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Would you buy a house right next to a council house?

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nappyrat · 04/03/2017 18:00

When I say right next door, it's one half of a semi. The other half is the council house. Most in the (small) avenue seem to have been sold off to private ownership, but the one attached to the one I like, has not (I don't think).

It's £400k FFS!

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frankiesamson · 16/08/2018 17:02

We lived in an ex-council house for decades without problems but it was in a very educated neighbourhood where all the houses were basically privately owned and lived in by educated non anti social types.

We then had such glowing opinions of ex council houses that we bought one in another area. We checked it out thoroughly before moving in but literally it turned out in good weather and all summer to be like living in a zombie apocalypse film in terms of gangs, druggies, anti social types.. etc.

It was like chalk & cheese.

Our friends were afraid to come over. So much racism & nasty types !

We'd never risk it again. Could be nice or bloody awful.

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Lookingforadvice123 · 28/10/2017 13:23

I think it’s far riskier to live next door to a privately rented house to be honest! Much more likely to be short term, whereas council tenants have often been there for years.

Surely it’s the area that matters, not the type of housing? I live in a very naice area, the majority of the houses are owner occupied but some privately rented. I used to own an ex council house next, the area wasn’t fantastic so there was quite a bit of crime around but the houses are very much a mix of owner occupied, private rented and social housing - there’s no way to differentiate and I never cared to. The only neighbours on the street who caused problems (screaming rows, locking each other out so they would bang on the front door at all hours, police/ambulances outside regularly etc) was definitely privately rented or owned as the house had been up for sale when we bought ours, and it’s now up for sale again.

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Knittingnoodles · 27/10/2017 13:50

I bought a house next to a newly refurbished council house. A year later the council house is a disgusting shit-tip. I mean like something from a Daily Mail neighbour from hell story. It’s an utter disgrace.

Scumbag tenants aren’t limited to council housing, but in this case the local authority seems reluctant to fulfil its duties as a landlord, as this would mean putting an enforcement on its self.

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fudgefeet · 27/10/2017 13:49

We were those annoying neighbours when I was young. Six children, always climbing out windows and down drainpipes, police constantly at the door, huge arguments and music blaring out until 4.00 in the morning. My parents owned our house.

I now rent and have been at the same place for nearly 10 years. We are all in bed every night by 10 and have never had a party (other than children birthday which is over by 6.00). I wear earplugs because the "homeowners" upstairs like to have their tv on loud and the "homeowners" next door have a piano right up by the wall where our bed is and like to have a late night sing-song if they come home drunk.

You can't judge what your neighbours will be like by their financial status.

I really am so shocked by some of the comments on this thread.

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allegretto · 27/10/2017 13:42

Surely you run the same risks (of having bad neighbours) if you live next door to an owned house?

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OutandIntoday · 27/10/2017 13:39

Not read all the comments but for me it would be concern about what, if any, future use the property was subject to. It is the council's asset to do with as they will - at the moment everyone is assuming it is being used as a long term rental property. However, its use may change to support any number of council services- temporary accommodation, asylum accommodation, probation support - not that any of these are in themselves negative, but it highlights that is may come with a high degree of risk of change to a use you may not like.

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candlefloozy · 27/10/2017 13:24

Wow. Such snobbery. I live in a council accommodation. Soon to be moving to
My own bought home! Shock horror!
We got a council property because it was close to family. The area was too much for us to rent and buy in when we first moved here. I have a degree and have always worked and my soon to be hubby works full time. Claim child benefit but that’s it. You cannot tar everyone with the same brush. I’ve got some horrible horrible neighbours who have bought their houses.

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Haint · 27/10/2017 12:02

I’ll tell you another benefit. We’re half of a semi, the other side being HA (lovely neighbors). We had a leak around our shared chimney. I got a few quotes. It needed scaffolding and was over a thousand ££. The HA came and fixed it, they asked if I’d be willing to contribute. I said ‘of course’ they billed me £70.

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SingleMummyof4 · 24/10/2017 21:15

Excuse me??!! Is your post aimed at me??!! I'm saying that just cos you're on benefits does NOT mean you are riff raff or dossers as the OP was insinuating so don't go off at me!!!!

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Ttbb · 24/10/2017 21:11

Maybe maybe not. If the neighbors (occupants of the council house) seem pleasant and the house is well maintained and not built in that hideous sixties style then sure. My main qualm about council housing is just how goddamn ugly most of it is.

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HamSandWitches · 24/10/2017 21:06

My experience of living on a typical northern council estate is nothing like what you describe, people don't get harassed in the street for wearing a shirt or talking differently and there are not gangs walking about in hoodies. It was maybe more like that in the 90s when the council were lax when dealing with anti social behaviour. Many council estate where I am have a mix of homeowner's, private renters and council tenants, some people work, some don't. Most antisocial behaviour is stopped as the introductory tenancy allows the council to seek possession for breaking the tenancy, they can also now demote a secure tenancy.

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MamaOfTwos · 24/10/2017 20:45

No. People in council housing cross all spectrums and I wouldn't risk living next door to scummers. (Note- I KNOW this is generally not the case!)

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 20:43

"Pure snobbery on your part.😡 Oh and for the record I've had nightmare neighbours on benefits....they OWN the house!!!! So it's not just Tenants who can be nightmare benefit dossers!!!!!😡"

The snobbery is on the part of yourself & people like you. Just because someone happens to be educated differently or from a different part of the country, doesn't mean they deserve to be bullied, harassed or attacked every time they come home. I also never said nightmare neighbours were restricted to being council tenants.

As for your experience with troublesome neighbours, if the way you interpreted my post is anything to go by, it sounds like you're the nightmare neighbour, not them.

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 20:38

"I'm so absolutely gobsmacked at your post that I have just signed up to Mumsnet just to respond!!! What you're really wanting to say, is that you don't want to be living next door to riff raff council dossers on benefits!!!! Don't judge every book by it's cover!!!"

Nope that's not what I said, looks like you wasted your time signing up.

You shouldn't assume people on benefit(s) to be "riff raff" or "dossers", and many of us will take exception to use of those words.

Not all of us came from backgrounds able to live off mum & dad before getting a job, unlike yourself. I myself was on benefit before I got my first job after uni. Get your facts straight before you presume.

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 20:33

"I really like the house. It's bloody ugly, but the inside is really great."

I actually love the 70s retro look of council houses, and they're practical & solid, but after living in several I'd never do it again. Too many aggressive / small minded people around, no matter how much u love ur home u end up just wanting to escape.

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SingleMummyof4 · 24/10/2017 18:27

I'm so absolutely gobsmacked at your post that I have just signed up to Mumsnet just to respond!!! What you're really wanting to say, is that you don't want to be living next door to riff raff council dossers on benefits!!!! Don't judge every book by it's cover!!! I am currently in the process of being made homeless for the 3rd time since 2012 (not my fault-landlords selling up!) EVERY private let will not rent to me because I'm on benefits!!! So I'm automatically classed as a benefit dosser who will wreck there houses and be a nightmare neighbour....all because I'm no longer able to work and am therefore claiming the benefits I'm legally entitled to do and I'm not ashamed to do so. So whilst I'm being labelled as 'DSS' by estate agents who seem to have forgotten that term is no longer in use....this is 2017 FFS, and them refusing to let me explain my situation to the landlords in question I'd like to point out that I did not CHOOSE to become a single mum nor did I CHOOSE to have to claim benefits!! I even still own a property with my Ex Husband. Due to that I am not eligible for a Council House or Housing association house so my only option is private rent which thankfully I've managed to find by sheer luck but as I said the last few years the drop in landlords allowing 'Benefits' has dramatically dropped. I've contacted agents for 62 properties over the last 2 months and all replied "Sorry No DSS"....They refuse to let me explain my situation directly to the landlord and that I'm not the stereotypical benefits claimant they think I am all because I've found myself a single mum needing to claim Housing Benefit etc. One even had the utter cheek to say "The landlord will not accept DSS, He'll accept a Zoo if necessary but No DSS under any circumstances!!!" Im LIVID at this attitude. So I'm not a 'typical' DSS Benefit dosser, just a mum who has found herself in this situation through no fault or choice of mine. Just because I claim benefits doesn't mean I will be a nightmare neighbour or any of your other 'Concerns'!!! Pure snobbery on your part.😡 Oh and for the record I've had nightmare neighbours on benefits....they OWN the house!!!! So it's not just Tenants who can be nightmare benefit dossers!!!!!😡

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 16:40

"Also, best way IMHO to mitigate any neighbour problems is to go knock on their door and say you’re looking at the area / house and how to do they find it? Then you can get an impression of what they are like, whoever they are!"

This often won't work- we did this in all places before moving in, but it turned out the neighbours weren't honest about the area before hand - of course - why would you openly tell someone about problems, and de-value your own house? No one would do that in their right mind.

We got the impression they were great people, but they gradually changed after we moved in, and the real trouble makers didn't even live in the same street, but walked through constantly.

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 16:37

"unless you are non-white or non-British, or dead set on being best friends with the neighbour, it doesn't really affect you."

You're so wrong. Harassment, prejudice & violence affects everyone, regardless of colour or race. Just because we're white doesn't mean being called names every time we left our front door didn't affect us. -and it was always from white-british, the same as us.

"Antisocial people in council houses are still a minority."

There's minority, and then there's minority. 15% antisocial people in council houses is a minority, but 1% in educated areas is a much smaller minority. We owned various different ex-council houses across the UK over the past 20 years, and we are relieved to have escaped it- knowing what we know now, we would never do it again. We can now live in peace knowing we won't be harassed. I would challenge you to try living in a northern council estate with a southern accent, or try being perceived as "AB" in a white area where the demographic is 90% C2 / DE. You won't enjoy it, I can assure you (assuming you make it out alive). Our son had to actually go to sports direct & buy a load of hoodies to avoid being beaten up or shouted at every day just because he wore shirts. I was threatened while walking along the pavement in broad daylight, by a stranger- just because I was in his way & he wanted to cycle on the footpath. Our attempts to be friendly were met with hostility. Our attempts to avoid contact were met with harassment. This went on for years & years, and was not a one-off experience, nor was it in any one specific area. It was in council estates across the country.

We looked at ex-council flats in West London in a bid to get more space, but after setting foot on the street & the weird angry looks we were receiving from the neighbours, we decided enough is enough. We were very open minded people, perhaps that was the problem- ironically, being less open minded would have saved us a lot of stress.

Just because you're one of the lucky ones who is accepted by a certain demographic, doesn't mean everyone is.. and just because you've not experienced it, doesn't mean the people you know & love, aren't guilty of it toward others. For example, you could live 10 years in a place and be completely unaware that your neighbours are racist against east asians- you wouldn't know because you're not east asian. The same applies to class / demographic prejudice.

The mere fact that they're so class-prejudiced (and I'm sorry, but you can't deny the experience of 20 years & of so many people)- is enough to warrant a huge risk to some people. While 80% who live in these areas might be pleasant, there are many people who would rather alleviate that 20% risk factor all-together, and live somewhere where there is no (or very little) class prejudice, particularly if you speak or look a certain way. Fortunately, the same cannot be said in reverse- the AB / C1 demographic seems to be accepting of everyone, including C3 / DE.

After 20 years living in ex-council houses & flats around the UK & private houses where the demographic was very wealthy less educated (C2 & DE), we now live in an area primarily AB / C1 , where none of our foreign friends have experienced racism in any form, and where none of us have experienced any class-prejudice, and all our friends who fit the C2 / DE demographic don't have problems here either. Life is now the way it should be. Our friends are relieved & everyone in our family feels the weight lifted off their shoulders.

So, just to re-iterate, not everyone will experience a problem in DE / C2 demographics, but many will, particularly if you're perceived as different in a way they don't like.

For a look at demographics, read my first post above.

Regardless of what this yesyeswhatever character believes or it being a "zombie thread", I genuinely hope this helps some people who find this thread via google.

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ShowMeMySilverLining · 24/10/2017 16:28

Also, best way IMHO to mitigate any neighbour problems is to go knock on their door and say you’re looking at the area / house and how to do they find it? Then you can get an impression of what they are like, whoever they are!

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HamSandWitches · 24/10/2017 16:28

Zombie thread was started ages ago. Wonder if op moved in

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ShowMeMySilverLining · 24/10/2017 16:24

Agree with JaneEyre as well about easier to deal with problems via council, from experience it seems no one can do anything about private renters...

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ShowMeMySilverLining · 24/10/2017 16:22

I can see what you are trying to say in your post. It’s a big thing to buy a house and you’re trying to mitigate problems.

My own experience is that I live next to council tenants now and they are fantastic. Beautiful garden, make an effort to talk to all the neighbours (London!), various people throughout their family have been there 50 years.

My previous neighbours were private renters who seemed to be, shall we say, employed in an undesirable profession from home. They did a midnight flit and didn’t tell the landlord.

I’m moving soon next to other council tenants, I hope they are as nice!

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HamSandWitches · 24/10/2017 16:16

I live in a council house, a row of 5 and 3 are bought. I have had the same neighbours for years but I live facing flats which are blocks of 4 and people are constantly moving in and out of them, some are fine, some are antisocial, some who are not antisocial move when they get antisocial neighbours.

If it's a house and the neighbours are already there then just have a drive about at the weekend late on, they are probably just a normal family with kids who have been there years or maybe someone with older kids who have moved out. The council can get rid of anti social tenants far easier than what they used to be able to due to introductory tenancies. If it's a nice area and a house I doubt you will get a never ending chain of council tenants unlike in the flats facing me

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frankiesamson · 24/10/2017 16:05

Sorry but you're still missing the point. re-read my post. Opinions of neighbours do indeed matter if they start harassing you, or if it turns into violence or crime, as it does in so many cases.

"I don't fit, but I still do".. in that case, you fit.

"Kind & reasonable people".. there are plenty of people who are kind & reasonable, UNTIL they come across someone they have prejudice against.

"Criminal racism warrants a call to police, of course." - you've clearly never experienced it otherwise you'd realise by the time you have a chance to call the police, it's over, and often calling the police makes it wore and/or they don't react (assuming you get through since you can't dial 999 for non emergencies). You're only showing your naivety & lack of experience unfortunately- no fault of your own, I was the same 20 years ago.

"the op can complain to council".. council often won't do anything about tenants, and can't do anything about private owners who cause a problem. Hence re-read my point. Check the demographic.

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Yesyesyesyeswhatever · 23/10/2017 19:21

Unless you plan on being best friends with your neighbours, their opinions will not matter. Racism is awful, but in this part of the country relatively low. Appreciate that it can be a problem in other parts of the country or pockets in areas. If there is only one council house/tenant on the street (as in the op), the op can complain to council about antisocial racism and get the persistent offenders removed. Criminal racism warrants a call to police, of course. Otherwise, simple racist opinions is sad and awful, but unless you are non-white or non-British, or dead set on being best friends with the neighbour, it doesn't really affect you.

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