you? www.casy.org.uk/

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Fretfulparent · 07/01/2020 20:34

youngminds.org.uk/

This is a good resource

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YesSheCan · 07/01/2020 20:27

Hi OP, my DD is having some difficulties too which are affecting her school attendance (although not due to falling out with friends). Luckily her school has its own counselling service and they are being really helpful but I'm aware most schools don't have in-house counselling these days. Agree with previous posters it's really difficult and takes ages to get an appointment with CAMHS - they only see the most severely unwell kids and for the rest usually write back to the GP signposting the local counselling services for young people that are available on the NHS. It really would be worth making a GP appointment to get an NHS young people's counselling referral in your area. Make sure they are aware she's talked about self harm. Hope things improve for her soon

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Paddlinglikehell · 07/01/2020 19:57

Firstly I like hearing of all the people who moved and it was the right thing!

Secondly, if you hadn’t said you were in the Midlands, I would be thinking she was at our school, even the teacher!

Honestly it only takes one and the others will follow, dds best friend - sleepovers, online gaming, really close, didn’t even invite her to her birthday party, all the others in the friendship group were there, including a girl who sent horrid messages to her. You have to ask what the parents are thinking of.

The school need to get them all in and talk to them. Thing is, it may make it harder, but can it be any worse?

I wish you the best tomorrow, don’t be fobbed off, they even tried to tell me it was because my dd was quite forthright and confident and insinuated it was her problem, not the nasty bully controlling the group. Funny that she never had any issues in all the groups outside school, or all the way through school from primary.

Sadly, she isn’t confident now, she’s a mess!

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MiniMum97 · 07/01/2020 19:17

My SIL moved our niece because of and the school wouldn't do anything. She's gone from strength to strength and is much happier.

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MiniMum97 · 07/01/2020 19:15

This is definitely bullying and not at all petty. It needs to be addressed or you need to change schools or home school. DO NOT leave it, expect the school to deal with it without assertive intervention from you, or expect it to get better on its own. You have done the right thing keeping her off and taking her to GP but support for her is just one piece of the puzzle.

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Pimmsypimms · 07/01/2020 19:10

@Paddlinglikehell there are 3 instigators in this and dd was very good friends with 2 of them, not as close to the 3rd girl though. Dd has said that the 3rd girl wasn't happy that dd and the 2 other girls had a chat group together and she wasn't included. 3rd girl wasn't excluded, she just hung around in a slightly different circle. The 3 girls all went to the same primary school together, dd didn't.
Dd has spent quite a bit more time with friend 1, my dh took her and dd to see a few bands and other activities, they were really close.
We have deduced that something was said between the 3 girls at an activity that dd couldn't attend due to other plans and the nasty comments pretty much started from there really.
Tbh, I get the feeling that friend 3 probably started it and the other 2 went along with it. One of the main problems in my option is that friend 1's dad is a teacher at the school and she is one of the 'good girls' so if the parents were brought in to the school and spoken to, I can't see them believing for a second that their dd would have done anything wrong and because my dd had a few issues with friends in year 7 and moved forms, then in their opinion, it'll be my dd who is the trouble maker.

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Paddlinglikehell · 07/01/2020 18:28

They don’t! Several people in education said its pointless going through the GP, as the waiting list for Camhs is several months. Who knows what state they’ll be in by that time!

We’re going into the blare school for a meeting about options etc. this week, so she hasn’t started. We have looked around though. It’s harder too as she’s previously been in an independent school, so naturally she’s worried at the difference. I think she thinks it’s going to be really rough, but it isn’t and to be honest the behaviour and language of the girls where she was is atrocious!

Does your dd know what has caused the girls to start excluding her? Did something happen? We’re still not totally sure to be honest, but they have been vile. Personally I question the parents who must know they’re excluding your and my dd when it comes to things they do outside school. Seeing everyone at a birthday meal, or bowling and knowing a few months ago, you would have been with them, is horrible. Could they be jealous that she does other things outside school? Those things and the kids there are what’s kept my dd going through the summer.

I would suggest she makes a list of the things that have happened, even things like going into lunch and them avoiding her, or not letting her sit with them etc. One girl started sitting in my dds place in lessons, no rhyme or reason, she never usually say there, I suppose she was trying to get a reaction. But it all adds up.

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Pimmsypimms · 07/01/2020 16:59

@Paddlinglikehell has your dd started the new school yet then? I hope she meets some new friends and settles in quickly.

I have spoken with the school again this afternoon and they were quite helpful really. They are coming to the house tomorrow morning to have a chat with dd and myself to see how we can move forward. I do feel that they are being supportive, I am also aware that there is only so much that they can do though.
The head of year informed me that the camhs referral process changed in September and I get the impression it's harder to get the support now as she mentioned getting Action for Children involved to stand a better chance of getting the camhs support.
Geez, they don't like to make things easy to get help for our children now do they!!??

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Paddlinglikehell · 07/01/2020 11:53

It is heartbreaking to see your child start to crumble and whilst I kept saying to her it will get better, this will pass, they so ‘in it’, they can’t see that.

At its worst she didn’t go anywhere, we struggled to get her out the house, but since going back in September, she tried so hard to pick herself up again, but the attitude from the so called friends really impacted, being excluded is bullying at its worst as it’s silent.

All I can say is keep on at the school, interests outside are good, my dd has a lot too, but I can see her confidence dropping in those at the moment.

Having a long time out of school, 5 weeks and a week over Christmas wasn’t good as she had too much time to think and lie around, so be aware of that, if she had started a new school straight away it would have been easier. In hindsight I should have asked for work, but she was so damaged, I just wanted to wrap her up and shield her from it.

Sadly she knows her old school go back tomorrow, she was there a long time and knows everything inside out, she was a ‘doer’ and a person who took part in extra curricular, now she is starting again completely and my heart breaks for her.

Someone said to me, your actions confirm that you care about her and whilst she may not like them, she will deep inside be grateful, that’s what I keep reminding myself.

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Pimmsypimms · 07/01/2020 07:50

@paddlinglikehell sorry to hear that you're going through it too. It's heartbreaking isn't it? I just feel so helpless. As it stands, dd has only actually had 4 days off due to this, today will be the 5th. We've always made her go to school in the hope that she can get through it, however, it's clear that isn't going to happen.
She is in top set for all of her subjects l, so as it stands, she isn't behind, however, I know how easy it would be for things to slip and she's worked so hard to get where she is today, I need to make sure she can at least keep her head above water. I'll be asking for work for her today.
Dd goes to a couple of afterschool groups which have been her lifeline in the last few months. She didn't want to go last night and she doesn't want to go tonights activity either. There is one on Saturday that she really has to go to as it's in preparation for something next month. I'm hoping she'll go to that. I might try and gently persuade her to go tonight too.
Thank you for all of your kind words and I'm so sorry for those who have been through similar or who's dcs have been through similar. It's so disheartening to hear how poor the schools have reacted to these issues and how little help there appears to be out there for anyone that needs it.

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