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I can't cope with DD anymore

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DepthsUnknown · 06/01/2017 12:16

I don't even know where to start because my life feels like a giant mess but one of my biggest issues is my 8yo DD.

These are the problems:

  • she is angry, what feels like all the time. Once she is in the throws of a tantrum, it is very hard to calm her down. We usually put her in her room and it will take upto half an hour for her to calm down but often she will lose it again quite quickly and this can go on all day
  • she is violent and will hit, kick and throw things in the house (this is everyday). She's broken so many things. Often the violence starts when she gets frustrated at herself or when she can't have something she wants immediately or if she can't do something she wants to do (either if I say no or she finds it difficult or it doesn't go how she wants it to - failing at computer games and her drawings 'going wrong')
  • she is constantly screaming, shouting and swearing at me. Every other word is 'fuck'
  • she is incredibly unkind and nasty to her younger DSis. She seems to get pleasure from upsetting people and will smile or laugh if we tell her she is being unkind. She is often rude to my friends and their DC.
  • she is anxious a lot, worries about things
  • she is generally unhappy and when I talk to her about it she will say that nobody loves or likes her and she is rubbish at everything. She often complains that she has no friends but her school say this isn't the case? Other times she will tell me everybody is her friend. She goes through phases where she threatens suicide and I once found her in her room with a belt around her neck
  • she is constantly complaining about being in pain, her foot hurts, her legs hurt, her back hurts. Even paper cuts seem to cause a lot of distress
  • she's very particular about clothes and the way they feel. Socks annoy her and her trousers have to be tight fitting but her tops have to be loose
  • she is overweight and no longer fits most of her school uniform. She may even be obese at this point (I haven't weighed her)
  • she's an incredibly fussy eater and is gradually eliminating entire food groups. She has refused to eat potatoes or potato products for years but now will no longer eat rice or pasta. She only seems to like bread.
  • she's decided she doesn't like certain people. Refuses to see her dad (although I think some of her reasons are genuine), no longer likes my DP, now she tells me she hates me
  • she is incredibly black and white about things, refuses to compromise, see things from another perspective or humour in things (she's quite literal). Her version of events is often very different from reality but you can't persuade her that things aren't quite the way she thinks of them


I have asked for help on a few occasions. We've had two CAHMS referrals from my GP but both times I was told her issues are behavioural and I should read a parenting book (specific one suggested) or get a family support worker. After that we paid for private counselling but I can't afford it abd she hated going. Only once has she lost it at school and she's doing quite well academically so they don't have concerns. After the incident at school (which included her throwing rocks at classmates) we were referred to a play therapy place for one term. I was self employed at the time so was able to take her (during school hours) but my employment has changed now. It was helpful in that it seemed to improve her self esteem but her behaviour was still poor. I believe we can ask for her to be sent for one more term but then that's it.

I don't know what to do. I'm ill and struggling anyway and I'm totally out of my depth. I often resort to just screaming at her because I can't cope with her behaviour but I know this is wrong and isn't helping. What can I do? Nobody wants to help me. I sometimes feel like telling her dad to have her full time but she hates him and I doubt he would be any better at helping her.

Can someone please suggest something? I'm at the end of my limited resources.
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DepthsUnknown · 15/05/2017 20:15

She's been fine all day until I picked up youngest DD and has been melting down ever since. Currently in the throws of one of the worst meltdowns yet, tied a rope belt around her neck (didn't know it was in her room) and is screaming that she wants to go to A&E.

I have work tomorrow, I'm ill and tired. I don't want to sit in A&E for hours with her just for them to make me agree I can keep her safe. I don't think I can but what happens if I admit that?

It's too much. I don't know how anybody copes with this. I'm almost at the end and I know it hasn't even really began yet.

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DepthsUnknown · 15/05/2017 23:07

Sorry, I know it's bad etiquette to keep replying to your own thread but I just feel so alone right now. I feel like we are marching fast towards a full blown crisis.

I threw in the towel tonight, I just couldn't do it. DS(17) took over but he ended up in tears (I've never seen him cry like that) because he couldn't bare to hear his little sister say she wanted to kill herself.

We eventually calmed her down so it was around three hours of the worst meltdown yet. She was lurching from one self harm attempt to the next, trying to smash her bedroom window, tying things round her neck, looking for knives. We usually put her in her room to calm down but not even that worked. We restrained her in the end and that did the trick.

After talking to her, it transpired that she was worried about the police coming (thank you CAMHS guy) and also that the children in her class are being unkind be to her, maybe even bullying her. I will speak to school tomorrow about what she's said.

Make that one step forward, five back. The worst thing is, it's really put me off going to A&E when she's like this as the appointment this morning has only made things worse and we don't actually have at help to show for it.

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Areyoufree · 16/05/2017 14:18

I wish I had some useful advice for you. Just wanted to say I hope today has gone better, and that you get the help you need. My instinct would be to keep taking her to A and E - they may keep her in under observation, which could get her seen by someone who could help. My friend did this when her daughter kept threatening suicide, and it did seem to help as her daughter realised there are consequences to threatening suicide. Plus she got referred for counselling. However, her daughter was a bit older than yours, so I can understand you being reluctant to do that. And services vary so much from place to place.

Anyway, just didn't want to read and run. I hope you all have a better day.

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Msqueen33 · 16/05/2017 18:01

I'd keep going back to A&E. My nt dd is your girls age and my asd dd with seven so not much younger. It must be exhausting and heartbreaking. I would look into counselling and also ask for anxiety medication. If behavioural intervention isn't working I'd look at medication to try to calm her so you can find ways to help her.

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DepthsUnknown · 17/05/2017 12:20

Thank you both. I know there's nothing anyone here can say by I appreciate having a space to talk about this. I feel like I've been plunged into a world I don't understand and I'm having to learn the rules by trial and error. I guess most people go through this when they have a DC with additional needs.

I got home last night and a police card was on the doormat. Thank god DD didn't see it first. They're not sure why an officer visited but it could have been catastrophic for us. I'm so angry that some of the professionals are inadvertently making this harder for us.

DD again disclosed some of her issues at school so they're trying to escalate our tier two referral. Tier three have referred to social services but the initial worker is insisting they do a joint assessment. No idea when that will be.

My manager took me for coffee this morning as she's noticed I've not been myself and my work is suffering. They've offered support with the potential to reduce my hours so I'm thankful for that.

No meltdowns yesterday or today from DD although she was being difficult, refusing to get ready for school, being unkind to her younger sister, punching me in the back on the way to school and calling us names.

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Melawati · 17/05/2017 14:07

Keep going back to A&E. it is an awful, awful thing to have to do with your young DC, and I had some of my worst encounters with professionals there, but it was the thing that got DD the intensive help she needed (and she was already being seen regularly by Camhs at that point, but they needed evidence to refer her up the tiers).
It's very hard, I'm not going to pretend it isn't, but DD today is so, so much better able to cope with her anxiety and rarely self harms at the moment.

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Msqueen33 · 17/05/2017 14:22

Also what are the school putting in place? The meltdowns are obviously showing she's under stress. How are school reducing that?

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DepthsUnknown · 17/05/2017 17:38

Thank you Melawati, that gives me hope that my DD will eventually learn to control her anxiety but yes, I find it all so awful and exhausting. I think part of the problem is that we keep being referred to services and I get my hopes up but it's just continuous 'interviews' with no real tools or resources that will actually help so I don't feel any better off and actually, just talking about it is stressful for DD.

MsQueen, the school aren't doing anything specific with her, they're just acting as the referrers at the moment. I keep being offered services that we can't access as I work. They're also trying to get me a family support worker and counselling which just makes me feel like they're saying I'm the problem. They seem so dismissive of my concerns re ASD. Why are they so reluctant to do the assessment? I just want answers so we can be certain of which strategies to try.

Does anyone know if I can ask for her to be medicated separately from the intervention by CAMHS? Are there any side effects or things we need to be aware of? I'm slightly concerned about medicating a developing brain but I will consider it as a last resort and better that than her being harmed physically or worse. I called my GP a coupe of days ago to ask if there's another route to assessment but she didn't know abd so far hasn't got back to me. If I had the money, I'd go private.

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Msqueen33 · 17/05/2017 17:59

My seven year old has medication for her ADHD. I was reluctant but it has made a huge difference. You can always take her off them but at the moment it sounds like you're at bottom.

I'd maybe talk to school about some simple things that are strategies for kids with asd and use them for your daughter.

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Cartooner · 19/05/2017 11:37

I just finished reading a book called Beyond Rainman. I haven't read this entire thread but your child sounds like mine so much (minus the self harm aspect) and he is ASD/ADHD diagnosed. I am finding him very difficult but medication has really helped. He also does fine in school mostly but my diaries and private diagnosis from a specialist convinced CAMHs, The book I refer to was written by a psychologist specialist in autism who didn't recognise high functioning autism in her own child until he was 11. They put all the anger and meltdowns down to sensory.

Also listen to this www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0312292

You are not alone. Don't despair.

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Melawati · 19/05/2017 12:38

My DD is on three types of medication now. She takes melatonin to help regulate her sleep (makes a significant difference), a medication for anxiety and an ADHD medication which she has just started recently.
Without the anxiety medication (which also helps with depression to some extent) she wouldn't have been able to access the therapies that have ultimately been pretty successful in helping her to cope with her anxiety and find other strategies to help with her low mood.
The ADHD medication has helped break the cycle of impulsive behaviour and negative feedback that was affecting her ability to get along with others and manage her behaviour at school and in the family.
We tried a lot of other strategies before medication, and had a fair bit of therapeutic input before medication was suggested. But DD's mental health deteriorated so rapidly that I do feel medication was absolutely necessary for her. It took the edge off the extreme feelings, it didn't make them go away.
But all children are different, my younger DD with ADHD isn't medicated, I don't feel it's right for her at the moment.

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