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Strange situation Pupil Premium Funding

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rackhampearl · 28/02/2019 23:35

Ok so this is gonna be a rather long post. My husband earns around 70k a year and I am a housewife. We live in West Yorkshire. We have two Children (7&3) 1 in Nursery and 1 in Year 2. When youngest started Nursery earlier on in 2018 about a month into her enrolment I was asked to sign a form because she had been granted some funding to help make nursery a better experience for her. They said that she had been the only child selected for this. I didn't know what this meant and just thought it was like a pot luck type system and they asked what I would like it to go towards. Still confused I said just do what you like with it, DD is 3, nursery is already fun for her. Didn't think anything of it and then at Christmas time a welfare officer phoned me and said that all the food collected at Harvest Festival was going to be turned into food hampers and donated back into the community and she would like DD (7) to have one. I was abit Hmm and said 'oh is it for families that struggle abit at Christmas because we have it all sorted' she said no not at all I just wanted to put DD name forward. This WO really likes DD so I just thought it could be that and didn't think much of it. When the Christmas Hamper arrived on 23rd we already had an abundance of Christmas stock so we advertised it on Facebook and it went back out to a family in the community. Forgot about it. Then in the last 2 month DD (7) has had letters home for her to join after school booster lessons in Maths and Reading. The Maths one i didn't think anything of because it doesn't seem to be her strongest subject but with the reading one I was like ??? She's 7 and she reads a whole lot of books, Jacqueline Wilson and Dahl, Rowling ect. She literally whizzes through books. So I thought surely this is a mistake, I'm always getting emails from the school about how good her reading is. So I took it to her teacher who couldn't really give me a straight answer when I asked if she was struggling. I said I'm concerned because it's looking to us like she's not performing at school like she is at home and would like to get to the root cause of it. She kind of palmed me off anyway and said she would talk to me at Parents Evening which was today. So i attended the meeting and a senior teacher saw me and said she understood that I had called in about the reading booster class (I didn't, I saw the teacher in the playground but just misunderstood) I said yes, I am confused and worried about DD performance at school if she needs all this extra help but obviously happy for her to attend I would just like to understand why her work is different at school. She went on to explain that she's not struggling at all! And that they get given a list of children who need extra attention and guidance and get funding allocated to them for these extra classes! They were often granted to children in underprivileged families. I was like ShockShock And then remembered the nursery thingwith DD (3) I said I was so baffled as to why my children were eligible for this as we don't even qualify for child tax credits, not in receipt of any benefits. She said she would look into this for me but I must have signed a form regarding PPF, I know this is impossible because I struggle to remember to fill in the most basic school forms (trips, school milk ect) I always end up calling the office and paying via phone/verbal consent. I'm really unorganised. I've been thinking about it all day. What does this mean? Has anyone else had this experience? How do I get my children's names off this system that believes they're eligible for this funding. We are happy to pay for what they need regarding education. And if I can contact whoever it is in the system will they be chasing us up for all the funding they've given for DDs? I'm so confused. Any advise would be so appreciated.

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PuppyMonkey · 01/03/2019 21:30

I’m a foster carer and our looked after children are entitled to pupil premium. There’s more info here OP. Not sure it helps your confusion!!GrinConfused

www.gov.uk/guidance/pupil-premium-information-for-schools-and-alternative-provision-settings

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rackhampearl · 01/03/2019 21:33

Yes! So sorry I forgot to update. The school and the nursery are both connected. Turns out when we moved from East Yorkshire to West Yorkshire and enrolled them into current school they failed to put my husbands national insurance number in the system or something so they just entered my national insurance which then went onto the system as me earning zero! Confused no wonder all this has been happening. I said I definitely put my husbands N.I on the form as he's the earner and they said yes, it was them that didn't input it. So confusing though, never knew they used NI numbers for schools. But anyway, I have to call up the 'government' to get it sorted I've been told Hmm Dreading the ball ache to be honest considering it wasn't my mistake but must be my comeuppance for being so rubbish with all the other forms Wink!

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Auntpetunia2015 · 01/03/2019 22:13

Oh no that’s not on you don’t have to call anyone it wasn’t your mistake it was theirs they should be the ones making all the phone calls. As a school admin it was my job to do this if I’d made such a mistake I’d be the one to try and rectify it and also take the hit for any backlash. This isn’t your mess to sort out it’s theirs. What exactly can you say to “the government” school decided i was poor and you’ve been giving them money to spend on her..! School need to sort this not you.

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Fairenuff · 01/03/2019 23:04

I wonder if they will expect the school to pay it back.

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Holidayshopping · 01/03/2019 23:29

I have never had to give NI numbers to the school?!

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Pud2 · 02/03/2019 08:29

That is very strange! School should sort it, not you.

Incidentally, there’s a difference between the free meals that reception and KS1 get (universal free school meals) and children who are entitled to free school meals. Those that are entitled is calculated on benefit entitlements and the school then receive Pupil Premium Grant for these children (as well as any child who is, or has been, in care).

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gallicgirl · 02/03/2019 17:10

Schools track students and they will definitely be able to tell you if DD is classed as a pupil premium student.
You only have to give nino for nursery funding and I know my council's form only asks for one nino anyway so it all sounds very strange.

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plum100 · 09/03/2019 15:30

Omg that will be a ball ache! I wouldn’t bother - seriously I used to deal with pp in the school office. It’s an error - not your error - I used to look at children’s records all the time and think how on earth are they PP - it is all reliant of people inputting info - so I’m sure mistakes happen all the time. - worrying really! If anyone asks have you sorted it just say no - you were expecting the school to do it and from a school perspective they won’t want you to tell the gov as they will stop getting the extra £1200 per year for your child . Just pretend it never happened - it’s not worth it

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Nat6999 · 09/03/2019 15:44

My DS qualifies for free school meals & pupil premium. His school have just been found out during an Ofsted inspection to be fiddling the pupil premium & not spending the money on the pupils it was meant to support. My DS doesn't spend his free school meal money, I pay in full for his school meals as I can afford to. After finding out what is happening to the funds, I'm seriously thinking of deregistering for free school meals if the money isn't getting spent on my son & others like him.

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Norestformrz · 09/03/2019 16:07

If you're registered for free school meals you're not paying for his lunch so where's the money going ?

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 09/03/2019 16:19

Pupil premium is also given if live in postcode area they class as deprived. I’m not saying you are, but have a friend who’s little girl gets it and they earn good money and own their home.

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yellowsun · 09/03/2019 16:59

Pupil premium is not allocated by postcode! To qualify for free school meals, you need to be on certain benefits. The school will get the PP money every year for 6 years, even if the child is no longer eligible for free school meals.

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yellowsun · 09/03/2019 17:01

Children in care are a separate funding stream.

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Holidayshopping · 09/03/2019 17:27

Pupil premium is also given if live in postcode area they class as deprived

That really isn’t true!

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SavoyCabbage · 09/03/2019 17:48

“Pupil premium is also given if live in postcode area they class as deprived“

That would be ridiculous!

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hazeyjane · 09/03/2019 17:58

Pupil premium is also given if live in postcode area they class as deprived

Um....it really isn't!!

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 09/03/2019 19:44

It’s called Mandatory supplement - Deprivation based on area but comes under EYPP

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 09/03/2019 19:45

This what I’ve been informed but hey I don’t have children in preschool anymore

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Lolalaal · 09/03/2019 19:53

All my kids were PP kids (now they’re ever 6 so they still get PP funding).

I can categorically state non of it has ever been personally spent on them. We always paid for trips, music tuition and anything else which needed buying.

I’ve looked at the schools PP spending and most of it seems to go on non teaching time for senior staff to track PP kids..

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 09/03/2019 19:58

I must state that what I’ve posted is only for 3&4 year olds in nursery or preschool not in school.

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Norestformrz · 10/03/2019 04:52

It's not Pupil Premium it's part of the calculation for school funding calculations (although it may cease with the fairer funding formula) Schools in areas of high deprivation receive a slightly higher per pupil allocation I value

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 10/03/2019 08:25

I believe EYPP is different from PP and how it’s allocated is down to local authorities. Look at this nursery for example

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StealthPolarBear · 10/03/2019 08:31

How odd!

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Norestformrz · 10/03/2019 09:20

I value the criteria for EYPP

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 10/03/2019 11:00

Maybe I was thinking of IDACI then

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