Wandsworth Test Results

[gazzalw]

DS got 95% in his WT today - we are very proud of him but gather this won't be enough to get him a place at Graveney ....

[gazzalw]

Wow awesome!

[sgray]

Thats great news. We are off to graveney and my son is so happy that his best friend is going too. he did get 100% in wt !!!!

[gazzalw]

Hi SGray, DS got one of his grammar options and is very high on waiting list for another one. So despite speculation etc... Graveney is off our radar until DD gets to that age! Thank you for your support and for asking.

Have to say we have been feeling a bit all over the place since getting the result. With having had to consider that all and none of the options were a possibility it comes as a bit of a shock to get an actual result and then close on its tails a 'there's a distinct possibility' type of email from one of the options...

Know one DD who has a coveted place at Graveney but no others! Any other good news!

[sgray]

ok so how did you all get on!!!!

[gazzalw]

Heyho...yes, why can't they tell us on the 29th! One Mumsnetter (who obviously works in a London secondary school) says the schools already know the list of children offered places so how come we have to wait another week????

Hey ho....Poor you although if the system does crash then you will not be missing anything...can you get reception on your mobile/IPhone/Blackberry or whatever gizmo whilst you are commuting home???

By the way did anyone see the threads from last year or possibly 2010 Offers Day when one of the Councils' results were viewable through the 'print' window in advance of the official deadline.

I would strongly urge everyone to check this out next Wednesday just in case there are any such 'happy' oversights!

[geraldine62]

I've just done a search and the only information I can find online is on the pdf of the "choose a secondary school form". It says that you will be sent an email with the outcome of the application. Nothing about texts, although I distinctly remember signing up to a text notification now you mention it.

I'll be travelling home from work at that time - my poor dd will be on tenterhooks until I get home at 7 - I'd much rather they put it back to the 2nd March and released them at 9...

And we have the extra day on the 29th to get through! I'm getting really twitchy now having been calm throughout most of this.

Yes there were problems with the website last year I remember from friends going through it.

[gazzalw]

Oh I am also wondering whether several people can attempt to log-in to one child's account simultaneously - Mum, Dad and child concerned being the obvious ones! Maybe that's why the system crashed????

[gazzalw]

I have heard (and I've been through this before so I stand to be corrected if necessary) that you either get texted (if you signed up to that) to tell you the site is 'open' or possibly a notification email (telling you the same thing) to then check the result(s) online. If you completed a paper application you won't find out until the mail is delivered by the postman!!!!!

Yes, it is cruel and I'm getting a sense that it might depend where you are in the Country. One poster suggested that they find out at 9.00 am (but that wasn't in London I'm fairly sure). The London Borough websites seem particularly lacking in information, don't they?

All I know is that apparently the Pan-London system crashed last year leaving loads of parents/children tearing their hair out and drinking copious amounts of (well not the children but....) :-)

Yikes, six days now.......

[geraldine62]

Thanks gazzalw - how cruel is that! I'm sure last time I went through this they were released at 9am. Do we get an email then or what, do you know?

[gazzalw]

Heard it's five pm

[geraldine62]

Does anyone know what time the results come in on Thursday? I was told afternoon but can't find any info on the Wandsworth website.

[yotty]

Try looking at this. www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewforum.php?f=19
Hope I don't confuse you further.

[OhDearConfused]

yotty I searched for 11+ forum website and found a whole bunch of different 11+ sites; which one did you have in mind?

Thanks

[gazzalw]

Tiredofexams is it DD's first choice because I think that will be ultimately what makes the difference.....

[Tiredofexams]

I agree, we so desperately want an idea of what to expect... DD got a 272 so I am none the wiser!

[sgray]

I must apologise if i have confused people!!!! I now have no idea whats going on so am just waiting until march 1st!
I also spoke to our head teacher and he said Graveney have in the past accepted those scoring about 276 or above on their 1st intake but can get a place on 2nd intake with about 269.
I dont suppose we will understand this any more when offers are made but its fun chatting with you all.

[yotty]

Don'tlive in Wandsworth, so may be completely wrong, but I am assuming you are adding 2 scores together, ie. max score is 141 each. But these scores are not raw scores they are standardised scores. If you look on the Kent 11+ website you will see you actually only need to score say 70% in a test to get a standardised score of 140, depending on age of candidate. Hope I am not confusing you further. I would ask your child's head teacher what exactly the information you have been given means.

[yotty]

Try going on the Kent section of the 11+ forum website. There is thread there that talks about scores for getting into the Kent grammar schools. It might help put things in perspective and also talks about adjusting for age.

[OhDearConfused]

Thanks.

So then out of a total score of 282, 276 is 97.8% and 269 is 95.3%, so the discussion above - if you are right - about the oft-quoted percentage of 98% being not a score in the test but a "percentile" seems then to have been a red-herring......

But then how do they adjust for birthdates??

[Tiredofexams]

Hi, new to this thread. if you look at the raw scores of your WT we were told Graveney generally offers to pupils who get (approximately mind you as it changes of course from year to year) over about 276 in their test result for the selective places. Then after some people choose independent schools etc. more offers go out from their waiting list and usually those finally accepted for selective places will have scores of around 269/270 and above. That is of course a generalization and will vary from year to year but may help put you in the picture of whether you are likely to get a first round offer or not.

[OhDearConfused]

Oh dear I'm even more confused.

A bell curve only bunches in the middle because most people get an average mark. So if you are saying that the majority are getting close to the 50th percentile and its a bell curve then that means the ends of the curve (to the right) are people who score 98, 99 and 100% - but that was what was rejected in the discussion above. So I don't think its a bell curve thing that's going on.

However, I now see an arithmetical / assumption error in my calculation in my last post. I assumed that everyone who took the WT would want to go to Graveneney (and that there were 63 people in the top 3% of the cohort - the 98, 99, 100 percentiles), but that is clearly not correct. There are many more people in the than just 63 - some will not have applied at all to GS and others would have had other higher preferences (grammars, indies, or even other comps).

Perhaps that's it.

[gazzalw]

Funnily enough Yotty I was going to use the bell curve analogy but felt that I might get shot down - you explained it very well!

[yotty]

Ohdearconfused- I'm no mathematician, but you need to think of the percentile graph as a bell curve. Very similar to the way they work out what percentile your baby is when you have him weighed. In other words the vast majority of scores will lie close to the 50th percentile, with the a very few at the bottom and at the top. A child could score say 75% in a test and be in the 99th percentile because no one else scored more than 75%. Or they could be only in the 50th percentile if loads scored 75%. So, without knowing what all the other children scored you can't work out what percentile your child will be in. Hope that helps.

[gazzalw]

I am confused too... I did guess that it would be more than 2100 taking the test but when I suggested that to someone I was disbelieved....! Not at all sure really!

I think we will just have to sit tight and wait and see??? Remember we are talking the top 63 for whom presumably it's their first choice???? That won't be the top 63 in the Borough necessarily anyway.

DS's friend who scored 99.3% has it as her second choice so she won't be included in the top 63 if she gets her first choice..... Likewise many others presumably.....

[OhDearConfused]

So if the WT entry for Graveney is on percentiles, what percentage range (I know it depends on birthdate) of correct scores do you need to get to get to 98%?

And if 63 DCs get in by being 98%-ile or above (ie 98, 99, and 100), that's 3% of the total number of test takers meaning - grossing up - that there are 2100 takers of the WT. However, I would have thought there were many, many more than that since every year 6 child in Wandsworth takes the test plus all the out-of-boroughers wanting to get in on selection. How does that reconcile?