DD2 injury after barefoot pe very angry

[raphaelbutler]

hi my dd2 was doin a pe lesson which should have been done outside because it was high impact it was done inside - mayb raining. they did it barefoot on a hard floor without mats. they had to do various activities for a minute at a time and write down how they felt when she did bunny hops she wrote my feet are hurtin when she got to star jumps she wrote my feet are really achin. from that day 7months ago she has been in chronic pain in the balls of both feet. she had damaged her sesamoid bones and the growth plate in both foot. when i saw dd2 head she said mayb dd2 had a preexisting condition she has had an mri and they have said its an impact injury. she is unable to walk far and it has made our life completley different - it breaks my heart i feel the school is totally responsible. what mum would tell their dd to go outside and jump on the concrete for minutes at a time - any comments

[caen]

I hope your DD is recovering r7.

I am a teacher and this thread has been educational for me. It would never have occurred to me not to allow barefoot children to do these activities and have never been trained re appropriate footwear. Thank you.

I think the problem is the hundreds of policies out there that teachers are often expected to know. Even if they are all read it is impossible to digest everything so extra training would be beneficial. I have received very little PE health and safety training and feel it necessary. On my uni course we had a gym session where we were allocated one child to two trainee teachers to teach handstands and rolling. Fine if you always have two teachers to hold one child but not particularly realistic with 30 children!

[raphael7]

the afpe guidelines are very extensive but schools choose not to follow the guidelines which would have had information on the correct footwear for outdoor/rugby which would definately not be plimsoles. It is important that schools are accountable for abiding by guidelines put in for the safety of children

[mary21]

Ds2's school recently did tag rugby in the rain and mud and some pupils were only wearing plimsoles. seems wrong that trainers at least arent compulsory for KS2

[raphael7]

Does anybody have problems with safety during their pe lessons i am going to visit the afpe soon and would welcome any comments

[raphael7]

An update the points below are from the apPE guidelines my daughter should have worn trainers ..............her injuries where avoidable

1. Chapter 24

a. 24.2.7

?.supportive footwear should be worn when performing high-impact and vigorous cardiovascular activities (eg skipping, star jumps, step ups)?


b. 24.2.14

?.careful thought should be given to the frequency, intensity and duration of exercise, particularly when working with prepubescent pupils. Factors associated with physiological immaturity and growth spurts place limits on training overloads?

1. Chapter 21

a. 21.2.3

?.footwear should be appropriate for the activity and in good repair, with appropriate support to prevent injury during high-impact activities.

1. Chapter 15

a. 15.2.6

?. Sprung or semi-sprung floors are most beneficial to physical-education programmes generally in order to protect lower limbs from damage by the absorption of impact energy. Where floors are not sprung, care should be taken with high-impact landings....

1. Chapter 14

a. 14.1.5, 14.2.6, 14.2.14

?.there are many forms of dance and some styles may require footwear. If the dance style is high impact, the footwear should have support to prevent injury?

[raphael7]

who is in charge of policy?

[alwayslookingforanswers]

actually Baaple/afpe are the same thing - afpe is just the amalgamation of baaple with peauk

[mrz]

afpe are a private professional association and are not in charge of policy

[alwayslookingforanswers]

actually just found the document that is referred to Dated 2009 and it states

"This policy and Guidance Document ? ?Safe Practice in Physical Education and School Sport? uses as its major source of information ?Safe Practice in Physical Education and School Sport? published in 2008 by the Association for Physical Education."

[cascade]

I dont know to be honest (PE teacher jugdement) When I trained 12 years ago you followed BAALPA. To be honest its just commen knowledge in PE circles.

[cascade]

The thing is r7 your investing alot of energy and anger that may simply not get you anywhere.
When you risk assess you try to limit the danger, but risk assessment cannot prevent it.

In gymnastics and dance we do alot of high impact work with bare feet, but the bigger risk is if the pupils where footwear there is a bigger risk of an accident.

99.9% of children will be fine with no footwear and your dd case is highly unusual.

If it was me I would try to get the school to change policy on footwear and they need a clear policy on what type of activity will require barefeet/trainers.

I hope this helps and Iwould be extremelly angry also and completely see where you are coming from.

[raphael7]

cascade where do your guidelines come from? are they from the school, the county or countrywide. Is it interpretation which decides the venue for the activity.

[raphael7]

It just needs to be from the afpe as they are now in charge of policy

[alwayslookingforanswers]

so the one from last year has overtaken the one from this year?

[raphael7]

just to clarify the afpe has taken over from the baaple so if you are using baaple guidelines please check that you have updated them to the afpe

[raphael7]

cascade there were no mats down and the activity was done barefoot. The other 3 classes of that year group did the activity outside. The reason my dd2 did the actvity inside was that it was raining that day. It was a group of activities that the children did to look at how activity effected their bodies and my dd2 wrote that her feet hurt then her feet where really aching. When my dd1 did the same lesson she did the activity outside. I think a number of teachers have posted on this thread due to the defensiveness of some of the posts which I cannot understand. In any other thread would the OP have to keep defending or explaining that their dd2 was hurt. The guidelines posted are wholly inadequate and I have contacted both the afpe and baaple as there seems to be a very grey area regarding what is suitable activity to be done inside barefoot. What made the activity my dd2 did to be ok outside with trainers but inside it was done barefeet. The activity was no different but the foot protection was. This should not happen to any child

[alwayslookingforanswers]

though that you children even get 45 minutes PE at school in one go. In YR3/4 they're still lucky to get 1/2hr at the absolute most by the time they're all changed, and have allowed time to get changed again.

[cascade]

Rapheal7 may I ask what is it that you want to achieve from this?

[raphael7]

Again it was circuit training over a 45 minute period. Her consultant has confirmed that she had no underlining problem and the injury was caused by high impact activity with barefoot. She was 8 years old. The point is they are `young' and thier bones have not calcified. The activity was done by the other 3 year group classes outside with foot protection my dd2 was done inside because it was raining. I have contacted the afpe and shall now contact the baaple. My dd2 had all the adequate footwear they were told to do it barefoot as they had to move the lesson inside

[cascade]

Im a PE teacher (secondary) and for safety reasons pupils participate in gymnastics and dance in bare feet. Pupils would never take part in circuit training or indoor games without trainers. I teach a lot of health related fitness and when we do circuit training all exercises are performed on a mat.

[bloss]

Message withdrawn

[raphael7]

The footware was unfortunately not compatible as it was high impact. If this is the only guideline above then it is wholly inadequate. If the activity had been assessed then my dd2 would have had adequate non-slip footwear. I am appalled that this is the only guidelines that teachers follow and it needs to be addressed. What is your experience of the 'Safe Practice in Physical Education and School Sport 2008' do you not use this

[mrz]

I am also a teacher and all guidance says bare feet indoors

SAFE PRACTICE IN PHYSICAL EDUCATION AND SCHOOL SPORT HS/ECS/039

DATED: JANUARY 2009

27.9 Clothing

Care should be taken that the clothing and footwear are compatible with the activity.

For reasons of safety children should:

indoors:-

i) be in bare feet or change into safe non-slip footwear;

baalpe (British association of advisers and lecturers in physical education) who provide guidance for the DCSF

" Work in bare feet is strongly recommended, provided the floor is clean and splinter free, since this will:"

I'm terribly sorry for your daughter's pain and obvious suffering.

[alwayslookingforanswers]

tbh I can't imagine the indoor plimsolls that 99% of kids seem to wear in PE being much good in terms of protection anyhow.

I remember using them at school, and I watch the kids here doing PE in them and it's not much different than trying to do PE in your slippers imo

[jomummy2]

I am a teacher and for all PE lessons our children are expected to bring indoor pumps and outdoor trainers in order to take part. Why wasn't she wearing indoors pumps?