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Exceeding??

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candlefloozy · 13/03/2019 18:32

Just got back from child's parents evening and they said that they will be pushing child to exceeding in reading and writing. What does this mean??

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candlefloozy · 23/03/2019 19:54

Interesting reading everyone's replies - thanks for those. I've always thought she was bright but never vocalised it to anyone as I just thought every parent thought that.
I had heard that there was such a massive difference between reception and ks1 too. Im just glad she's enjoying it.

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Helix1244 · 23/03/2019 17:28

Well yes so it's quite possible if you meet end of year targets very early they may not observe for that again to see if they are now exceeding.

I dont doubt the teachers are busy doing something. (But it certainly wasnt generally listening to reading).
However there certainly could be reasons to do with school progress measures etc.

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GreenTulips · 23/03/2019 10:43

And i probably should have challenged it. But obviously you cannot see how other dc are doing

What others achieve is irrelevant
They are individual targets not rated against class mates

The teachers will look and see who’s got most ticked and who hasn’t and will focus on those children to tick the targets

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 23/03/2019 10:36

I would take it all with a pinch of salt. EYFS curriculum currently doesn’t marry up with KS1 so the jump is huge-so you may find that she is at expecting in year 1-that doesn’t mean she’s falling behind or losing momentum, it is just that it is a big jump

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Myothercarisalsoshit · 23/03/2019 10:28

Helix Lazy teachers eh? 🤐

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Helix1244 · 22/03/2019 22:20

Whether dc get met/exceeded will largely depend on the effort the teachers put in to log the observations or listen to the dc reading.
My ds eyfs profile was extremely inaccurate. And i probably should have challenged it. But obviously you cannot see how other dc are doing. Magically they finally listened to them read in jun and moved up several levels. The vast majority of other obs were of the whole year group. So no knowledge if they individually did meet/exceed etc that activity. The other obs is obviously what they happen to see. Plus i dont like eyfs as i think there is a thing about them choosing independently. Well lots of kids do not choose to read/write even paint if they can play. I liken this to imagining that with an adult you would know if they speak another language without asking or if they can do alevel maths.
Obviously if a child goes in and is measured as meeting or even exceeding some targets they have fewer to tick off. If they go in far below a lot of work needs to be done in those 8m. (Something like 17 targets).
So summer children needto possibly progress from 30-50 to 40-60+.

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Yellowcar2 · 22/03/2019 12:18

LemonFritz no not at all some of my highest achievers are summer born and vice versa with low achievers. Even though generally summer borns achieve lower overall nationally when you look at individual classes it's very varied.

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LemonFritz · 22/03/2019 07:55

Yellowcar - do you find that that 35% (for each single area) generally comes from the autumn/ spring born children?

Thanks for sharing, it’s very interesting.

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Yellowcar2 · 22/03/2019 07:34

I teach year 1 and currently approximately 35% of pupils are exceeding although it varies slightly for each subject.

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LemonFritz · 22/03/2019 07:30

The teacher told me that around 2% of children are exceeding in all areas at the end of EYFS. I have been googling due to this thread and found a report:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/748814/EYFSP_2018_Main_Text.pdf

Apparently, it was 2.6% last year. Very interesting seeing the breakdowns by gender, etc.

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GreenerDarker · 22/03/2019 07:23

I assume reception because the OP thanked a PP for linking to a document that explains the ELGs at the end of Reception.

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Hollowvictory · 22/03/2019 07:11

@GreenerDarker you don't know the age if the child so how can you say what the expected or exceeding targets are? You've assumed recept but the op never said that.
Op they said they're pushing your child to exceeding which means they aren't currently exceeding but have the potential to do so.

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GreenerDarker · 22/03/2019 06:42

Yes.

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candlefloozy · 22/03/2019 06:36

Thanks for the replies. So basically she's doing well in reading and writing?

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grumpyyetgorgeous · 22/03/2019 06:19

Exceeding just means achieving more than the minimum expected standard, the bar is quite low hence its very common to be exceeding in all areas. As they go up the sch4it becomes more difficult in subjects that require talent rather than just effort eg art

@Hollowvictory
You are talking rubbish, if a child gets to age related they are doing well because the current national curriculum expectations are fairly challenging. The official figures showed (I think) around 10% of children reaching exceeding not 25%.

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GreenerDarker · 22/03/2019 06:01

Again, what hollowvictory is saying is not true.
Exceeding in writing is way above the expected minimum. It’s basically writing your own stories using correct spellings. The Expected minimum is writing a short sentence (no punctuation) using phonetically plausible spellings and the odd high frequency word.
Expected is a very wide bracket and pretty much covers everything in between the two above.
I have no idea where she’s getting that 25% figure from. Again not true.

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Hollowvictory · 21/03/2019 19:36

You'd expect about a quarter of the class to be exceeding.

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Hollowvictory · 21/03/2019 19:35

It's a wide range so could be either but it's expected rather than average. Could be a genius or could be just slightly above the expected minimum level. It's a wide range!

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candlefloozy · 21/03/2019 19:26

@SoyDora I meant that does it mean really high or just higher than average

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SoyDora · 20/03/2019 21:35

How could you not know that ‘exceeding’ is a good thing, if you know what the word ‘exceeding’ means?

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candlefloozy · 18/03/2019 16:05

Thanks for the further replies. I just didn't know what it meant. Obviously it seems like it's good. Which is great. It's not the sort of thing you can ask any other parents in her class either.

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GreenerDarker · 18/03/2019 08:22

Exceeding just means achieving more than the minimum expected standard, the bar is quite low hence its very common to be exceeding in all areas.

That’s not true. Exceeding achieving higher than the top of the expected range. And expected is a pretty wide bracket in some eyfs subject areas. It should be fairly unusual for a child to achieve exceeding in all areas.

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Hollowvictory · 18/03/2019 08:15

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LemonFritz · 18/03/2019 06:00

Teacher also told me DD4 is set to be exceeding in everything this year, so I don’t think it’s uncommon.

Lovely to hear, but nothing to get too excited about.

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LemonFritz · 18/03/2019 05:57

@ritzbiscuits My DS got exceeding for every element of the EYFS and I’m still not sure he did all of those things. He’s now in year 1 and I can’t always read his writing (his hand can barely keep up with his thoughts).

He’s perfect to me but I’m sure he’s nothing too special. Just a bog standard bright, September born. Perhaps it varies by school.