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WTF is he drinking again? He's been to rehab. Not again

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Fleamog · 19/09/2015 23:23

My DH was/is an alcoholic.We went through a terrible time a few years ago. I fought and fought to get him to rehab, planning to divorce him as he had changed so much through his drinking. So he went to rehab and a kind of miracle happened - when he had been dried out and had their therapy for a few months he turned back into the husband I had had for nearly 30 years. It was a fab time, 2nd honeymoon etc etc.This lasted a couple of years. We were happy again, so why the hell did he start secretly drinking again? Nearly 4 years later I know he is once again secretly drinking neat vodka at weekends. He doesn't know that I know. And I don't know what to do about it. Its been going on for a year or bit more. I have kept it to myself not knowing what to do about it. I am such a coward. Help - what should I do?

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exWifebeginsat40 · 22/09/2015 16:56

I wasn't saying AA is the only way to get sober. I said it worked for me. I also said that sobriety has to be worked at, which is true, because it is hard.

I don't have an agenda. all I have is my experience. he will only stop again when he is ready. sadly it can be quite a long way to the bottom and I wish OP and her family nothing but love and luck.

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Fleamog · 21/09/2015 00:59

First of all - Sugar21, thanks for trying - it is clearly hugely painful for you. Alcoholism is such a thief in some ways, taking my husband, who is the kindest, gentlest guy and hollowing him out till their was just a shell - this was before he went into rehab, when he hit rock bottom many many terrible times and tried to get help himself, without any joy. Now I guess he has relapsed, and I should have done something straight away when realised, but I didn't.
If there was a treatment that worked it would be a lot more straight forwards, but there doesn't seem to be. And dare I say it, it is well nigh impossible for alcohol not to crop up everywhere, which must be so hard for those in recovery. I joined my husband in not drinking and it is pretty foul even for me.
I agree that I have to talk to him and to try and keep calm when I do this, which will be difficult. I am not sure what I thought burying my head in the sand was doing or achieving, so I am glad that posting on here has got me. clear on that point.
I am gonna read the article above a couple more times, cos its hard to get your head around the different roles and what to do, that doesn't involve leaving. Also I am going to try and find a couple of counsellors to try and see what their take is, and how they can help me to do the right thing and to come out of it in the best shape possible. That's the plan anyway, I have to muster up the strength to go through with it.
Thanks for all the suggestions and also from the other side - exwifebeginsat40, and other people's experiences. It reminds me of when my husband left rehab, the director told us that he was the only alcoholic he knew who had stayed off alcohol after 5 years, which wasn't exactly very encouraging, but I was so sure we were gonna prove him wrong. I should have listened harder. And that was at a good rehab place. Honestly, we can put a man on the moon, a probe on Mars but can't get a handle on addiction.Maybe it is too much of a cinderella subject that no one is trying hard to find a lasting solution. I really am not sure what the answer is to the bigger picture of treatment and support - clearly nothing obvious is truly working. And I include the love of a good woman in that - as well as (grown up) sons, friends and family.

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cozietoesie · 21/09/2015 00:09

You tried - and that was a big deal. Take care.

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sugar21 · 20/09/2015 23:48

Wanted to help the op but can't

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cozietoesie · 20/09/2015 23:44

I'm so sorry for your pain, sugar.

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sugar21 · 20/09/2015 23:39

My ex is an alcoholic and always will be. He used to be a lovely kind caring man but after the death of our child he sought solace with bourbon and became vio ,......sorry can't do this
Good luck op

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cozietoesie · 20/09/2015 23:38

I think you have to confront him, Fleamog - it's too big a burden to carry as you're doing. (As well, arguably, as not doing him any good.)

Your whole relationship at the moment is based upon lies and I don't see from your pretty despairing posts how you can continue with it in this way. (And that's assuming that he doesn't drive and won't some morning mow someone down while pie-eyed from the night before - because if that happens, all bets are off.)

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HopeClearwater · 20/09/2015 23:26

AA has no features of a cult! Where's the charismatic leader? Where's the pressure to join and then to remain?

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HopeClearwater · 20/09/2015 23:24

I'm a long time member of Al-Anon and i found it invaluable in understanding the nature of addiction and the spouse's reactions to it. I'm an out-and-out atheist and don't find it 'weird' as a pp put it. Try another meeting and go with an open mind. Al-anon isn't for you to cure someone else's addiction - that's why some people don't like it. It's for you to learn how to deal with what someone else's addiction has done to you! Also, I have to disagree with the poster who said that AA see relapse as part and parcel of recovery. It doesn't have to be. It's just that addiction is a very, very difficult thing to overcome and AA people concede that you have to work at it, for ever. They have a saying that when the addict is in the rooms (ie in a meeting) their addiction is outside doing press-ups. (In order to be stronger when the addict lets their guard down). The nature of addiction is that it convinces the addict that it will be ok to drink next time. The OP's husband probably thinks he has it all under control. He hasn't, obviously.

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Mistigri · 20/09/2015 23:23

My OH was a drinker. He's now recovered (in remission, I prefer to think of it). No AA here and it would not be his type of thing anyway (personally I think much of it is evidence-free and semi-cultish).

DH had a couple of long (several week) hospital stays and subsequently attended a hospital-run discussion and support group with a cognitive behavioural bias, run by an addiction specialist. Probably the most helpful thing for him however was finding a good psychiatrist to treat the underlying issue (chronic anxiety).

About 6 years ago at the worst point I took the kids and left. He ended up in hospital and after his discharge we got together again. He has had two relapses since, one of which resulted in hospitalisation. I am "fortunate" in that it's obvious from his behaviour if he has been drinking (even just a small amount) and my eldest child is also able to tell if he is not sober.

I agree with those above who say that the drinking is very unlikely to be confined to weekends. It is also true that getting clean is a process, and few achieve it without at least one or several relapses, but what you describe is not a temporary relapse - it is a return to full blown alcoholic behaviour :(

I'm sceptical about talk about "enabling" - much of this seems to me like victim blaming in disguise. But it is certainly true that many alcoholics need to hit rock bottom before they are able to climb up the other side, and sometimes what it takes is a significant other packing her (or his) bags :(

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Whatsforsupper · 20/09/2015 23:06

Op, I am sorry, I have derailed your post with my thoughts about recovery.

If you are to take AA at its word then relapse is part and parcel of being an alcoholic, it by no means he can't and won't recover.

You need to have a honest conversation with him about what you want to do going forward. If he won't get help and stop drinking you would be well advised to start thinking about leaving.

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Whatsforsupper · 20/09/2015 23:00

So, Ex you're suggesting the 90% that do want to get clean and sober who can't get clean,don't want it enough, hence they are still active?

That's an AA saying it has no validity in any evidence in any treatment other then 12 step. The facts are this.

95% of people attending all 12 step fail getting clean and sober are you honestly suggesting all those people don't want recovery?

Or, just maybe, AA is not for everyone and there is other methods of treatment available.

Sure AA has its place, it works for some people, suggesting those that don't get clean and sober need to want it more is nothing more then a AA platitude, in the world of AA nothing else works.

The sad facts are some people will never get clean and sober regardless of the treatment they attend.

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mosquitocoast · 20/09/2015 22:53

NCd for this.
I am really sorry you are going through this. My experience fwiw: my father in law is an alcoholic. His wife stayed with him even when he hit her when drunk, because 'he needs me.' She got cancer. He continued drinking and driving her while drunk even when he was her sole carer (he would be drinking, drunk and refusing to leave restaurants when she was upset because her colostomy bag was leaking, and it was an hour in the car to get home). She died. He is still drinking and got his first new girlfriend less than a year after she died (I forget how long they were married but it was in the region of 35, 40 years). The only thing that stopped him drinking for a bit was being in a car accident when DUI (after she died) and losing his licence. He now has his licence again and is drinking again.
Do not stay because you think he needs you. You have to either accept you will be living with an alcoholic till the day you die, and that he will put the booze before you even as you are dying in front of him, or you have to decide to tear up your life and leave and make a new one. I know neither of those are easy choices. Again, I'm really sorry.

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Whatsforsupper · 20/09/2015 22:48

Well, I know plenty of people that have thrived in 12 step, I know more who have thrived outside of 12 step having spent plenty of time in and out of the rooms.

I'm countering the posts in this thread that its AA/NA or nothing!

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cozietoesie · 20/09/2015 22:47

Thank you for that, exWife. That post can't have been easy.

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exWifebeginsat40 · 20/09/2015 22:41

I was the alcoholic in my house. I was still drinking after losing my daughter, my job, my husband and my home. AA saved my life, but it doesn't work unless you work at it.

if he is drinking in secret he will not stop. the wheels have already come off - are you going to hang around for the crash?

I'm 18 months sober and I'm doing my best to put things right. it'll take me the rest of my life. I hope your husband can get a hold of this - BUT he has to do that for himself.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you and your family.

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Linds53 · 20/09/2015 22:33

I have been in your position fleamog and totally understand the fear you have of admitting to yourself and others that there's a problem. You're not being a coward at all. It's completely understandable. I didn't feel able to talk about my husband's drinking until his problems became too visible to hide. And talking about it helped me hugely. Once family, friends and colleagues knew they were able to give me the support I badly needed. If he is drinking neat vodka at weekends then he is probably drinking during the week too. I'm so sorry that this is happening to you, as I know how hard it is to go through.

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Squeegle · 20/09/2015 21:33

I can only speak for my experience and AA supported my ex in becoming sober. He did not manage on his own so for him it was literally a life saver. I guess it depends on who you meet; he had a very inspiring sponsor.

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Whatsforsupper · 20/09/2015 21:20

This is one of the most well written articles I've seen produced around addiction. Yes, its about addiction, NA came about as an off shoot of AA remove the heroin add in alcohol it gives a well rounded view on how 12 step became the treatment model on offer.

projects.huffingtonpost.com/dying-to-be-free-heroin-treatment

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Whatsforsupper · 20/09/2015 21:15

Yea, well AA/NA has a success rate of less then 5% of all those attending meetings. The evidence has shown as many people get clean and sober without intervention as attending 12 step.

Sadly, most addicts tend too lie, not all most do.

Relapse is part and parcel of all models of recovery there is nothing stopping him getting sober again.

Some these posts suggest you need to get into a 12 step co-dependency group if you don't you've no hope.

12 step including Al anon is not for everyone!

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cozietoesie · 20/09/2015 19:03

Fleamog

I think you should be considering how much you really know about this man even though you've been married for 35 years.

You say that you found out when you found the 'hidden' vodka bottles. How do you know when he actually started drinking heavily in the first place - or started again after the rehab? (He could have been a functioning alcoholic for many many years and could well have lasted sober for virtually no time at all after the rehab.)

It's just that necking neat vodka on the QT is not the action of someone who was only just returning to booze - it implies a high basic tolerance of the substance if discovering the bottles was the only way you knew about it. Like another poster, I would be pretty certain, also, that he's drinking during the week.

Does he drive a car or do anything that might, at some point, require a sobriety or a blood test? If so, things could come crashing down any time regardless of his covering up.

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tribpot · 20/09/2015 18:53

We have been through such a lot with the alcoholism, and truly believed it was sorted.

It doesn't get sorted. It's an ongoing situation - there's no 'recovered', only recovery.

The reason I keep asking if he has ever admitted the problem to anyone else is because being willing to admit the problem is an essential part of the acceptance that you are an addict and will always be one. This cannot be something you hide behind closed doors, because it will always thrive there.

Relapses can happen to any of us - look at Philip Seymour Hoffman. He had been sober for 23 years before he went off the rails. Twenty three years. Nothing can truly guard against it but a willingness to accept that recovery is an active process is so important.

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Squeegle · 20/09/2015 18:42

I second the sober recovery friends and family forum. It was a great support to me. It basically helped me to wake up to what I was sleepwalking through.

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Fleamog · 20/09/2015 16:04

Wow - that is a lot to take in. I am really going to read it closely, on a quick scan, there are some very interesting things about the roles people play - especially the wife - especially me.
The only thing that puts me right off is the al anon - yes it was that I went to - I tried several at the time. I could try another now, a few years later I suppose, or I could think about counselling.
An amazing amount of food for thought - thank you - I will report back after I have considered it all
Thank you to anyone who has replied and might still reply. This is the first time I have ever posted like this, and I can't tell you how good it feels that people care

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/09/2015 15:47

OP - Give Al-anon another chance. You need to talk to them, I am wondering if you actually got in touch with AA previously instead (they talk about higher powers etc).

Al-anon is completely separate from AA and is specifically for family members or anyone affected by another person's drinking.

Hard as the following may well be for you to read OP, you need to read this as well. This is you now:-

The wife is the first person who joins the alcoholic on the Merry-Go-Round. If she absorbs injustices, suffers deprivation, endures repeated embarrassments, accepts broken promises, is outwitted or undermined in every effort to cope with the drinking situation and is beaten down by the constant expression of hostility directed toward her, her own reaction is hostility, bitterness, anxiety and rage. Playing the role in this way makes the wife sick. She is not a sick woman who made her husband become an alcoholic but a woman who becomes part of an illness by living with it. She is put in a role which forces her to become the Provoker. She is caught between the advancing illness of alcoholism and the wall of ignorance, shame and embarassment inflicted upon her by society. This crushes her; she needs information and counseling, not because she caused her husband's illness, but because she is being destroyed by it.

Another reason why the wife needs help in the plan of recovery is that if she changes her role and begins to act in a new way she will discover she is standing alone. Others - friends, relations, business associates - will treat her as an actor who is deserting a play when there is no substitute to take her part. This is especially true if the wife separates from her husband, whether by choice or necessity.

Some wives can change their roles by having talks with a counselor who has basic knowledge of alcoholism, or by attending group meetings in a local alcoholism clinic or mental health clinic. Others gain insight and security by taking part in the Al-Anon Family Group meetings. Having new friends who understand her new role, because they have lived through similar pain and agony, is very important for the wife at this time. Relatives and friends may tell her how wrong she is in trying to play a new role; she needs people who understand and can give moral support in her search for answers to the problems of alcoholism.

The basic mistake made by women who seek help for their husbands'
alcoholism si that they want to be told what they can do to stop the drinking, not realizing that it may take a long time to learn a new role in the alcoholic marriage. Long periods of regular weekly conferences or group meetings are often necessary before a wife begins to change her feelings and learns to act in a new, constructive way. If others in the play do not learn new roles, the wife may need to remain in the group for a period of 2-3 years before her feelings and emotions will permit a change in role.

The wife should seek help for herself to recover from her own fears, anxieties, resentments and other destructive forces at work in an alcoholic marriage. As she is able to change, this may change the drinking pattern of her husband, and in many causes such a change leads to the alcoholic's recovery. Few husbands can stand a drastic change in their wives without making basic changes in their own lives, but this desirable change cannot be guaranteed. Many wives seek some form of help and then drop out of a program when the problems of an alcoholic marriage are not solved in a short time.

To avoid injury to the children, the wife must seek help outside the circle of family and friends. When she plays the role of Provoker the children are placed between a sick father and a sick mother. The wife who seeks and finds help early enough can prevent much of the harm which is being passed on to the children through her reaction to her husband. If she seeks and finds help, it will protect the children in many ways and may open the the door to her husband's recovery. The rate of recovery increases greatly when the wife seeks help for herself and continues to use this help.

The Moral Issue is also important. No one has a right to play God and demand that the alcoholic stop drinking. The reverse is also true. the alcoholic can only continue to act like a little god, telling everyone what to do, while doing as he pleases, if a supporting cast continues to play this role. The wife has every moral right and responsiblity to refuse to act as if her husband were God Almighty whose ever wish and commandment she must obey. As a rule, she cannot tell her husband anything for he refuses to hear it. Her only effective means of telling him what she means is to learn to free herself from his attempt to control and dictate what she is to do. This independence may be exercised in silence; it need not be expressed in words. Just as the real message to the wife is what the husband does and not what he says, she must learn to convey her message by acting in a new way.

Two things that may interfere with success is a long-range program for his wife. First, the husband's attitude toward the new role may range from disapproval to direct threats or violence. Second, responsibilities in the home, especially if there are young children, make it difficult for the wife to get away to go to group meetings, counseling or therapy during the day. At night, few alcoholic husbands will baby-sit or pay for this service while the wife attends meetings of Al-Anon or other therapy. Nor should they be trusted with this responsiblity while drinking.

If the couple married at an average age, during the pre-alcoholic stage of his illness, the wife ist he first person who joins him on the Merry-Go-Round when alcoholism appears. Many years later the Enabler and the Victim start their roles. If recovery from alcoholism is to be initiated before the illness becomes acute, the wife must initiate the recovery program. Most persons today, often including the helping professionals, are unwilling to accept alcoholism as an illness until it reaches the addictive stage of chronic alcoholism. Thus the wife will find herself in a position of a pioneer in the search for help. If her minister condemns drunkenness, she is ashamed to turn to him. If her doctor fails to recognize the existence of alcoholism in the early stages, medical help and counsel for her are cut off. If conditions become unbearable and she consults a lawyer, he may talk in terms of separation or divorce as the only service he can offer. This increases her sense of failure as a wife, or terrifies her with the prospect of the anxiety and grief she would have, if she took such action. So most wives stay on the Merry-Go-Round or get back on soon after trying to stop it or get off.

Until there are drastic changes in our cultural and social attitudes toward drinking and alcoholism, the family member who wishes to initiate a program of recovery from alcoholism must understand this can be a long and difficult process. However, if the wife or other family member is willing to enter a weekly program of educaiton, therapy, Al-Anon, or counseling, and work at it for a period of six months, changes usually occur, not only in her life but often in the life and action of the alcoholic. A wife cannot make a change unless she believes it to be the right and moral choice, so she must understand the nature of alcoholism. She must also have the courage to stand against her husband's opposition to her own program of recovery. A wife cannot be expected to do what is beyond her emotional or financial capacity. However, by remaining in a program of her own, she may be able to solve problems which at first seemed to difficult.

There is no easy way to stop the merry-go-round, for it can be more painful to stop it than to keep it going. It is impossible to spell out definite rules which apply to all members of the play. Each case is different, but the framework of the play remains much the same.

The family member is able to see the Merry-Go-Round of the alcoholic, but often fails to see that she is the one who helps to keep it going. The hardest part of stopping the repeated cycleis the fear that the alcoholic won't make it without such help. But what she unknowingly considers help is the very thing that permits him to continue to use alcohol as the cure-all for his problems.

If a friend is call upon for help, this should be used as an opportunity to lead the alcoholic and the family into a planned program of recovery.

A professional who has alcoholics or their family members as clients or patients should learn how to cope with alcoholism. Specific literature is available through local, state, and national programs on alcoholism. Short, intensive workshops are also available for professionals who are willing to spend time and effort to acquire basic knowledge of alcoholism.

If a wife thinks her husband has a drinking problem or drinks too much too often, she should seek help and counsel immediately, evaluating the situation in order to find the programs best suited to her needs. Regardless of the kind of help the wife chooses, she should not stop after a few conferences or meetings, for changes do not occur overnight. Regular attendance should be continued, for many wifes learn it takes a long to secure the real benefit from such a program. In our present society, the wife has one basic choice - to seek help for herself or permit the illness of alcohlism to destroy her and other members of her family.

Al-Anon is the most widespread group resource for the family today, just as AA for the alcoholic. Each has several thousand groups throughout the country. Many communities also have Alcoholism Information Centers, Mental Health Centers and professional persons who have learned to give wise and helpful counsel to the family.

To repeat, the wife can find a source of help for herself. This is the only way to break the merry-go-round of denial. Once help is found, she must continue to use whatever help is available and build her own program of recovery, perferably within an established group. Starting a recovery program may can greater suffering, conflict and confusion, but in the long run this is far less painful than helping the alcoholic continue to drink by remaining a member of the support cast of the play which keeps the Merry-Go-Round turning.

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