Retained reflexes - any info please?

[siblingrivalry]

Hi

Recently I have read a few things on here about retained reflexes.
DD1 is 9 and has AS and dyspraxia, but I had never heard of RR. I would love any information anyone has about it because a few of the things I have read about seem to be applicable to dd.

Many thanks in advance.

[Tabitha99]

Or if anyone would know of a DVD showing the daily exercises, that would be great!

[Tabitha99]

Hi, I've been looking into this for my 9yo. There is some sort of issue with behaviour and focus. Would anyone know of a Primary Movement therapist or a primative reflex therapist in Belfast?

[muminscotland1963]

I have an 11 year old son who had low self esteem and struggled at school because he felt nothing he did was good enough, believed no one liked him and that no one would listen if he spoke out. This presented as physical symptoms, stomach ache, muscle aches in his legs and missing school. when all physical causes were ruled out and after much shedding of tears it came out that he felt isolated and inadequate at school. Another parent recommended contacting Pauline Shannon of Helping Handwww.helpinghandcenter.co.uk/ who had helped her child. Two months later and after daily exercises and Pauline realising my son had eyesight problems I have now a son with glasses who is happier at home and school. Just spending time together each day to do the exercises means we have time for just the two of us (he is one of four children) and he talks to me more now than ever before. He feels that someone carers how he feels and is on his side and that was the first hurdle to overcome. If you feel the same situation with your child give it a try, referrals through normal channels can take months and this is accessible and effective. Good Luck.

[porridgelover]

Thanks Ido. What did you think of the assessment?

[Idohaveoneofthese]

www.inpp.org.uk/contact-us/inpp-licentiates/

Funnily enough I took dd2 to INPP in Chester yesterday.

[porridgelover]

I read through this (ghost!) thread last night. Very interesting reading.
I am looking at finding a practitioner near me. Does anyone know if there is a list somewhere? I cant see one on the INPP website.

I looked at the manual and am thinking of getting it. But its £57 on Amazon and I'd like to know it was worth it before adding it to the bookshelf. Any advice?

[sneezecakesmum]

I've just bought a book from USA about integrating RR with exercises/photos/explanations etc. By svetlana Masgutova. She has a website but is in america. Not read the book yet as its huge! Looks interesting and cost a lot because of the p & p!

[mrsbaffled]

My son did RRT as part of Vision Therapy at our local, excellent, Behaviour Optometrist (they have to get rid of the reflexes before the eyes can develop normally, and sort out the tracking problems).

In 4 months all 5 of his retained reflexes had gone. He was a different child. Really amazing x

[Badvoc]

Used inpp with great success.
Would recommend.

[nostoppingme]

I saw an article in a magazine recently.

The David Mulhall Centre www.davidmulhall.co.uk

[Amicia]

Has anyone tried Johansen Sound Therapy with 14 year old boy's? Or INPP

[Wheatley]

I did a reflex integration programme with my son 5 years ago and the differences were amazing even after 3 weeks in, I am so convinced that this can help children and so am now helping to promote the person who helped me. She is producing an online programme which has skype support, I really hope it does well, cheers

[DebbieSolloway]

Sphil,

Did the INPP assessment find your Ds1 to be mildly/moderately dyspraxic in most areas... ?

we did an assessment too, son has most reflexes retained in full measure. But she did not say dyspraxic or anything. I am anxious in case she missing something?

[LeslieKline]

Indigo- I believe then there are two techniques to integrate the retained reflexes:
1-Body brushing, with the brush
2- Sound Learning Centre (based on INPP method) that works with mouvements.

I would like to explore the first, because I have heard from Steven Clarke - trained at INPP and developer of the brushing technique -for years. Very sadly he died on 2004 and his book is impossible to get (someone may have?).

[Minx179]

Odd girl Sun 25.07.10 13.59

We were given similar info by the Behavioural Optometrist that we used for ds2's retained reflexes and Vision Therapy.

Dealing with Retained Reflexes was described to me as being similar to putting a plaster cast on a broken bone; a number of other options are similar to putting a broken bone in a bandage. While it may not totally 'fix' the problem it is currently one of the best options around.

Essentailly a number of therapies which are judged to 'help' actually mask the underlying difficulties the child experiences for example coloured overlays can be overprescribed for children with LD's; they are an easier/cheaper option for families/schools to use, while they may appear to enable children to read, but as soon as the overlay is removed the child can no longer read, or read as well. The overlay masks the problem, but it doesn't 'solve' it.
This is not to say that overlays are not of benefit to some children/adults.

I don't think you have to wait until the child is 7 to start Retained Reflex Therapy, my ds started at 6; though he couldn't start VT until he was 7. Unless it maybe due to the fact that at 3 you may end up doing the exercises 'to' him rather than him doing the exercises 'for' himself, IYSWIM

[IndigoBell]

Leslie - The neuro development program by sound learning centre is for primitive reflexes inhibition. My boy's Moro reflex went down from 88% to 36% in 6 weeks.

They spent about 2 hours testing all his reflexes, and gave us a report with a score from 0 - 100 on each one. 6 weeks later at the check up they retested the reflexes and we got another score for each one.

Over all his reflexes after 6 weeks he'd gone down from 69% to 54% - so huge progress.

Because such a vast improvment was made in his Moro reflex the changes in him are very noticeable. Just done his IEP this morning with his teacher - and since July he's made a whole years progress in some subjects!

[LeslieKline]

Thank you, IndigoBell.

Please refer to Oddgirl comment on Sun 25-ju very important. I have some neuro studies background and it sounds logical (given the lack of scientific background)to do the primitive reflexes inhibition before doing sensory integration -as far as I understand Sensory Integration is what the Sound learning center does.

We will probably do the Sound Learning Centre as phase two.

Someone knows and affordable brushing therapist in the London area?

Thanks

[IndigoBell]

I can't recommend a brushing technique - but can higly recommend the sound learning centre's retained reflexes program (neuro development program)

My boy's been on it about 10 week and everyone has noticed the improvement in him (even the school receptionist and his hairdresser). The exercises have been easy to do and only take about 10 minutes a day.
It costs £600.

I believe the dore program is based on the same principles as this program - so if you were considering dore (which costs about £2k) give Sound Learning Centre a ring...

[jabberwocky]

mumgoingcrazy, ds1 started brushing at just turned 4 years. I hadn't heard or read anything about 3 being too young

[LeslieKline]

Hello: thank you for our very useful posts.

We have decided that the best way to to for our 13-year old is to try the reflex inhibition through the brusing technique. Can someone recommend a INPP licenced practicioner in London, not too expensive?

I also heard that the Dore therapy is not being used anymore. Anyone has information about this?

Finally but most important, what is the difference between the brushing technique and the INPP method?

Many thanks for your answers.

[mumgoingcrazy]

I would have definately thought the opposite as well, he said as they can't be sure whether it's retained reflexes because she is so young, it didn't warrant a visit up there.

Will definately keep trying your OT as she is the nearest one (still 40 mins away) and I thought early intervention was key

Thanks

[MardyPig]

Sounds funny to only start at 7 to me. I'm sure I remember my OT saying the opposite - some OTs (not her) refuse to treat kids who are over about 7 or 8 as they say they are past help .

I hope I didn't send the wrong number. Do try the mobile if necessary.

[mumgoingcrazy]

Thank you Madge, I'll have a look in a bit

Mardypig, I've tried to call yours a couple of times but never any answer. Is it ok to use the mobile you gave me?

Another question, last week I filled in the INPP questionnaire and sent it to Dr Peter Blythe and I have just received his response which was that they only really treat children over the age of 7, and as DD2 is only 3.1yrs it's not suitable for her yet.

Is retained reflexes for the over 7's??

Thank you ........ again

[mumgoingcrazy]

Hi Mardypig, it's mumgoingcrazy @ Yahoo . co . uk

Thanks very much, I called INPP today and the dr there said there are no practitioners in Surrey and to go up to Chester. So would be very interested in seeing yours.

I'm assuming not all need to be INPP licentiates.

Thank you