8 week old awake crying for 12 hours

[Kaceywd]

Hi all,
My son turned 8 weeks yesterday. He still wakes up every two hours during the night but these last two weeks he spends the whole day awake and crying. Today he woke up at 6 am from his last nap and he's still awake. I try feeding burping massage playing singing rocking everything I can but all he does is cry and squirm. I'm at a point where I'm crying everyday out of frustration and I don't know how long I can do this. Is it normal? Please some advice :(

[Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin]

Have a look at the info on here or call their helpline

www.cry-sis.org.uk/copy-of-older-babies

[Cupoftchaiagain]

Oh dear that’s awful about the dog allergy. I do hope that when u can get out for some long walks you will both feel a lot better.
Do u think you will feel ok once you wash it thoroughly?
Do u mind sharing what kind it is and I am sure the knowledgeable reflux mums on here (my expertise limited to the non sleeping baby variety ;) will help with advice on how to make it as comfy as possible for your little one.

[Kaceywd]

Hi all sorry we had some difficult days.
We got the pram yesterday, the lady that had it lied about not having pets and the minute I touched it I developed an awful rash. After some Facebook stalking we saw that she has a dog so were taking everything apart to wash it.

Doctor didn't call yesterday so were waiting today. I will ask for carobel and to review the need for reflux medication. Ds has been upset again feeding every one hour and spitting out more than half of his feed. Today we took him on a long drive he slept a bit. @EmilyDoesntKnowHerStuff I hate when they say "" babies cry" dh is the same. For me it's not just sobbing, I'm also so irritable and take it out on poor dh who's doing his best and it causes a lot of tension. Hugs x

@forthplace we dont have family locally and all the friends we have don't take the virus seriously snf call me paranoid 🤷‍♀️

[Cupoftchaiagain]

Hi @Kaceywd how is it going?

[ForthPlace]

You sound isolated too. Do you have any family or friends to help you. Someone to take your DS for a walk while you sleep?
Can your DH take the baby for a drive as he arrives back from nights? Just some initial relief for everyone.

Are there any groups locally with workers or volunteers who could help you? I work in education, we have a few family support workers in the LA. Local Children's Centre? ( though many have closed down through lack of funding), parent groups?

[Houndabouttown]

Did you try the allergy milk for 2 weeks? It’s not a good idea to keep changing the milk without the guidance of a HCP in case it is an allergy. It can take a while for the gut to heal and symptoms to settle. There are also other allergy millks available- we needed neocate for ours.

[EmilyDoesntKnowHerStuff]

Oh no sorry OP 😔

I really wish I could give you a big hug as I know exactly how you’re feeling!

We stupidly never tried to find out what was wrong as we just thought that was normal for a baby ( mainly because whenever we said to anyone DD cries all day they would joke that’s what babies do 🙄). I wish I’d trusted my gut that clearly something was wrong!

For us, things improved when she went onto cows milk.. it was almost like all formulas didn’t agree with her (and trust me we tried everything! Including anti-reflux etc).

The only way I got through it all was to constantly walk around with DD in the pram. I remember doing laps round and round our house/garden just sobbing myself silly. Motion was the only way to get her to calm down or sleep.

I really hope you get some answers, it sounds like there must be something underlying distressing your poor baby. Frustrating I know when GPs etc keep fobbing you off!! Xxx

[whyareyoulying]

Dad had terrible reflux and she hated the bassinet but loved the car seat. In the end we got a wedge which seemed to help
Good luck

[Kaceywd]

@EmilyDoesntKnowHerStuff gripe water made him worse :(
Did you find out what caused her wind? Was it allergy or something?

[Kaceywd]

@whyareyoulying we have tried everything you mentioned, plus every winding technique I've found.
We found a travel system on marketplace we'll get in on Monday. It has a bassinet, carseat and normal buggy seat, a stand for the bassinet and the rain cover etc the family used. We have a car seat already but ds likes being on it so I will put him on the new seat for Dr appointments etc

[whyareyoulying]

Dear god, just attempted to read that back. You can tell I've not slept tonight!

[EmilyDoesntKnowHerStuff]

This sounds exactly like my DD was!! I really really feel for you, it still haunts me now.

Have you tried gripe water? That really saved us!! It really seemed to help with constipation and trapped wind. Even now we use it from time to time and DD is 19 months old!

I promise things will get better in time. I remember how miserable those times were especially seeing other babies so happy and easy in comparison. Just take each day as it comes xxx

[whyareyoulying]

You have mentioned that
You've tried different mills etc for little one but it mentioned if you've tried anything for colic?
There are a few things that you can try such as gripe water, infacol and colief (this worked best for us)
Also have you tried any of the colicassage techniques? Bicycles legs was a great one for us to help with wind and bowel movements.

Any luck on the pram front? If you're buying brand new what's the budget and what are you looking for with regard to features?

[Kaceywd]

He threw up his whole bottle twice, had to give him some comfort milk to keep down and manage to sleep a bit but I know he will wake up crying and be constipated :(

[Kaceywd]

@bananabmumma we use Dr Brown's

@Itllbeaninterestingchristmas we have been to the hospital 3 times with videos and a screaming baby all they say is "aw bless him he has colic it will pass". I know form the second they ask if its my first baby how it will go. I feel like taking him back to my home country and go privately but I'm afraid with covid.

@Jenasaurus how did they find out?

@anotherducker we spoke to the hv for the first time yesterday, she said colic as well. In their opinion, as long as he's gaining weight and not bleed he has colic. It's crazy how a baby need to be so unwell he has bloody nappies to consider an allergy

[Weenurse]

We ended up with goats milk formula for DD2, turned out, she had a dairy allergy.

[Itllbeaninterestingchristmas]

I had this with my first he was gaining weight had cmpa and just screamed. My second lost weight at an alarming rate GP didn’t want to see us just sent us straight to the hospital and the care has been brilliant.

It’s the weekend now the GP is closed until Monday. If your baby screams and can’t be settled over the weekend call 111 and ask for an out of hours gp appointment. You’ll get one, it should be in hospital and with lick they’ll refer you to the paediatrician. Do record a video of your baby screaming

[BananaBMumma]

Have you tried feeding with different bottles and tears? We used Mam anti colic and I’ve heard dr browns are good too. Definitely get a pram fot your mental health and general ease.

[Anotherducker]

Sounds really hard OP. Have you got any other support?

Could the HV advocate for you at the doctors?

[Jenasaurus]

I would contact your GP or Health Vistor, my DS was the same and it turned out to be an ear infection causing him pain.

[Kaceywd]

@anotherducker I asked for referral they declined said he doesn't need it. It's no support it feels like it's me against the Gp at this point.

Dh works night shifts and needs to sleep during the day and on his days off he needs to do everything in the house cause the few hours ds sleeps I need to sleep as well. He can hold him for a few hours but he can't wind him well and that makes everything more difficult for me so I choose to hold the baby for him to do everything else.

[Anotherducker]

Hope you’re both asleep now.

You’ll feel better if you’ve got a plan. I think you need to contact HV and GP on Monday (or tomorrow if yours is open) for some more support and ask for a referral to a paediatrician to test for allergies.

I know how awful it is, you feel like every day is torture and it’s so stressful, but it won’t be forever. Can you get a break from him so you can recharge your batteries?

[Kaceywd]

I get anxiety every time he grunts or moves in his sleep worrying that he will wake up and start over again. I'm not well

[Kaceywd]

Today has been a particularly bad day for us. We started out well but around midday he started screaming and crying, and totally ruined his night sleep as well (if he doesn't sleep at 6pm he won't all night). It's like the wind forms in his tummy minutes after drinking milk. I feel like I spent 5 hours a day winding him and there's always more. There's no way he's gulping all that air. I'm frustrated and I cry every day and I'm irritated with dh for no reason really i just can't help it. I will ask to change his milk again. Its been two awful months and I hate to say this but I'm afraid of having more kids in case they're like ds. :(

[yawnsvillex]

My baby did this for 2 years ... cried all day for 2 years!

Now he's a wonderful 7 year old with a heart of gold, smart, caring and lovely.

Hang in there, it all comes good.