Not sure what to do about this situation at school

[FoxyDog1234]

My child is a rather kind child (13 yrs) but is a chatterbox and her head of year hinted towards the fact she might have ADHD . She’s told this certain teacher many times sh can’t help talking but her form teache just continues to single her and and put her down.what do I do ? Should I go for an adhd diagnosis although I’m not sure whether it will come inconclusive or not ? She is very easily distracted by people or things outside the window etc or things on walls and is lazy , forgetful and I’ve had her take multiple tests on this and they’ve all said they thinks she’s got ADHD . Does ADHD show up later I’m girls ? Or worsen as they get older as she was never a problem in primary only since age 12 but she’s always been hyper and lazy

[FoxyDog1234]

Thanks , it does x

[semideponent]

One more thing, OP: were you aware that dyslexia and ADHD have high co-morbidity? i.e. if someone meets diagnosis threshold for one, they're statistically more likely to meet diagnostic criteria for the other as well?

Both my DCs have ADHD diagnoses. One displays some dyslexic traits but not enough of them to merit a full-blown dyslexia diagnosis (I could push the issue, but agree with the school that it wouldn't be very helpful for her at the moment: she is, however, receiving regular Learning Support).

Hope that helps.

[colditz]

She needs an assessment: take her to take doctor. This is something that s parent must do.

[FoxyDog1234]

I do but nothing ever works , I’ve taken her phone , grounded her ect to no avail

[FoxyDog1234]

This message kind of opened my eyes a little bit , there is only her and another lad that do this in lessons but where she is being ‘picked on’ it’s a mixed ability group and is form time

[JamieFraser]

Yes you actually have to have her assessed. But even if she had adhd it can't be any excuse for her to disrupt the education of others. You need to put measures in place to discourage poor behaviour

[colditz]

I guarantee she is not being picked on for no reason. She will be picked up on fidgeting, shouting out, day dreaming etc because it's simply not normal for a young person aged 13 to do this. She quite possibly, in a top set, IS the only one behaving like that.

[FoxyDog1234]

Ok thanks

[titchy]

Why would uploading a photo be helpful? Have her assessed ffs. No one here can do it for you.

[FoxyDog1234]

I understand this but it’s just the fact she tells me it’s only her in trouble when she’s not the only one

[MaisyPops]

It's worth getting an assessment. Then you know and can move forward.

Equally, her form teacher isn't singling her out for pointing out when it's not appropriate to talk / saying she has to follow instructions.

I teach lots of children with ADHD. None of them are rude. They may need help to focus and skills to support concentration but if they talk when they shouldn't then I still pick them up on it.

[GreenTulips]

They can be more accommodating
Lower sets for some as they plato - DS for example is in set 3 but doing the same work as set one (DD set) only in a class of 10 rather than 30 - maths

He's in set 2 English - again slower pace more attention than set 1

Both have the same homework

Year 9

Depends on what the issues are and how they solve them -

DS is allowed an iPad due to poor handwriting and he's gets extra time for processing - a lot of dyslexics panic at times events - especially times tables or spelling tests -

Pace too quick too many instructions too many distractions etc

Each child is different depending on the scale of deficiency

[SexNotJenga]

The support your dd gets will depend on her specific personal needs, not the diagnosis. It isn't the case that one is necessarily more severe than the other.
Students should only be moved sets if that is beneficial to their learning. Speaking in general terms, being moved down a set can be beneficial to a student's learning - a slightly slower pace and simpler instructions can help, and for some students it is much better to be at the top of a middle set than the bottom of the top set.

CAMHS services are all commissioned separately by NHS trusts. In some areas they can and do diagnose neurological issues, in some areas they don't. I would recommend that you phone them directly to ask for advice. If they recommend a different organisation, ring them too to make sure. Don't depend on your GP to be completely au fait with services because things change pretty often.

[EvaHarknessRose]

Paediatrician rather than CAMHS as no mental health issues. Make a note of examples of poor attention and concentration, examples of hyperactivity and examples of impulsive actions (like shouting out).

[TeenTimesTwo]

There is no reason to move someone down sets just because they have a SpLD.

Green out of interest, why do you think it sounds more like dyslexia?

OP - ask to be assessed for both if you think it could be either. It isn't a point of which diagnosis gives the more support, it is about which diagnosis is correct (and it could of course be both).

[FoxyDog1234]

Would they get more behavioural support with a dyslexia diagnosis or and adhd one? And also did yours get moved down sets after diagnosis ?

[GreenTulips]

Of this week 37 signs She needs 10 for a diagnosis

DS hit 32

[GreenTulips]

School can run a 15 min computer program or you can pay on Nessy.com if you want to - not expensive

ADHD is more difficult and needs yours and school input and a waiting space for CAMHS - worth doing both

[FoxyDog1234]

I read this and asked her and she said most seem familiar , I noticed many were adhd traits also but the finger counting and stuttering when speaking sometimes when stressed and not being able to put thoughts down and telling time seem familiar , her dad has dyslexia though which makes me think more about her having it . She also has all adhd traits though , could I get h r tested for both ?

[GreenTulips]

www.dyslexia.com/about-dyslexia/signs-of-dyslexia/test-for-dyslexia-37-signs/

[GreenTulips]

Clever dyslexics can hide their ability up to a point - for example they work out how to circumvent a problem and looks like they are managing until it all goes pop.

They are likely to have reading writing and spelling difficulties - but not always noticeable until they can't manage any longer

Some have short term memory issues - so forgetful and can't follow instructions - whilst they try to remember instruction one - they've forgotten instruction 4
They are or appear disorganized because they can't remember - some will be efficient at writing things in a diary or organized folders so appear super organized - they aren't they just found a way round

Because it all gets too much they can suddenly start to play up in class because they can't physically fit anymore information and hold on to it - so no longer coping

Look up 37 signs of dyslexia

A lot of dyslexics aren't diagnosed until university age

[FoxyDog1234]

Ok thanks

[SexNotJenga]

Camhs diagnosis will take longer but carry more weight. Get on the waiting list.

[SexNotJenga]

If she does have ADHD then you do want people to treat her differently: you want them to understand that she will find certain things difficult and will need and deserve support with them. You will want her teachers at school and maybe at university to understand how to support her. You won't want them to tell her off for things she can't help. You will want a variety of institutions - and employers - to understand that they have a legal duty to make reasonable adjustments to level the playing field.

The sooner support is put in place the better it works. Take her to the GP. And if she doesn't have ADHD/ADD or any other such condition, it's important to know that too.