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Emotional Affair? If so, how to deal with

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Outrageousfortune · 16/10/2013 12:27

First time poster.... I'll try and keep the details brief

Married for over 12 years. Together for almost 19. 2 children. Thought everything was ok. Comfortably off, good lifestyle, but lacking a bit of togetherness and direction. Never had any doubts whatsoever about dw's loyalty.

About 12 months ago dw's mother was very sick. In fact, she died shortly after being diagosed as terminal.

About the time she was diagnosed dw went for a weekend away to somewhere sunny with a group of gfs. They had a great time. Told me how they met a bunch of guys on the plane with loads of money and then went on the yacht. I was pleased for her.

Roll the clock forward 12 months and dw goes away for business overnight. She calls me on the second day of trip to say that ds is sick and needs collecting from school. Unable to do so herself as at other end of country, or so I thought. DW due back home at about 9pm. Various exchanges of texts in the evening, as dw wants to go out with work colleagues after getting off train. DW finally arrives home at 6am the followining day! I smell a rat.

I have never done this before, but went through her overnight bag and handbag...no work clothes, no work papers. What i found was a wet swimming costume, going out clothes and a room card for a smart London hotel in a man's name. So, I tackled the issue with DW.

DW was initially very evasive but finally owned up. Apparently around December last year, owner of said yacht calls DW and invites her out with his friends for a night out. They then see each other as 'just friends' in groups of other people once every 4 to 6 weeks. Sometimes he met her for lunch or after work for a quick drink. The culmination of all this was him (with all his money) booking her a room in very smart hotel (with a pool) so that she could have some time on her own. Apparently, they went out with a group on the first night, but her went home early due to a family problem - yes, he too is married with kids. He did not stay at the hotel. He came back the next day and took DW out for lunch at a smart restaurant and they went out again, in a group, in the evening. They stayed out later as he cut the previous evening short.

Apparently, she does not fancy him, but thinks that he is a great listener and really interesting. She swears that there has been no emotional or physical relationship between them. I really want to believe her, but I still feel a huge sense of betrayal. I admit, I probably havent been the most attentive husband over recent years, but nevertheless...

DW says she still loves me, and we have maintained an active sex life throughout. I love her dearly. We are working successfully at communicating and giving our life more direction. DW says that her actions were as a consequence of her mother's death and my lack of emotional attentiveness. She has even offered for me to meet the guy and says she wants to remain friends with him.

Has dw been having an emotional affair - or even something else - and if so, what is the best way to mend things?

Apologies for the ramble. I am very confused, but I hope that you are not.

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givemeaclue · 18/10/2013 14:29

Ask her for his contact details and call him yourself. You need to know. Cut regardless she is a liar.

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FridaKarlov · 18/10/2013 13:12

There is no way he paid for the hotel room and didn't stay the night! Sorry OP she is minimising the hell out of this!

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Thisisaeuphemism · 18/10/2013 11:13

Why didn't you read her secret book all at once?

Sorry OP, it must be a lot to take in.

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Thisisaeuphemism · 18/10/2013 11:12

She has told you she is not going to stop seeing him. She's made her position quite clear.

What are you going to do?

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anon2013 · 18/10/2013 10:29

Make sure you meet this guy. If she puts it off then it's nailed on she's cheated

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JammieMummy · 18/10/2013 10:22

You cannot move on and "patch things up" because that is all it will be, patches on the relationship hiding the whacking great holes of infidelity and trust issues. You MUST have it out with her, it is the only way to save your marriage.

At the moment she thinks she got away with it and you believe her pack of lies, so she will do it again, either with this guy or with another one, it won't matter because she is smarter and a better lier than you. She will lose her respect for you and start to resent you.

Meanwhile, this trust issue is going to burn inside you, it already is as you are ringing PIs and chatting to us, this niggling feeling is going to get bigger and you will start to resent her, distrust her and then your behaviour towards her will change too.

Then you have two people living together, trying to co-parent, who feel contempt for each other both keeping a huge secret. how do you think that will end? If you want to save your marriage you must have it all out now. She will realise what she is about to lose (and this guy sure as hell isn't going to leave his wife and kids for her) and she will realise you haven't bought into all her lies, she will be upset but will respect you so much more. You KNOW she has slept with this man, you do not need proof and in any event the fact she has constantly lied for you for 12 months is enough, make her leave until she can be honest with you for the sake of your marriage.

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BitOutOfPractice · 18/10/2013 09:23

When I was in this situation OP I also obsessed about finding out the whole truth and also spoke to a PI to try to find it. I think, looking back, that I was still hoping that there was an innocent explanation for the stuff he was getting up to. I still loved him and I didn't want to believe that the man I loved was a lying cheating bastard. That's why I wanted to keep digging.

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Outrageousfortune · 17/10/2013 22:27

Leavenheath - I've just re-read your advice from last night.

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Leavenheath · 17/10/2013 22:23

No she won't admit it if you carry on with what you're doing.

I'm at a loss now because I've advised you what to do. I don't see any alternatives now.

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Outrageousfortune · 17/10/2013 22:14

Leavenheath - Tonight, I have resigned myself in large part that the two of them had sec in that hotel room. The other part of me wants to believe her and cling onto the fact that they did not.

How funny that this thread started off talking about an 'emotional affair'.

I just need to know its all over and that she's never going to stray again.

I want to patch things up and move on. I just don't know where to start. She's never going to admit it.

So what to do?

Holy cow, what a mess. How did we come to this?

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Leavenheath · 17/10/2013 22:08

Save your money mate. You don't need proof. You'll never get those images out of your head when you get it and you'll feel cheap and grubby for turning to the dark side. Remember, you've got to co-parent with this woman whatever happens and finding proof of adultery makes no difference to a divorce settlement or a residence agreement.

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Outrageousfortune · 17/10/2013 21:25

i've just had a long phone call with a private investigator discuss how to findout evidence of DW's infidelity.

Even the lady PI is 90+% certain that DW was wife her friend in the hotel room.

Suddenly, I feel even better!

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MissStrawberry · 17/10/2013 20:32

She is playing you like a fool.

Poor little wifey all tired. Poor precious girl.

FFS get some bollocks. She is treating you like a fool.

It isn't so much as what she is saying as what she ISN'T.

If she was innocent she wouldn't fuck off out with her mates and slink off to bed. She would want to reassure the man she loves as much as he needs to believe she hasn't been fucking some rich bloke for his baubles.

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anon2013 · 17/10/2013 16:40

She slunk off to bed to avoid confrontation.

I'd tell her to arrange a meeting with this guy asap after all it was her idea. I'd say "it's the only way you could move forward from this at all" otherwise it's going to niggle and get worse. The longer it goes on the longer they can get their cover story straight.

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Leavenheath · 17/10/2013 16:30

Also, can you imagine this bloke letting you anywhere near his wife when you loudly thank him for treating your wife to a hotel room on her own?

I don't think so, do you?

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Leavenheath · 17/10/2013 16:05

Look I'd give up on this meeting up with the bloke. I know it was meant well as a suggestion, but I think it's a daft idea. If they agreed to it then it would only be so they could get off on their spouses being present and having this big secret from you both, which is frankly a horrible thing to do. More likely, this would never happen because his wife probably has even less of a clue about your wife's existence than you have about his and neither of them would want either of you reading the body language and signals that people in an affair convince themselves no-one else sees.

She can't swear blind that she didn't lie to you for a year. Why aren't you focusing on that? This big thing that's in the open domain?

You do have all the options we discussed last night. You know she lied to you and you know she had a secret relationship with another man for a year. You don't need any more proof.

You don't need something to take your mind of it. You need to act.

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Outrageousfortune · 17/10/2013 15:57

OK. So DW came home last night and I sat her down and started to gently question her over her motives for her behaviour. Once again, she swore blind that nothing has ever happened. She was very convincing.

Very disappointed not to have got under the skin of the motivations but she slunk off to bed saying she was very tired.

No news either yet on a date for meeting her friend. This could be telling.

Short of her slipping up, giving up, torture or hiring a private detective, the most likely way to find out what has really been going on is to keep taking reads of her secret book which I mentioned last night. Let the chapters unfold.

Still feeling crap with the not knowing. I need something to take my mind off it all.

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ivmessedup · 17/10/2013 13:56

Don't move out. Even for a few days. If you do, and the separation becomes permanent, you will have created a status quo regarding your children. They will live with your DW and you will be allowed contact as she sees fit. This may be much less than you want. If you are leaving, you must have a formal agreement in place regarding the children. Although this is not bullet proof, she will feel bound by what has been agreed. If you leave, the matter may be outwith your control.

I agree with everyone else that this behaviour is beyond suspicious. I suspect that she feels she has gotten away with it because you have been busy over the last four weeks trying to address your own (in her view) shortcomings.

Good luck OP

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impatienttobemummy · 17/10/2013 13:04

Good luck

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Vivacia · 17/10/2013 12:45

Quite. It's standard advice on this forum for the cheating party to be told to leave.

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MissStrawberry · 17/10/2013 11:31

I don't think you should be the one to leave the family home. It could be very hard to get back in to it.

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hellsbellsmelons · 17/10/2013 09:17

How did it go OP?
Really hope you got some of the truth but I have my doubts.
I agree with others, she needs to understand loss. It's the only thing cheaters understand in this kind of situation.
Why do you have to move out? Is she primary carer?
If she is then yes take a few days away and only discuss contact with the kids until she can tell you the truth.
Good luck!

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JammieMummy · 16/10/2013 23:20

Good luck from here too

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Leavenheath · 16/10/2013 23:13

Good luck

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Outrageousfortune · 16/10/2013 23:12

Leavenheath - Wise words indeed.

As I said to Jammiemummy earlier, I am going to take this approach when she arrives home shortly. Wish me luck.

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