Can anyone translate this latin sentence, dd doesn't understand her homework!

[rcit]

and neither do I!

Cassia et Claudia filiae feminarum sunt.

If you can say why that would help dd also!
Thanks for help

[TonTonMacoute]

God, I really wish we could Like posts on Mumsnet. treaclesodas post just made me laugh out loud.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I think you are right Gaspode. But I think it's especially true in languages where word meaning change using affixes rather than word order or adding extra words.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

I can't understand how you could read anything more complicated than Caecilius est in horto without encountering the dative and genitive! However, it's over 40 years since I started studying Latin and as I ended up doing a Classics degree I really can't remember the order in which grammatical topics were introduced. My school used Ecce Romani.

I remember my (wonderful) Classics teacher being a bit sniffy about the Cambridge Latin Course because she said grammar rules were not taught from the start. I agree with her that learning grammar rules is absolutely fundamental to language learning. (Disclaimer: I'm not a teacher so maybe I'm living in cloud cuckoo land, but my daughter's much more recent experience of learning Latin and Greek was similar to mine and my husband's.)

We learn the grammar rules for our native language(s) from being immersed in the language as tots, and we don't even know we're doing it. Learning a language later on you need to learn the rules separately. Otherwise all you can do is trot out a series of phrases you've learned parrot fashion with no idea why they mean what they do. If you learn grammar and vocabulary you can put the words together in a way that makes sense and you can translate text/speech.

[Fluffysparks]

Blimey shows a lot has changed from my day then! We were taught all the declensions together, but no dative until second year in and genitive until at least third or fourth, would have thought it would have at least roughly stayed the same. And yes, some first class MNing Treacle

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

IME the trick is to keep on top of learning and recognising the endings. If she can do that, then it should fall into place.

If you only have half a grasp of them then it can be quite difficult to muddle through especially when the sentences get longer or you move away from prose.

[rcit]

Only Y7 fluffy and Latin only done since Sept. No idea re textbook either. Moderate ability child across the board.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

Can't find my copy of OLC, but I'm fairly sure you are right about it being in the first book quite early on. It uses 'complement, to analyse sentences from the first couple of chapters to.

Latin for common entrance introduces all 6 cases in the first 2-3 chapters. It's probably similar to what you covered in yr 6 stella.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

I want to second the fact that Google Translate is absolutely rubbish with Latin. It has a go at finding the right words, and doesn't do that reliably, but has no clue about the grammar, so nouns and adjectives don't agree as to number or case and the verbs are very hit and miss indeed.

I've no idea if it's any better with any other language, but I doubt it. You really need to learn a language properly to be able to translate it accurately.

[treaclesoda]

I think that questioning the veracity of a post which is looking for advice on a Latin homework must surely be peak Mumsnet.

[itssquidstella]

Depends on the course book! Pretty sure Oxford Latin Course brings in the genitive early on. CLC, which many schools use, introduces the genitive in stage 16; I'll be doing it with Y8 before Christmas.

When I taught in a prep school, they covered all cases of the first and second declension in Y6.

[Fluffysparks]

Really OP? There’s a genitive case in that, which isn’t normally introduced until Y9 at a minimum...

[itssquidstella]

Yes, Cassia et Claudia is the subject and filiae is the complement. The verb to be can only take a nominative complement (excluding things like predicative day Ines, which are on the A level syllabus, or accusative + infinitive which is normally introduced in Y10).

[Fekko]

Oh oh I knew the answer! DSs homework must be rubbing off on me!

[rcit]

Y7

[YesThisIsMe]

Google translate is not brilliant with Latin

[YesThisIsMe]

I did Latin in the 1980s when you had to struggle by with the absolute minimum of grammar regardless of the language, and I’ve since forgotten the little I did know, but surely you don’t need to talk about complements and apposites to explain why filiae is nominative? They’re the subject of the sentence?

[BareBum]

Or rather, Google Translate, with the words having been entered, got it wrong.

[BareBum]

Google translate is not to be trusted.

[Andrewofgg]

treaclesoda I loved Latin at school fifty-odd years ago and still do. And Greek, which is easier for English speakers than Latin.

[user1485166754]

Why not just use google translate

[Fluffysparks]

What year is your daughter in? (Just out of interest from remembering my Latin GCSE ).

[rcit]

And the others which we just read

[rcit]

OK, wonderful thank you so much
We get it now, with thanks to Ollie the dog

[qwerty1972]

From what I remember (from a long time ago) when we are told what something is in Latin, the new noun takes the nominative and is called the complement.

Just looked it up 'The nominative is used rather than the accusative because the verb 'to be' is telling us more about the same person rather than describing something done to someone else.' (Latin to GCSE)

[treaclesoda]

This makes me want to appreciate my Latin classes more than I did at the time.

Why are things that bored me at school so much more interesting now?