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Being made to choose:- wife v son

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Scoot67 · 22/04/2018 18:51

Apologies if this the wrong dept or if I don’t know the correct abbreviations, it’s my first post...need some perspective on this please. My wife & I have been married 5 years (my 2nd marriage, her third) I have a son of 24, she has no children. I am 51 she is 44.
Last summer we pooled our resources & bought the “box ticking dream house” in the country...the idyllic relax/escape. All good so I thought.
Approx 7 weeks ago my son’s relationship with his partner broke down (they had been together 3 years & have twin boys 14months)
My son sofa surfed for awhile, but then had no option, but to ask for my/our help. He contacted me approx 1/2hr before I finished work and said I really have to come to your place to stay. Naturally being Dad, I said yes. My wife was not impressed (understatement!) My son was obviously a bit emotionally battered from his relationship breakdown, but has been very respectful/courteous of our space. He has his own transport, has recently started a new well paid job & helps out with his son’s at his ex’s house & occasionally at our house.
My “crime” was that I did not discuss this change in lifestyle with my wife. I genuinely would have done, had I had time too...it happened quickly. Given different circumstances I would have asked for her decision on this move.
My son is adamant he wants to find his own place to rent, just needs to get some cash put aside first.
My wife’s reaction to this “enjoy your lad’s pad...I cannot live with you both here...I’m off !”
She has moved in with a friend, nearly one month now. She is being quite forthright in not coming home until my son moves out !
It’s her birthday today...I offered to take her out for a meal...she refused.
HELP ME OUT HERE PEOPLE !!

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LiteraryDevil · 09/05/2018 21:20

Did this get resolved OP?

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Footle · 29/04/2018 11:30

Off topic , but @backsackcraic why do you assume a nursery manager is unaware of the laws affecting her occupation?

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RespoDad · 29/04/2018 08:05

Hiya 👋

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Walkaboutwendy · 29/04/2018 07:38

I think you are minimising your son's behaviour. There could very well be things you have not seen therefore you cannot say with 100% certainty that he hasn't been aggressive towards your wife.

I agree with pps I think this is over and I hope you both find an amicable way to split your assets.

Has your son even acknowledged yet that he has had a role to play in the breakdown if your marriage or does he still not care? If it's the latter is be very disappointed in my child to lack such empathy or understanding. Being 24 is no excuse.

Perhaps the counsellor suggesting you wear smarter clothes is actually to get you to see you need to be an adult not his mate. But you dismissed that out of hand because you've done nothing wrong in how you parent your adult child apparently Hmm

There is an ongoing whiff of being a martyr to your posts that I think is the death knell for your marriage.

Find a way for you to both separate amicably and fairly and move on with your lives.

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RainySeptember · 29/04/2018 05:00

Op, you acknowledge that you made a mistake by not asking her before your ds moved in, and have said many times that you apologised and held your hands up to that mistake.

Beyond that, I don't know what you could have done differently. Your son must be your priority and my dc will always have a home with me while they need it or in times of crisis.

You say that your ds was respectful while he was in your home, that your wife is exaggerating his behaviour, and who are we to say you're lying? I'll take her 'lads pad' comment with a pinch of salt given that she got worked up by a gilet on the back of a chair. He slammed a door, so what?

You also say he now has a flat to go to, so he will have been with you, what, 8 weeks or so? I don't think that's unreasonable given his marriage broke down, with all of the financial and emotional upheaval that creates.

I don't think your ds sounds like an angel. It sounds like his marriage broke down due to an irregular working pattern and subsequent financial hardship. His dw needed him to step up but he didn't. I totally get why your dw would rather he wasn't in your home. But tough luck, because he's your son, and taking him in is what good parents do.

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stayanotherday · 29/04/2018 00:05

This sounds irreparable.

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pinkyredrose · 28/04/2018 22:27

Why did you have your grandchild, surely it was your sons time to have access to his DC?

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ohgiveiv · 28/04/2018 21:22

Yy @Idontdowindows.

I couldn't believe I was reading Mumsnet at first - the way people turned on this woman is unbelievable, calling her every name under the sun and painting her as vindictively evil and selfish.

And why? Because she had the temerity to have had previous relationships (which we know nothing about) and because she didn't want to put up with a "lads pad" - which it turns out is her home being dominated by a bad-tempered aggressive young man and his dad who enables him.

OP, the way you write screams of someone who is very good at manipulating people and pretending to be a Nice Guy while exclaiming all the time about how hard done by you are. "What, me???!!! Little old me?! Nooo."

I hope she escapes and that in training to be a counsellor she works out how to avoid a relationship like this again.

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k567 · 28/04/2018 21:19

Scoot it seems you can't win. Nothing wrong with having your grandchildren over. She won't ever be happy. Enjoy your family.

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Idontdowindows · 28/04/2018 21:05

Do you think all men use the terms “dumb” “bitch” “bloody women”....

You've done nothing but denigrate your wife in this whole thread. Called her an overdramatic stepmum, have minimised her concerns while holding a hand over your "hotheaded" son's head, who refers to women as "bloody women" (wonder where he gets that eh?), dismissed the fact that she said she felt unsafe.

You came her to be validated, by women, because that makes you able to thumb your nose at your wife again: "see, all these women agree with me, you're the overdramatic bloody woman with your silly concerns and invalid fears!"

I hope she cuts you loose and goes her own way. You're not an enhancement of her life. I hope you and your son are very happy together.

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Scoot67 · 28/04/2018 20:55

@idontdowindows
Thanks for your valuable insight & evaluation of my character traits !!
I wouldn’t be so derogatory as you use such detrimental terminology towards my wife. Do you think all men use the terms “dumb” “bitch” “bloody women”....
Interesting that you can’t allow me to perceive what I saw/heard as justifiable observation...just because I own a penis !!

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Scoot67 · 28/04/2018 20:47

No, she turned Up unannounced (which she is allowed to do, it’s her house !) She wouldn’t even acknowledge the grandchild....

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MadeForThis · 28/04/2018 20:45

I think this all comes down to the relationship between your wife and son when you all first lived together.

If you all got along great then your wife is being unreasonable now. If they had serious issues and you brought him back home without speaking to your wife then the problem lies with you.

It sounds like your wife's issues with your son stem from when you lived together before.

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Doofenschmirtz · 28/04/2018 19:56

My wife visited the home today, whilst I was looking after one of my grandchildren. She expressed disgust that her house had become a weekend crèche. She quite vocally “fires off” at me (whilst I was holding a baby) “you need to choose, you cannot be involved with your son/grandchildren & repair your failing marriage at the same time !”

Was the visit arranged as an opportunity for the two of you to talk about your marriage? If so, I can see why she would have been annoyed at seeing you with the grandchildren instead. She would have been expecting you to make the talk your priority.

If she just turned up with no warning, then it sounds like a very odd thing for her to say.

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TinyPawz · 28/04/2018 19:43

Personally I'd cut her loose. Your children will always or rather should always come first.

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Chinesecrested · 28/04/2018 19:30

So hard for you. It almost sounds as though your wife was looking for an excuse to leave! My adult son is a 40 year old Jack the Lad, sometimes working, sometimes not. Currently living at our house (my OH is not his father). Not paying rent and always short of money. He's been here for 6 months but my partner doesn't mind. He just says we can't see him on the streets. That's the way your wife should behaving especially as your son doesn't seem to be causing any trouble. What would happen if he leaves? Would she come back? Maybe, maybe not - you need to talk to her!

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Idontdowindows · 28/04/2018 19:25

I felt my wife over exaggerated my son’s behaviour during the session, to the extent the mediator suggested perhaps she should inform the police of his behaviour. I can categorically assure you, my son has never acted in an antagonistic manner towards my wife

And there you go. Your wife explains what her problem is, you go "nah, dumb bitch is lying, always the drama stepmom. Bloody women."

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paranoidpammywhammy2 · 28/04/2018 19:19

If you are sure your son has done nothing wrong then you should divorce her. Your son and grandchildren should be your priority.

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Scoot67 · 28/04/2018 18:59

@paranoidpammywhammy2
A culmination of things. Lack of regular income coming through the door. Living a too extravagant life style, fatigue of juggling two babies etc etc...Two 24year olds with twins in rented accommodation is going to produce many relationship issues.

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Scoot67 · 28/04/2018 18:55

@summerinthecountry
No he hasn’t hurt her.
Prior to this situation he had confided in her on numerous occasions about his relationship issues. I don’t feel I am dismissing her....I am genuinely trying to build some bridges here ! I seem to be having to wear a lot of different “hats”...husband, dad, grandpa...plus trying to spin a lot of plates at the same time !!

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summerinthecountry · 28/04/2018 18:42

Did your son hurt your wife? You need to be absolutely sure.
It would explain her extreme reaction of moving out to a friend for so long. You need to stop instantly dismissing her and start listening.

If it is categorically untrue then it is difficult to see how you can stay together.

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Haffdonga · 28/04/2018 18:41

Agree with PPs. Either you are minimising your ds's antisocial behaviour or your dw is exaggerating it. Probably both. If the mediator suggested police then there's obviously more to it than your son being a little hot-headed.

I don't like your repeated references to your W being sexually unconfident {what the fuck has that got to do with the price of fish? Confused ).

Nor do I like her behaviour when you are with your dgcs.

The whole thing sounds like a toxic mess. I think I'd look at divorce.

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paranoidpammywhammy2 · 28/04/2018 18:30

Have you asked your son's ex partner why they split up? What if she tells you an identical story?

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paranoidpammywhammy2 · 28/04/2018 18:28

I can see divorce as the only option.

If what your wife says is true about your son's behaviour (which you may not have witnessed) - then you are totally dismissing her concerns and her only option is divorce.

If she is not telling the truth then you need to divorce her.

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OliviaStabler · 28/04/2018 18:22

I feel I should not be put in a position of making a choice.

Maybe she feels you already have made that choice? We have established you moved him in with no consultation when there was no emergency need for him to move in so quickly.

At mediation, my interpretation is that you are dismissing her feelings about your son's behaviour rather than trying to see her point of view. and genuinely counter her points if they are unfair Maybe that comes across to her as if your son can do no wrong in your eyes?

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