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Silent treatment

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Sixeight · 09/10/2020 22:34

So, dh hasn’t spoken more than the bare minimum to me for 2 days now. It is because we’ve not dtd more than once in the last 4 weeks. Yesterday he was so cross about it that he broke a drawer of mine (I have no idea how, as I was avoiding him at the time. But the front panel was literally ripped from its fixings) To give him credit, he did mend it, but not without tipping the entire contents out over the carpet in a rage (I sneaked up and put it all in a plastic bag for now).

Since dc were born, I’ve had v.low libido and to keep the peace, I agreed on dtd 3x per week. The last few months or so, though, I’ve just not been able to do this and dh is getting v.pissed off. When I say no, he turns onto his back and wanks next to me in bed.

I know Iabu in withholding sex. That’s not how marriages should be, I know.

But there are many reasons for this, which are too involved to go into now. I really need to get some counselling to come to terms with dealing with it. (All of his sexual behaviourL I.e dry humping, lying on me in the middle of the night and thrusting a hard on, grabbing hold when i”m bent over the dishwasher etc ..) All this I perceived as negative but it was ‘just a phase’. But, cumulatively its now really affecting me)

I did try - prior to lockdown I tried to get nhs cbt but they said my anxiety was justified so couldn’t help. I contacted relate, but they have no appointments available during school hours. Out of school hours, I’d have to ask dh to babysit which would inevitably cause problems as he really can’t cope with his asc son, and so dd (only 13)would have to step in to take the fallout (dh getting cross, not physical).. plus, he’d want to know where I’d been.

Anyway, after all that waffle. I’ve not wanted to dtd for well over 4 weeks. Dh has given me the silent treatment for the last 48 hours as a result. I’m about to go and have a bath, then lay back and think of England just to keep the peace.

Aibu?

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goody2shooz · 26/10/2020 18:13

I’m so sorry your life is like this. I’m even more sorry for your children living with a father like theirs. Would you be happy for your daughter in a marriage like this, living like you? With a sulky, angry man who slams around, ignores them, throws things - (not to mention his sexual behaviour), because this is their ‘normal’....it’s got YOU on anti depressants for your panic attacks and seeking therapy, what do you think all this is doing for their mental health? Your children are not unaware of the menace and unhappiness that surrounds them. Will this be their future too? Must all of you be sacrificed on his altar? Why?

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Sixeight · 26/10/2020 17:26

Well, I’m glad I’m on medication as he’s in a huff again today. After a couple of weeks of not trying it on, mainly as I went to bed really early, I was reading with a book light on last night when he came to bed. The invitation was ‘do you want to join me and my willy?’ 😩🤢

I did say no, he got annoyed and asked if I still loved him, to which I said love and sex aren’t the same. I told him I can’t at the moment as I’m getting panic attacks over it. To give him credit, he did ask if there was anything he could do to help. But then he just started watching a film on his phone. No asking if I was ok, why it was happening, if I’d seen a doctor, offers not to expect anything till I felt better etc.

He hardly slept at all, he kept getting up and going downstairs, watching films etc.

He’s hardly said a word to me today, or to the kids. But, the medication means I’m not panicking about it. The kids and I had a quiet morning and lunch, then went out to a national trust place to feed the ducks this afternoon.

I know this paints him as a terrible person, but he really isn’t. I need to find a counsellor to mediate between us. Or, maybe write a letter like @ExhaustedFlamingo suggested.

@ilikemethewayiam, I saw two doctors about this about 10 years ago, after the silent treatments that made me agree to the 3 day a week thing. One said that it was part of being married and I should get on with it. The other said that the 3 day a week thing wasn’t how it should work, but I said I felt I needed to do it as I wanted to stay married.

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ExhaustedFlamingo · 26/10/2020 00:30

Hey OP, I would genuinely write him a letter. This gives you time to set it out logically and in a way he’ll process. Sure he’ll be grumpy but with a written letter/email/message he will be able to re-read it and hopefully absorb more. With a verbal conversation, it’s easy to focus on just part. If he is ASC he may well have a different approach to processing verbal information so again, having it written down may provide him with more time to process the full message.

I think it’s a long shot though; whatever you do he won’t be happy.

Also, don’t beat yourself up about not raising the subject. It’s hard to break old habits and when you know there will be a hostile response, it’s even harder to face. You don’t see how far you’ve come already ❤️

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ilikemethewayiam · 25/10/2020 09:41

I’m sorry to say OP but my Ex was exactly the same. He gave me the silent treatment for days for not giving him his ‘entitlement’. He said late in the marriage, a wife is a prostitute paid for in a different form. He paid the bills therefore it was my duty to give him sex on demand. I ended up depressed and on medication. I organised relate counselling and it was a disaster. He got the counsellor on his side and she ended up agreeing that a ‘schedule’ of sex was a good compromise to ‘keep him happy’. Oh and giving up my one and only love in life (my horses) as I was using it as an escape from working on my marriage! Admittedly this was about 25 years ago and I hope their policies have changed but my experience tells me it will not do any good in your situation. Abusers are very good at deflecting any blame and getting the counsellors on their side. The bottom line is, does he want to change? Will it benefit him to change? He would have to give up his demands and entitlements which abusers are rather attached to. The marriage would need to be more important to him than his needs. I came away from counselling more abused than before went , and he grew more inflated and entitled. It ended with him having many OW’s despite my submitting to more sex. I left and now regret going down that path at all. He was an abuser. Nothing was going to change that, I should have left at the first sign of sulking which would have been very early on in the relationship. Please don’t expect counsellors to ‘put him straight’ they won’t. I get that you want to try and you must do what you feel you need to. Just don’t pin your hopes on it and ask yourself what you will do it nothing changes afterwards.

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PerseverancePays · 25/10/2020 00:44

I think you are amazing! You have posted, you have read, you have responded and posted more, you have expanded your knowledge even though it was painful, you have taken action. I am in awe. I’m glad you are going forward at your own pace and these clever mns are here to cheer you on and point out where to get help. The internet was made for this.

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OwlOne · 24/10/2020 23:50

I don't believe he will ever acknowledge that he has behaved badly.
And needing him to 'get it' will keep you stuck (needing his approval, to leave) or needing his understanding.

Instead, understand that the goal for you now is to sit with the discomfort of knowing he thinks you're selfish, crazy, cold hearted blah blah blah blah BLAH. Just accept that he hates you and don't try to change it or defend yourself or justify yourself. Just sit with that excruciating discomfort. And it will be excruciating, to begin with. And then it will fade a bit. And then you will have detached from the tyranny of caring what he thinks.

GOOD LUCK xxxx

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Sixeight · 24/10/2020 22:39

As time goes on, I am realising that I am just as much to blame for not saying anything, especially after the behaviour that started this thread.

Initially, I wasn’t in a good place to talk about it (panic attacks) but even after the medication has calmed them down I’ve still not said anything about it, I’ve just gone to bed at the same time as the children and pretended to be asleep when he comes to bed :(

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Sixeight · 24/10/2020 22:35

So, it’s been a fortnight since this all started. I’ve spoken to women’s aid and a counsellor who both reiterated what the majority of you were saying about my situation. I’ve taken about 10 days of beta blockers and sertraline and have a clearer head.

I want to find a counsellor who will explain to dh what has gone so awfully wrong. But relate don’t have any appointments in school hours and there don’t appear to be any counsellors local to me that can offer this sort of counselling privately, according to bacp website.

If I try and explain it myself to dh, I know I will end up either getting sulked at (ie he will legitimately be really upset), or he will quickly talk so much logic about it being my fault that I will end up in the wrong.

How do I find a third party to mediate this?

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category12 · 14/10/2020 11:09

Yes, they're very similar, sadly. This one does break drawers and slam around.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 14/10/2020 10:14

Category12 you are quite right! As was the breaking things. Two very similar men I must say!

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category12 · 14/10/2020 10:04

I think the anal was a different thread.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 14/10/2020 09:55

Every abusive man has an excuse a good reason. Appalling childhoods. Personality disorders. Severe depression. In this case ASD.

But is that the point? Surely it's what's actually happening rather than what the reason is?

How about you decide what is unacceptable and you stick to it. You tell him and you don't back down - then see how that plays out. Don't feel guilty or sorry for him or allow yourself to get pressured. Then if he won't accept it you know. Start with

  • no anal. Ever ever again. I do not want to discuss it.
  • no sex schedule. I do not want sex with you until we have a normal relationship and I don't want to hear about it.
  • you need to look after YOUR OWN children for a period of time without me. Having problems when I am on a work call is unacceptable.

Add extra things.

But you know what? This man just reeks of manipulative abuse. The timing of it all. The ways it plays out. The games. Breaking the drawer. Waiting for you to be on a zoom call then ruining it for you. Making sure you are at all times on the back foot with the silent treatment. The anal (a classic power play). The pestering for sex. Ick.

Sure he's nice at times. AS LONG AS YOU ARE USEFUL. Why don't you try having some boundaries and see how long he's nice for? Unless you want your SSRIs/beta blockers to just allow you to accept more abuse.
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category12 · 14/10/2020 09:55

Bluethistles, I think op explained herself pretty clearly in her last post. She only posted the thread five days ago, believing she was the one in the wrong for "withholding" sex, I think she's had quite a shock overall.

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BlueThistles · 14/10/2020 09:37

ok so... is OP being medicated to cope with her DH's abuse ? or am I misinterpreting this ? 🌺

no offence but can someone explain because Im genuinely lost.

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category12 · 14/10/2020 09:24

I know all this must be A Lot. Flowers

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Sixeight · 14/10/2020 09:01

Asc isn’t just meltdowns, it can be shutdowns too. It’s not an excuse but it could be a contributing factor.

@ExhaustedFlamingo thank you for your post, it makes a lot of sense.

The doctor has given me medication, so that hopefully the panic attacks will stop and I can think things through and see where I am from a more level headed perspective. I’m not taking them to be able to tolerate the situation, I actually think I’ve finally got to a point where I can’t. I need to get my head clear to be able to start communicating with dh.

I’ve got an appointment with a counsellor (alone) in a couple of days time.

Thank you to everyone for their contributions, this has been a big eye opener. However as my head is spinning with it all (and also because this thread is getting replies that are muddling me up with another thread running at the same time), I’m going to take a step back from this thread and see how things pan out over the next few days/week.

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differentnameforthis · 14/10/2020 08:53

@ExhaustedFlamingo, no... let's not do that.

Op isn't describing meltdowns, or ASD related behaviour, she is describing abuse.

We need to stop giving men like this excuses.

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category12 · 14/10/2020 07:31

I don't think ASD explains or justifies his emotionally abusive behaviour. I don't think op is describing ASD meltdowns?

And we learn as children that strops, tantrums and sulking are bad behaviour. It stinks of entitlement - I don't think this guy ever apologises for what he does? He might think he's right, but even so, even if he was, the behaviour he displays shames him and he should be apologising and trying to stop.

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ExhaustedFlamingo · 14/10/2020 06:12

This will probably be a wildly unpopular thing to say, but there's a good chance that his ASD is playing a part in his behaviour. ASD can mean lack of insight, difficulty managing emotions, inability to instinctively know that some behaviours are wrong. Black and white thinking. Difficulty seeing the other person's perspective. Difficulty communicating.

From what you've said, I could see how ASD could exacerbate what's been going on.

But, also, here's the thing - it's possible to have ASD and still be a shitty person. It's possible that the ASD traits are amplifying the fact that's he's pretty unpleasant. Not everyone who has ASD is a saint whose immaculate behaviour is thwarted by their neurological difficulties. Some people with ASD are just fucking arseholes, and the ASD stuff is a convenient excuse to hang it on.

Waiting until you've got it all in your head to discuss it makes sense. I wonder whether it would be helpful for you to write it down in a form that you could give to him? This would give him the opportunity to go back over what you've said and take it in properly.

I also think you're in this trap of believing that what's going on isn't "bad enough". When there are good times, when you're not being beaten up or constantly facing nasty comments and put-downs, it's easy to think that because you "don't have it as bad" as some of the other horror stories you will have read, that you need to put up with it. That you're just being sensitive. That it's your fault for causing it.

If you aren't happy, that's "enough". You don't need any other reason to call time on the relationship. Doesn't matter if he is the most saintly man in the world - if you are not feeling happy and relaxed in your own home, then it's perfectly fine to say "I'm not feeling OK about this".

You haven't expressed any loving feelings towards him in this thread. Your concerns about splitting seem to be based on your children. I have two ASD children, twins. My son has a lot more difficulties and was diagnosed many years ago. My daughter was only diagnosed a few months ago - they're 10 yrs old so her difficulties are suddenly becoming more apparent. However, she has spent many years taking care of her brother - in nursery, schools etc - and making sacrifices. And that's heartbreaking to see. So I totally understand where you're coming from with all of that, and why you'd have such concerns about not just your DS but the impact on your DD. My son wouldn't cope away from me for a weekend and this would be a dealbreaker for me. But would your DH actually want them for the weekend? He can't manage to get your son in a bath, for example. How's he going to take care of them? Your DC are at an age now where their views would be taken into account for contact and visits (I believe). Maybe start including in your diary all the times that you've had to step in/carry out tasks for your DC as your DH wasn't able.

Another really controversial view: maybe you decide to stay until your DC are older. It's shit and you shouldn't have to consider this as an option, but if your DS and DD would be so affected by being without you and your DH would want overnight custody - maybe the answer is that you stay until they are 15/16 - which if I've understood correctly is only a couple of years away? That really depends on your mental health, and whether you feel able to stand up to him during that time and whether he will accept your refusal to have sex if you don't want it. Unfortunately I know a few SEN families where the relationship has broken down but due to the needs of the children, the parents are just hanging on until the children are older and don't need so much support before they split. It's a shit situation but having a child with additional needs sometimes means there's not much other choice. Equally, I know some SEN families where the parents have split and it's actually worked out totally fine. SEN puts an enormous toll on even the healthiest relationship and means you are in full-on carer mode for much longer than you anticipated.

I'm also going to say this loud and clear - you are not unreasonable or at fault in any way for refusing to have sex. Yes, there are threads here where women talk about feel hurt and rejected if their partner doesn't want sex. And your DH probably feels the same way. And that's a shame. But a decent partner will seek out solutions and communicate, not suggest some batshit crazy sex schedule three times a week. Your DH is free to leave you if he doesn't feel happy. We are each responsible for our own happiness - it's not up to you to engage in acts which you dread just to keep him feeling happy.

Personally OP, I think you should investigate how to leave him. Your children will be struggling in an atmosphere where he's moody and passive aggressive. You've probably noticed your DS getting anxious when your DH is slamming stuff around. You'll breathe easier. Life will be more relaxed for you all. You won't be scared to go to bed. You won't have to creep upstairs to pick stuff up without antagonising him. But I understand the custody of the DC is a concern. I wonder, would a free consultation with a solicitor help with this at all?

I hope you find a way forward. Sending love x

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 14/10/2020 00:54

I'm afraid you have come full circle somewhat - wanting to get medication just to cope with being with this man. Medication the GP was reluctant to give you because that would be enabling you to stay in an abusive relationship.

This isn't his ASD. This is control. The anal, the rape, the breaking things, the making sure you can't do anything uninterrupted. It's all about power. It's so classic, and so typical and so obvious. He's dangerous. Not misguided. Not unknowing. Dangerous and abusive.

You're right. He will turn nasty. You need professional help and you may need to try and get grounds for reduced contact/contact through a contact centre. He will destroy your mental health (even more - panic attacks, wtf??) and he will destroy the mental health of your children.

If he has them on his own there's no audience so although there will be games to control you they won't happen as much (as youre not there to interrupt) but he will also lose interest in having them and if you have concerns you can involve social services.

Stay and you will ruin their childhoods. And your life.

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Sixeight · 13/10/2020 13:28

Thank you, @username501 .

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username501 · 13/10/2020 11:44

OP I think people are being a little hard on you and you're doing really well given what a shock this all is. I hope the GP appointment goes well and think that counselling would really help. Well done for phoning the DV organisation.

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Cosyjimjamsforautumn · 13/10/2020 10:54

He sounds utterly vile and abusive. What do you get out of living with such an abusive man? How does he make you feel?

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HartnellAvenue · 13/10/2020 10:28

I doubt your H intentionally set out to abuse you. He just wants what he wants (not necessarily sex) , and he's going to get it by whatever means necessary, whether that's by sulking, shouting, chucking stuff around. He wants you to fall in line and he will do what he has to to make that happen.

Like a PP said about the humping. That was a tool he used to get what he wanted, and he doesn't do it now because he doesn't need to. If you stop keeping to the sex schedule don't be surprised if those behaviours come back - after all they worked before.

He might be really calculated and doing it all on purpose or he might be a monumentally selfish individual who wants to get his own way and has a toolbox of abusive behaviours to achieve it. Or both

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differentnameforthis · 13/10/2020 10:06

Oh op... I have just deleted a huge response to you, because although I think you are making the right noises, I think you are also happy to downplay this, and my words will fall by the wayside.

That's OK! This is hard... where you have to make peace that it IS abuse you are suffering and DO something about it. Because yes, he CAN help it, otherwise he would be abusing everyone.

Remember - It doesn't have to be physical to be violent - although the sexual coercion is obviously physical (and violent) because he has you believing that your body has to be used to pacify his needs.

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