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I wanted to end this relationship but I am still here

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 20:34

Been with H for 14 years and we have 2 primary school age dcs.
Things have been very hard since the birth of first dcs, just getting harder and harder as time went on.

I told H a year ago that I had enough but tbh didn't have emotional strength to go much further away than this. He was very difficult to live with, was very hurtful (some of his behaviors could be said to be abusive). His attitude towards the dcs was bad too.
A few things changed in this last year. It very much felt as if it was too little too late.

So I decided to leave after the summer and the dc birthday. I had decided that this weekend I would tell him it's finished, that there is nothing to salvage and I am not in love with anymore.

But... this sunday has been the day where he decided for the first time in well... perhaps years to actually be relatively relaxed. He smiled. I even managed to have a relaxed conversation with him, very much a chitchat type of things but we haven't had that in a very very long time. Quite a few of his unacceptable behaviors seem to have disappeared over the summer (as my resolve to leave was getting stronger Hmm).
At the same time, I spoke to my mum about my decision and she has been equal to herself. Oh poor him. So hard, what about the dcs etc... Always putting herself/me after others (read my dad, my H) as these poor men have had such bad childhood/so many difficulties etc.. I knew she would do that, so I hadn't talk to her about it before. But my strength has disappeared again.

So my question is really, is my feeling that nothing can be salvaged the right one? Am I putting everybodyelse before me (again!)? Or should I give H another chance (again!)?

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NorthernerAtHeart · 04/10/2011 22:13

Keep working at it. You can get there in the end - and you sound to be in a much worse situation than me at the moment. I have been there time and time again pretending everything is ok after a good day or two, only for things to crash back down again sometime later.

So, I had a really bleak couple of weeks at the start of last month - pretty much stuff we have talked about before really getting me down. I just felt worse and worse and couldn't shake it. As a last resort I made an appointment just for me with our counsellor. After that hour I felt better than I had done in such a long time (despite lots of tears within the session too). She was pretty much telling me what I need to do, validating my feelings and telling me that I HAVE been making it pretty clear to DH that I don't want to continue with our marriage.

2 weeks ago I told him this - I wanted space, proper space - he's been crying lots (never seen him cry before) and telling me how we just need to keep talking and how things are getting better. Hmm. He went to see the counsellor too, although I don't think it achieved as much. I'm really not sure it has properly registered with him. I suppose I should just be repeating what I want all the time, but I have kind of gone quiet again. I find myself quite short with him, and I don't like my snapiness at the moment.

He has been working at things (in between crap bits) for a good few months, loves the kids to bits and gets on with them pretty well.

So, I'm still here too. I stopped posting for a bit as I needed to stop over analysing. It doesn't really leave my head at all. :(

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waterrat · 04/10/2011 18:55

Sorry - to put .. Not topic...

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waterrat · 04/10/2011 18:52

You talk about trying topic yourself first - but it's your children that should come first. They have no choice and they need you to act for them and teach them - if you don't get out now they will grow up like him or they will marry someone like him.

I don't know how you can justify keeping them in this environment.

And of course, as you say, one day is meaningless - it's not about occasional pleasant behaviour it's about who he really is and how he makes you all feel

This isn't the 1950s you know you need to go so don't let your kids learn any more crap behaviour ...good luck, you will feel so free ...

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LydiaWickham · 04/10/2011 16:06

well, you have a choice, you can leave him and have happier children, or you can stay with him and not feel guilty about leaving.

That's basically what your arguements come down to.

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CactusRash · 04/10/2011 15:59

Yes they are. But I obvioulsy need to think harder at point 3 to be able to do point 1.

More thinking required.

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 04/10/2011 15:41

The good news is that items 1 and 3 on that list are within your control.

(not easy, of course, but completely doable.)

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CactusRash · 04/10/2011 15:38

Oh yes yu see I am still here and still struggling with the same issues.

If tomorrow I could wake up and have my life as I would like it?

  • we would be separated
  • H (exH?) would have changed his behaviour and would be respectful towards the dcs. He would be supportive of them and a 'good dad'.
  • I would have stopped putting everybodyelse before me and start living my life for myself.

I've finally realized that really that's the issue. I've been taught my my mum that my H & his needs should come before me and I am struggling to acknowledge that my needs need to be met too. That would be fine if it wasn't for the dcs. That's for them that I need to do something so that the impact on them is minimal.

Still working at it.

What about you?
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NorthernerAtHeart · 03/10/2011 23:00

Oh Cactus - I thought this might be you when I read the title of your post.

What is your gut feeling? If you could wake up tomorrow morning with your life arranged how you want it to be, what would it look like?

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trulyscrumptious666 · 03/10/2011 15:53

New here, but really needed to comment as you seem to be in exactly the same position as me. I would love to have the confidence to tell my H to go but not brave enough. He is very draining and rarely nice to the kids/me/my family. I just really don't want him to have an custody of the kids as I hate the way he shouts at them and he has never looked after them for more than 12 hours without me being around.
He'd never hurt any of us but like you I feel I should be trying harder to make it work, my parents have been married for 40years and I very much believed marriage was for life.

Hope everything works out for you once you tell him

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solidgoldbrass · 03/10/2011 14:07

And that's the overriding reason why you have to get rid of the H. Because his behaviour is harming your lovely DS. If it helps you get rid of the guilt, tell yourself that you are putting DS first by getting rid of H.

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 03/10/2011 14:04

the feeling that he has to be perfect or isn't good enough

That is classic. Poor child. Those feelings are likely to stay with him a long time and affect all sorts of areas of his life.

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CactusRash · 03/10/2011 12:27

the child's needs come second to the out-of-control and self-centred parent

Puppy, thsi is a chilling comment because it actually looks so mcuh like the issue between dc1 and H. H has never been able to to adapt to life with dcs, always wants to do things his way. His moto seems to be 'Do as I say' and 'I am deciding'. On the top of it, H feels uneasy (resentful?, frightened?) that dc1 is a clever, academic child.. You get the picture.
dc1 self esteem certainly has suffered from it along with the feeling that he has to be perfect or isn't good enough.

:(:(

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 03/10/2011 09:15

I don't know how much this fits your family situation Cactus, re your son, but it's been my observation that children in emotionally abusive households can be very mature in some ways usually in terms of the sense of responsibility they display because the parent-child relationship is inversed to some extent: the child's needs come second to the out-of-control and self-centred parent.

The flip-side is that their self-esteem and sense of fun become stunted, which can have lifelong consequences.

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 22:21

It's strange. i think that what I am worried is the separation as the bit between now and when we will live in separate houses. That's the unknown I am scared about.

I am acutely aware of the dcs and the influence on them. dc1 is a fantastic child. Very emotionally mature (tbh more mature than quite a few adults). He isn't 10yo. Just as much it is a fantastic thing, I know it is the case because of what has happened at home. The fact he is like this is all to his credit but I wish he was more 'immature' if that makes sense.

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FabbyChic · 02/10/2011 21:31

It's hard to change what you know very much so, people shy away from doing really what is right because they are scared of the unknown and a life without your partner is the unknown.

I find children should come first they have to. If they suffer emotional cruelty at an early age they end up with personality problems later on. This then causes problems in their relationships with people.

Why not have a trial seperation?

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ninja · 02/10/2011 21:30

I know Cactus - it somehow feels like failing to leave a marriage, but how bad does it have to get and do you really want it to get that bad??

One day really of being cheerful doesn't make up for the rest, and if the kids are affected ......

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 21:20

Yep, putting my needs first is something I am finding very difficult. I know that if anything the one thing that will make me move on is H bevavior towards the dcs.

Attila,

I know that the positive of getting divorced are far stronger. The rational side of me is quite clear. It's the irrational side that doesn't want to (something totally irrational but then....)

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/10/2011 21:12

What are you getting out of this relationship now?.

What are you both teaching your children about relationships here?. I would have told your mother that acting as either a rescuer or a saviour within a relationship does not work. Your mother made you feel guilty; you learnt a lot of damaging stuff from her.

Purely going by your list alone, the "negatives" you give are far stronger than the "positive" reasons for staying within this.

As for guilt, well guilt is a useless emotion. You think your H has felt any guilt for putting you all through such rubbish - I doubt it very much. He may now only be trying harder because you've finally found it within yourself to possibly give him the boot. Once he gets you back to being acquiescent again and no longer a threat, his normal pattern will resume.

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 21:12

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Thanks that helps!

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FabbyChic · 02/10/2011 21:11

You feel guilty becuase you are not a selfish person, becuase whilst you do not love him any more you do inpart care for him.

You care about what others are going to think.

At some point you have to put the needs of you and your children first, and that is this time.

With regards finances you might be entitled to tax credits and help with your rent if you pay it.

You have to do what makes you and your children happy, and that clearly seems to be leaving him or asking him to leave.

Forget what your mother thinks she does not live the life you live, no one does so theoretically their opinions really mean nothing.

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 21:10

Possibly puppy.

Next time I am not going to speak to my mum, just letting her know my decision when I've actually talked to H. I love deraly but in these circumstances she is not a help.

And you can carry on telling me that one day isn't enough to erase 8 years of 'bad' behaviour. Or that my dcs deserve to have a happier, less stressful life.

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ninja · 02/10/2011 21:09

I've just separated from someone who I knew for a long time wasn't someone I really wanted to spend my time with. In fact it was him who finally made the decision (while we were on holiday - I was going to try and pluck up courage to say it after! I don't think he thought I would agree)

I had stuck with it for such a long time for the reasons that you have on your negatives list, the 'feeling I should be trying harder' really rings true with me (and he would often say it to me)

In the end though, I got to the stage of not caring whether divorce was bad, not worrying about telling people and I knew that it was the right thing.

I had to live in a house with him for 6 months while he bough a house and sponged off me (didn't pay anything towards the house or kids for the last month) and that time was hell.

I can say now a month down the line that it was so worth it, really it's like a weight has been lifted. There are still communications that are hard with him, when you have kids there have to be. He still takes the piss, but when I close the door I'm free from him.

I have tow DDs (8 and 3) and I have been amazed by how they've coped. DD2 (3) doesn't seem to be bothered. She sees us both, has 2 houses. At some time I'm sure I'll see some effects. DD1 obviously found it harder but has tried so hard to be positive and again is quite excited about having 2 rooms.

Good Luck!

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buzzskillington · 02/10/2011 21:07

The positives for your children are enough on their own.

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 02/10/2011 21:06

Because you want permission to do what you know you want to do?

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CactusRash · 02/10/2011 21:03

But then why I do I feel so guilty.....

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