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Post-16 school transport - how does it work in your area?

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Mutakirorikatum · 29/11/2019 14:59

So I know young Londoners aged 16-18 get a pass entitling them to free bus transport and subsidised tube and train fares in the whole Greater London area. Which is obviously lovely.

However. In our rural county I have just learnt that there is no free or subsidised transport at all for post-16 education. Instead we have to buy an annual season bus ticket which gives access to all the county's bus services (most of which will never be used, since it's primarily for getting to and from college/sixth form a few miles away). For a grand total of...

Eight. Hundred. and. Ten. English. Pounds.

£810 actual pounds.

Blimey. Most 6th form provision is concentrated in regional centres, so almost everyone will have to travel, and only the lucky few who live actually in the town where the college or school is will be able to walk or cycle. There are 'bursaries' available for low-income families, but they have to be applied for through the individual school or college, and there appear to be limited funds available.

I had blithely assumed that because post-16 education is now compulsory, there would be some form of transport provision, not necessarily to any school or college, but at least to your nearest one. But nope.

Is this unusual? I'd be interested to know what the provision is in other parts of the country.

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SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 29/11/2019 19:08

There was an allowance for young people in education after the age of 16.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Maintenance_Allowance
Guess who cut it? I gather from friends the allowance gave young people enough to pay for e.g bus passes and some other expenses and was universal so gave them a degree of independence.
Here in Somerset, bus passes cost around £900 a year. £900! The County Council is on its knees financially - making impossible choices about funding for social care (there was a Panorama programme about it), SEN, transport...the list goes on.
Our school only goes up to y11. Most students then look to the county town where there is a 6th form and a FE college. It is 50 mins to an hour's car drive. The county council subsidises an extension to a service bus route to come out to us. We are well served compared to smaller villages around which have, at best, one bus / the community bus, and more often than not, nothing. They have to get here to catch the service bus which leaves at 7.50 am. It takes 1 hour 30 mins to get to the town bus station. Students then have a 25-30 minute walk to either college. The return journey is the same. Kids here therefore have a four hour round trip. Sometimes the late afternoon bus is cancelled and they are stranded. Many have dropped out.
We live in a low wage area, very low social mobility. Even if you have money in your family and can afford to learn to drive and buy a car, you have to be 17 to start driving lessons. For some this is a year into their course. I have contacted the council and they are looking at whether there are any other options. They have no funding. Working parents, even on a rota, would struggle to do a 2 hour round trip twice a day to take kids. The irony is that the law was changed to require young people to stay in education or training until aged 18 but no transport provision was put in place to enable this. It has been described to me as a missing piece of a jigsaw. I think the raising of the leaving age came in under the last Labour Government but then there were elections, and a change of Government. The next stage should have been transport provision but this was not forthcoming. Instead we have had swingeing cuts austerity. If you want to increase opportunities and raise education and vocational standards young people have to be able to access courses and apprenticeships - if sensible public transport does not exist then other funded solutions need to be available.
The current system does not work. It is failing young people and in my view it is a national scandal.
We need reinstatement of the Education Maintenance Allowance and proper funding for transport as well as for post 16 education. The Labour Manifesto commits to higher post 16 funding and will bring back the Education Maintenance Allowance. labour.org.uk/manifesto/rebuild-our-public-services/
They will increase funding and regulation of buses and if councils take ownership, they will give under 25s free travel. They will reinstate 3,000 routes that have been cut, including in rural areas labour.org.uk/manifesto/a-green-industrial-revolution/ I suggest they also need a programme for transport to get to colleges /apprenticeships. It should operate like school transport - it should be free, because by law they are in education /training so not working. If a journey is more than an hour to local provision, transport should be to the college / training venue. We need to raise the profile of this issue with our local candidates of all parties. I'd be interested to see posts with any responses you get if so!

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SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 29/11/2019 19:11

Correction! the Somerset 16-25 bus pass is £810 not £900 but it is still a lot!

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Inforthelonghaul · 29/11/2019 19:12

Nothing for us and no sixth form provision locally. Thankfully there are good colleges a train ride away and although we have to pay, the new 16-17 rail card has helped.

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Inforthelonghaul · 29/11/2019 19:13

Although of course the final year will be considerably more expensive as DS will turn 18 and the next rail card won’t cover peak travel.

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Mustbetimeforachange · 29/11/2019 19:15

School bus here is about £650 for 16-18. Four miles. No regular buses that go there and no guarantee of a place on the bus. And no, we're not in the sticks. Cheaper for us to buy a car and pass it down as they leave school.

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GuppytheCat · 29/11/2019 19:22

Just shy of £600 annually here, but that's an improvement on the £900 it cost a few years back.

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Ilikesweetpeas · 29/11/2019 19:28

I have to pay for my 11 year old! Over £600 per year ...

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coconuttelegraph · 29/11/2019 19:30

Post 16s can pay to go on the school bus that's provided for free to the under 16s, I think it's about £700.

For college you just use normal public transport like everyone else, afaik there's no special deals

How can you make post 16 education compulsory but not provide the transport It's not as simple as that, education isn't compulsory and there's no way that transport could be provided to every training or apprenticeship, that couldn't possibly work

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TeenPlusTwenties · 29/11/2019 19:30

Ilike How come? Are you not in England, or did you choose a school far away past others?

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TeenPlusTwenties · 29/11/2019 19:32

But at least apprentices are getting paid coconut

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TheSandman · 29/11/2019 19:38

Highlands - my 17 year old daughter just gets on the bus in the morning as she had always done. Didn't realise this was an issue anywhere.

Another bit of the Scottish Government just 'getting on with the day job' and doing it better than other parts of the UK I guess.

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dontletmedowngently · 29/11/2019 20:29

Midlands here - the only secondary age children that get free travel are those that qualify for FSM. The ‘better’ schools are on the opposite side of town to us - there was no point applying as even if they got places I couldn’t afford to get them there.

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Thistly · 29/11/2019 20:32

Teen... apprentice wages even lower than minimum wage; you couldn’t do an apprenticeship without parental support.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 29/11/2019 20:37

Thistly Oh I know, DD1 started an apprenticeship. But at 16-18 you need parental support anyway if you are staying in education. My point was that at least an apprentice has some money coming in to pay out for travel with.

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calamityjam · 29/11/2019 20:56

And yet parents with teenage children continue to vote Tory. Confused

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Ilikesweetpeas · 29/11/2019 21:28

TeenPlusTwenties it's not our nearest school, but it's 2nd nearest and only about 5 miles away! We can't drive her there because of our work times. In Lancashire it seems you pay for bus travel unless it's the nearest school and over 3 miles. She had a miserable time from y4 onwards with some horrible girls who went to the local school so I wanted to give her a fresh start away from them. I admit I got a shock at the cost of the bus though!!

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MollyButton · 29/11/2019 21:39

Surrey doesn't do the Railcard anymore - because the government 16-17 railcard is much better value. It costs £30 a year but gives you 1/2 price on all rail fares, including season tickets. For my DD that made taking the train uch cheaper than a bus. Of course it depends on home and school being near stations...

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catshavestaff · 29/11/2019 22:01

teenplustwenties apparently they would need a double decker bus full to make it viable - parents have asked about it. Cycling isn’t really an option as single carriage main roads with traffic going at 50 - 60mph for part of the route.

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Lara53 · 29/11/2019 22:16

50% off train in Surrey for DS - new card issues in September bringing his full price fare back down to child fare. Hopefully he’ll be driving soon and can drive himself and his brother to and from school - 20 ish mile round trip

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Thistly · 29/11/2019 22:21

Hey Teen how did the apprenticeship go?

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Mutakirorikatum · 29/11/2019 22:23

Correction! the Somerset 16-25 bus pass is £810 not £900 but it is still a lot!

Yes, we’re Somerset too, though different area by the sound of it.

I realise they can’t fund all post 16 transport in the way they do 11-16, because not everyone goes to their catchment secondary. But if you opt out for an out of catchment secondary, at least your child pays a child fare on the bus. Making provision for 16-18yo in education to pay child rates woukd be an obvious place to start.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 30/11/2019 08:40

Thistly It was a nursery apprenticeship started at 18 having done a different BTEC at college. Started well. Hurt her back lifting a child. Never had a chance to recover, appalling personnel management from the nursery, back got worse and worse, eventually went off sick. Took 7 months to recover to functioning day to day normally, didn't dare go back for fear of reaggravating it so quit. Couldn't even get a letter or anything showing 2/3rds of units done. We're nearly 2 years on from when injury happened and not back in permanent work.

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Thistly · 30/11/2019 12:38

My goodness Teen, that’s awful. My dd may well have a similar trajectory, and I’m disappointed to see the local nursery i thought so highly of when my younger children went there, seems to also have personnel issues. I now work in a related role and hear about some poor treatment of staff.
Such a Shame that childcare workers are not better looked after.

I wish your dd a full recovery and that she finds a path which helps her to rebuild her confidence.

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Thistly · 30/11/2019 12:40

Sorry, I’m totally assuming that an experience like that would affect someone’s confidence, but that may not be the case for your dd. Flowers

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avocadochocolate · 30/11/2019 15:19

I think the way it works is that your local council has a statutory duty to ensure children up to and including y11 can get to school. After that, they have no responsibility. There might be some exceptions in special circumstances, such as disability.

If you go onto www.gov.uk, you can search no 'travel to school' and find the official guidance.

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