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[KatieBMumsnet]

The makers of FireAngel carbon monoxide alarms, (Sprue Safety Products), would like to find out how aware Mumsnetters are of the dangers of carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning. It's a topic you may know a lot or a little about.

They say "With the Jubilee celebrations and half term break coming up, we expect that many families will be heading off to enjoy an extended bank holiday - either under canvas, in a caravan or in other self catering accommodation. The recent tragic death of a teenage girl on a campsite in Shropshire has raised the profile of carbon monoxide poisoning - but we are interested to know whether parents understand the potentially fatal dangers of bringing a barbecue inside a tent or the risks that a faulty boiler poses?"

Sprue Safety Products is hoping to raise awareness of this issue with this thread and to generate discussion about how parents treat holiday accommodation (and how aware you are of CO safety in your own home). So please have a read of the questions below and a think about this topic and share your thoughts, stories and experiences.


How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?
Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?
How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?
If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning?

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?
Would you be able to recognise these signs?
Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?


Everyone who adds their comments to this thread will be entered into a prize draw where one winner will receive a £150 Amazon voucher, and 5 runners up will receive a portable, 7 year life FireAngel CO-9X carbon monoxide alarm.

More information on the dangers of CO poisoning and how to prevent it can be found here.

Thanks and good luck with the prize draw.

MNHQ


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(A message from Sprue Safety Products, added later in the thread and reposted here for clarity)

"Thank you all for taking part in this discussion and sharing your knowledge of carbon monoxide - and the alarming experiences some of you have had.

We would like to make it absolutely clear that in no way are we saying it is safe to burn anything inside a tent, as long as you have a carbon monoxide alarm. It is not. This discussion is designed to find out how aware mumsnetters are of the potentially fatal dangers of CO  in any accommodation.

A barbecue should NEVER be taken inside a tent, awning, caravan or motorhome. A warm, smouldering barbecue will give off poisonous CO, which can kill quickly and without warning, as it has no smell or taste. And NEVER place a lit barbecue near the sleeping area outside your tent/awning."

[gazzalw]

Well we have the gas boiler in a cupboard in our bedroom so the first thing we did was spend a fortune on a carbon monoxide detector when we moved into our home. Particularly as the DCs co-slept with us when they were little - it would kill them at lower levels than it would us. It is because of the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning that my DW took out an annual service contract for our boiler.

DW insists on sleeping with the bedroom window open come rain or shine, year in year out, to ensure the carbon monoxide would escape but the British Gas Engineer who does the annual service on the boiler said that was a waste of time; apparently the carbon monoxide could escape via the flue and then waft back into the nearby open window. He also repositioned the detector from outside the cupboard to a shelf within it, saying it's more effective there.

In our locality we've heard of various high profile cases of children dying of carbon monoxide poisoning in rented desirable residences, so sadly whether you are rich or poor, no-one is exempt from this potential tragedy.

I know that symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning can go on for some time before reaching levels to kill you or a family member. The symptoms are quite vague though, aren't they (tiredness, headaches, lethargy and general unwellness) which is why it is called the 'silent killer'. Also because carbon monoxide doesn't have a distinct smell

I think I would be quite circumspect about renting accommodation even on holiday without first checking that any boilers had been serviced by a registered engineer within the year. Also, aware of this because of people unnecessarily dying in holiday lets - although generally abroad rather than in the UK.

There have also been a couple of very recent tragedies involving disposable BBQs being used to provide additional heat in tents of a cold night. Not something that would ever have occurred to me but then we don't go camping. It is very sad that it takes tragic loss of life to flag up such dangers to the public.

Never really considered taking a CO alarm on holiday with us - but will certainly factor that in for future visits.

[maxpower]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?
I know it can be fatal and that children are particuallry vulnerable.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?
No but I know you need to ensure good ventilation around heating appliances.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?
No, I would generally assume these were being taken care of by the provider (but I'm quite picky about holiday accommodation).

If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning?
If the boiler/fire/cooker looked dodgy or unkept, I'd probably try to avoid using it or call the owner/provider about it.

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?
Headache, nausea, sleepiness.

Would you be able to recognise these signs?
I would hope so - children can be affected earlier than adults.

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?
No

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?
I would seek it out for myself at home, but advice in holiday accommodation would be good.

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?
Information on what appliances in the property could produce CO, confirmation of last testing, result and when next test is due, who to contact if you're concerned about an appliance, signs of CO poisoining to look out for and what action to take.

[MummyDoIt]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning? - I'm aware of the need to keep boilers and gas fires serviced.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home? - I have my boiler serviced every year. We don't have a gas fire. I have no CO alarm but the boiler is in the garage so I don't think it's a risk.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist? - Don't take any precautions in rented accommodation. When camping, I only use the gas stove outside the tent, never inside.


What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? - Headache and drowsiness, I think.

Would you be able to recognise these signs? - Not sure I'd connect them to MO poisoning.

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? - I don't but I'd consider it.

[EauRouge]

We have a CO alarm in our kitchen where our boiler is but I have to confess that I don't know an awful lot about CO poisoning and what I do know is from when there was a publicity campaign several years ago so it could be out of date. Maybe it's time for another one? People younger than me who won't remember the last publicity campaign might just think CO poisoning is something that can happen when you go camping.

I've a vague idea that the symptoms are drowsiness and headaches. I definitely need to read that link!

We are planning to go camping soon for the first time and a portable CO alarm sounds brilliant. I'm a bit paranoid after the deaths of those campers.

More information would be fab, perhaps as a leaflet or a fridge magnet so it wouldn't get lost.

[modernbear]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning? Aware of the dangers.
Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home? We have a monitor and we have our gas fire etc regularly checked.
How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist? no
If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning?

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? Headache followed by dizziness, sickness, tiredness, confusion and breathing problems.

Would you be able to recognise these signs? Depends
Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? Unsure. I never thought about CO poisoning on holiday before. Sounds rather silly when you thing about it. It could happen anywhere.

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday? yes
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available? Leaflet with checklist

[BitchyHen]

I became aware of carbon monoxide poisoning when my regular boiler service revealed that emissions were around 100 times what they should have been. Thank goodness it was discovered before anyone was ill. If the carbon monoxide hadn't escaped through the vent we could have died. I now have an alarm.

I have never thought about carbon monoxide on holiday but would now consider taking my alarm with me.

[welliesandpyjamas]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?
Aware that it is deadly. I remember lots of scary awareness campaigns as a student.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?
I bought one of those stick on things that change colour if there's a problem. I have it next to the boiler, which is the only thing that uses gas in the house. But I have been told it isn't necessary with a boiler?

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?
We camp sometimes and just rely on common sense, no checklist.


They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? Drowsiness, headaches, losing consciousness...
Would you be able to recognise these signs? I hope so, I hope I am paranoid enough about seeing changes in my children.
Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? never thought to before.

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday? I think we could all do with some reminding. Maybe something aimed at families rather than the traditional campaigns aimed at students and the elderly. All this especially in the light of recent sad stories in the news.
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available? The symptoms, what household fittings are actually potentially dangerous, and how to avoid problems yourself rather than at big expensive.

[ICutMyFootOnOccamsRazor]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

I first remember learning about it when I was doing a lot of scuba diving training as a teenager. Mostly now hear about it when someone dies.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?

No, but we don't have central heating or a boiler. We use solar for that.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?

To be honest, I've never thought about it on holiday at all.

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?

Headaches, drowsiness, cherry-red nail beds and lips.

Would you be able to recognise these signs?

Hope so, although i've never seen them in person, and CO poisoning would likely not spring to mind at the first sign of a headache or sleepiness.

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?

I don't. I've never really considered it, but I'm not sure the risk is sufficient to warrant it and I don't know if it would be ok to take on a plane.

Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?

I'd be interested to hear more.

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?

Maybe DIY stores where the alarms are available?

[maxmissie]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

Very aware, have known for as long as I can remember that a CO alarm is needed if you have gas heating/fire. Made more aware when we came home one day to find our alarm beeping and all the downstairs windows condensated - the strong wins that day had been blowing the CO back down the flue and into the house. Gas supply was cut off quickly and boiler condemned. Recent BBQ related deaths in tents has brought it home again.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?
Yes we have a CO2 alarm in our living room. Our boiler and gas fire are serviced every year. Our new boiler is on an outside wall in our utility room where there is some ventilation. Check the alarm every few months to see that battery hasn't run out and that alarm is still working.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?
If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning?

When self catering probably haven't checked whether CO alarm in place to be honest but generally look through the pack of info about the accommodation on the first day and usually see if there's a gas safety certificate there. When camping would never put lit or unlit BBQ or oven inside for fear of fire and fumes, it just wouldn't cross my mind to do it.

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? Headache and drowsiness and nausea.

Would you be able to recognise these signs? Yes but whether I would put them down to CO is another matter.

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? No but would consider it, just hadn't thought of doing it before.

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?

Would be useful to have this info for homes and holidays, for my home just to remind myself about it and the symptoms, things to look out for etc. For holidays to remember about it whilst away. It would be useful to have a small magnet for fridge, wallet sized info cards (one for home and one for holiday) so they are there for easy referral. Maxpower's list above is a good one of info that I'd like provided.

[brawhen]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

Fairly - see it in news stories and my mum worked for a HA (responsible for tenant's checks)

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?

We have a CO alarm somewhere. I think they might be integrated with fire alarm? (Does that sound plausible?). Boiler is in outhouse, so not a danger. We have a gas fire. We are scrupulous about annual boiler servicing - this is legacy of my mum's HA experience.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?

No. DH bought a portable CO detector for a holiday when DC1 was a baby. I thought he was OTT - but then again lots of the stories you hear are on hols. We haven't ever taken one since.

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?

Headaches, drowsiness

Would you be able to recognise these signs?

Not sure I'd differentiate them from any other cause

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?

See above

Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?

I guess - but I feel fairly overwhelmed by info on risks x,y,z

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?

Maybe a media campaign - would require little effort from me then

[BlastOff]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

I am aware due to my job and remember being warned lots about it at University. I know someone whose girlfriend got CO poisoning, but thankfully was fine. There have also been quite a few very sad camping tragedies recently.

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?

We have two CO alarms - one upstairs and one downstairs.

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?

No, that's a good point. In self catering accommodation (our usual holiday), I don't think about it. Maybe we should take an alarm with us.

If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning?

No, see above, but I would know not to have a bbq / gas fire etc inside a tent.

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?

headache, cherry red lips, drowsiness, nausea, coma.

Would you be able to recognise these signs?

Yes

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?

No I don't but after reading this I will.

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?

Yes

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?

I use the internet for most things so adverts on sites like mumsnet would be good. I think there was something in the child health book and that is a good place. GPs surgeries.

[Killergerbil]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning? Yes
Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home? have CO detector in the room with the gas boiler
How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist? Honestly no, but after the recent news we are planning to take one on holiday this year
If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning? Take a portable CO detector with us

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? drowsiness
Would you be able to recognise these signs?
Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? plan to
Take with
And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday? on holiday
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available? Sent with holid

[Killergerbil]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning? Yes
Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home? have CO detector in the room with the gas boiler
How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist? Honestly no, but after the recent news we are planning to take one on holiday this year
If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning? Take a portable CO detector with us

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? drowsiness
Would you be able to recognise these signs?
Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? plan to
Take with us
And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday? on holiday
What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available? Sent with holididay tickets

[mrswee]

I have some awarness and experiance of Carbon monoxide poisoning.

When I was 19 I lived in a dodgy rented flat with a gas fire. All through the winter I felt very tired and almost every night myself and my flat mate would fall asleep on the sofas before we could make it to our beds. We suffered from mild head aches too but we put it down to burning the candle at both ends as you tend to do at that age. Eventually the landlord had the gas fire looked at and it was condemed! the gas engineer said we were very lucky that our windows were so dodgy as they were ventilating the room much better than they should have been and we were slowly being poisioned by the gas fire. I dread to think of the long term damage that might have been done.

After that experiance I am quite paranoid about carbon monoxide and would feel worried if I had to sleep in a room with and appliance that might cause it.

I would never use a camping stove in a tent for all sorts of safety reasons, not just carbon monoxide. I have how ever had a camp fire nearish to the tent and now I would worry about the smoke getting too close after reading about recent accidents people have had while camping.

I have a type of boiler fitted in my home that cannot give out carbon monoxide but we are about to move house and the first thing I will be getting tested is the gas appliences the getting a moniter fitted.

[Firawla]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning? - fairly aware

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home? - i think we do have a co monitor/detector in the home

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist? - tbh it would not occur to me on holiday

If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning? - we just have the monitor, thats all

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are? - feeling drowsy, lightheaded and weird, when youre in the home

Would you be able to recognise these signs? - not sure

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you? - no it never crossed my mind to do so

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday? - reminder to consider it on holiday would be good, but we mainly use hotels so they would have to be safe anyway, surely?

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available? - website or leaflet

[Blu]

EauRouge - Read this link! CO detectors are not designed for tents, and rather than rely on an alarm when camping you need to not have any source of CO in your tent in the first place!

[cherryjellow]

I've deliberately not read any of the other posts so I'm giving you everything I can remember

This has made me really embarrassed about my lack of knowledge and safety in my home. I know there are dangers of CO2, we have a gas fire, we have ventilation etc. We don't however have a CO2 alarm. I really haven't even thought about CO2 on holiday... I know... thats bad.

I think the signs of poisoning are sleepiness and nauseous. The CO2 is invisible.
If the signs were regular in our home it would cross my mind.
If I had a CO2 alarm I would, I just have never thought about it.
I would like co2 information, I wouldnt mind how I had it. Glad its been brought to my attention now.

[nipitinthebud]

I am quite aware as as a child I had about six months where birds nested in the flue of our boiler (situated in my room) and I had headaches and nausea. once the problem was noticed and sorted the symptoms went - very scary in retrospect.

We have a CO monitor in the room that houses our boiler - but not in our lounge which has a gas fire, which probably should have one in. Don't bring one on holiday or camping but am aware that most reported CO deaths are on holiday or camping. Camping have only ever cooked a few metres from tent, but recent tragedies make me wonder what the safe distance is.

Signs and symptoms of CO poisoning I think are skin being flushed (as the oygenation of the body is all up the spout) and heaches, being sick, disorientated or unconcious. I guess I had symptoms of CO poisoning as a child, but the symptoms were so commonplace (mild nausea and headaches in a puberty hitting tween) that it wasn't at all obvious.

I'd never have thought of taking a CO monitor with me, but seems somewhat illogical not to considering you're probably as likely, if not more likely to encounter dodgy gas maintenance there than in your own home.

I would like more information on this topic - a TV advertising campaign would be good. But I would certainly read a leaflet or an email/article on MN or elsewhere.

[alittlebitcountry]

Used to have one of those stick on tabs that change colour if there's CO, since dd came along upgraded to a proper one with an alarm.
Not sure of the symptoms - red face flushed looking?
Camp a lot & would never have bbq too close to the tent & always make sure fully extinguished before sleep. Only use gas cooker with side open during the day, nothing is left lit at night, only use battery lamp.
Never really thought about holiday lets - will do now, and must check mum has alarms at her place.
Leaflet would be good, website even better for info.

[maximum4]

I am aware of CO poisoning and purchased monitors for our family home. We have a couple of CO monitors (one up and one down) and in the past I have even taken them away on holiday with us. More recently, I haven't because most of the mobile homes or places we have stayed have a CO monitor already in situ. I am aware of the signs/symptoms of CO poisoning. But I am avid reader of everything and love the news. Sad I know, neurotic - yes I am!

[lionheart]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

I have some awareness from my student days (dodgy rentals) and strong student union campaigns.
Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?

I have a sensor.
How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home? Do you have some kind of safety checklist?

No. I am alert to some of the signs and always worry about holiday homes/caravans etc. I'm not sure why a monitor isn't a legal requirement, as is the case with a fire alarm/extinguisher.

If so, what steps do you take towards protecting you and your family from CO poisoning? I make sure that the place is well-ventilated and watch for physical signs.

They would also like to find out your level of knowledge about the effects of CO poisoning:

What do you think the signs of CO poisoning are?

Sickness, headaches, lethargy, dizziness.

Would you be able to recognise these signs?

Yes, but wouldn't be absolutely certain that they weren't caused by bugs, especially on holiday when swimming in the sea, eating out etc.

Would you/do you take a CO alarm on holiday with you?

I think I will next time.

And also about education for families of this topic:
Would you like more information on how to prevent CO poisoning in your own home or when on holiday?

Yes, excellent idea. You can assume that the owners/holiday company is responsible and checks everything but it's a big assumption.

What information would you like and how would you like this information to be available?

Leaflets, internet campaign, television and cinema. A better awareness must be a good thing.

[lorisparkle]

We are very aware of Carbon Monoxide poisoning in the home and have an alarm fitted. However it was until the tragic accident that I was aware of how it could happen on a campsite. We are planning a camping holiday and now plan to buy a detector.

I think that much more information and a public information campaign would be great.

I am aware the symptoms are flu like and feeling sleepy. But with children these can't of symptoms are not uncommon.

We looked into getting a joint Carbon Monoxide / smoke detector for the home but were told that it would be too confusing

The more information that is put accross the better in my opinion.

[NeverKnowinglyUnderstood]

How aware are you of the dangers of CO poisoning?

very my aunt, uncle and 2 cousins died from CO poisioning whilst holidaying in a caravan in 1980

Do you take any precautions to prevent CO poisoning in your own home?

we have an annual boiler check, but with great awareness that it is accurate for the day they test it and no more than that. we have an alarm upstairs and downstairs. We are landlords for 2 properties and they too have CO detectors as well as smoke alarms

How about on holiday, do you take the same level of care in tents/caravans/self catering accommodation as you do in your own home?

Absolutely as a result of my initial answer.

Do you have some kind of safety checklist?

we never BBQ close to the open windows of the caravan or tent, and when we go to bed the BBQ is not left smouldering it is extinguished with water and we make sure all the air vents are clear from blockages in the caravan

[gazzalw]

Second bite at the cherry - I think awareness of the lethal nature of CO is growing, sadly down to the very well-publicised unnecessary deaths in recent years - particularly related to camping. However, I still don't think it's something that most people have a great awareness or knowledge of. I would say that there is a lot of work still be done to raise awareness so that there are no unnecessary deaths - at least in the UK where regulation should effectively have outlawed it.

I would imagine that in these difficult economic climes, people will cut back on things such as boiler services (unless there is a perceived problem) and it is just such cut-backs that sadly will probably see a rise in CO-related deaths. Perhaps carbon monoxide detectors should be issued from one source at a fixed, low-profit price to ensure that the uptake is as widespread as possible - and maybe as with TV Licenses they should be free for the elderly and possibly (children aside) most vulnerable groups.

Some sort of more comprehensive campaign is probably long overdue and needed right now before the death toll climbs higher. Again, camping is a probably increasing in popularity as it's a cheaper type of holiday and this increase needs to be matched by some type of advertising to ensure that families and youngsters don't take any short-cuts with safeguarding their lives when they're having fun. It would probably most effectively target via Media and health provision services.

[Slubberdegullion]

lorisparkle I am going to report your post to mnhq, not for deletion , but because as I feared this thread is sending out TOTALLY THE WRONG MESSAGE with regard to CO alarms and tent Camping.

Here is the advice from the Camping and Caravanning club re how to prevent CO poisoning if you are tent camping, as previously posted by Blu.

DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING THAT BURNS INSIDE YOUR TENT

DO NOT RELY ON CO ALARMS IN A TENT

You do not need a CO alarm if you are using your BBQ/Gas stove/Petrol stove/ Gas lantern OUTSIDE and WELL AWAY from your tent. This is how these items are designed to be used.

Mnhq I'm going to be like a dog with a bone at you in this one.