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Coping with a culture clash - sorry for length

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Dankemumma · 22/08/2018 15:22

We are struggling with the school we chose 2 years ago. Raise your hand if it’s normal when...

  1. You apply to your child’s prospective school in March 2014. They advise you he’ll be eligible to enrol in 2015. You move to the borough where the school is located in Feb 2015. You contact the school in March 2015. No word. April, no word. May, you’re told that you’ve been passed over, and your child won’t be able to enrol. In the meantime, you’ve left a neighbourhood you liked, all your child’s friends, and his lovely former school. You receive no apology and no explanation. Another family experiences the same dilemma. They pay £3,000 in deposit to another school, only to be awarded a place the week before classes begin. They accept the offer, only to lose £3,000.


  1. You are finally called to interview for admission in January 2016. The school is run by another country’s ministry of education, and teaching is in another language. Your husband is in South Africa for work. He can’t make the interview, so you take your child. He’s fearful, fretful, and apprehensive. The woman conducting the interview starts a rapid-fire monologue in a language you don’t speak, directed at the child, who responds by hiding under a chair. She quickly deflates, as people tend to do when running on slightly manic enthusiasm, and utters the verdict: “Well, his [language] doesn’t seem to be very good, so I don’t know if there’s much point.” In front of him. Mic drop. You get home, and write a message to the lady in question, cc’ing your husband: under no circumstances would you enrol a child at this school. You receive an offer of admission the same week - by apology? Your husband speaks to the school and assures you this is a fluke. You’re deeply sceptical. But you accept.


  1. The instructions for the first year of school arrive entirely in another tongue. You have been told many times the school is proud to host children from around the world. You have been assured all documents are translated. You decide to give them the benefit of the doubt.


  1. The first year of school begins with a vicious campaign of bullying. The youngest boy of the class is routinely targeted. The oldest boy in the class instructs all the others not to play with him. The youngest is your son’s best friend. This little one is going home to his mum, crying. You speak to the school. They don’t offer any opinion.


  1. You speak to the mother of the little one, it turns out she’s another non-native, divorced from his dad. The school has only sent enrolment forms to his dad, and not to her. She is therefore not listed as the boy’s mother with the school. Stunningly, they refuse to acknowledge she is his legal guardian. It takes her weeks to persuade the school that her son is, in fact, her child. She describes it as a nightmare.


  1. You continue to hear stories of bullying. You speak to the mother of the boy playing ringleader. She sends you an email featuring CAPS LOCK curses and expletives. She accuses you of being in a loveless marriage, being “pathetic” because you are a Stay-at-Home-Mum, etc. You respond that you’re not auditioning for a telenovela. The next day she confronts you in the cubby room, in front of the children, and shouts that she is going to the police. You tell her to go right ahead. She does. The police recommend you avoid her. You do. You ask the school for help — again. They make no response. At all.


  1. Cut to a year later: one enterprising and driven parent puts together an anti-bullying presentation of a programme used in 90% of schools in Finland, called KiVa, which, in Finnish, means, “kind.” The presentation is at 8pm on a weekday. About 200 parents attend. Four teachers have been charged with implementing the programme on a trial basis. None of them turns up. A roomful of parents express dismay: “At least one of them could have been here,” someone says, audibly. The headmaster is present and assures you they are all very busy.


  1. You make it through the year as best you can. In the last week of school, you arrive one morning and find another boy, in your son’s class, doubled over behind a parked car. He’s clutching his face, he’s bright red and hyperventilating, sobbing, and traumatised. You drop your bike and run towards him, asking, “What happened?!” He tells you: another boy hit him. A different bully, this time. You take him to the infirmary. Your son is trailing behind you, trying to help, “Don’t worry, it will be ok!” The lady at the desk literally jumps out of her seat, grabs the boy, and asks, “What happened?” He tells her. They summon his mum to come back to school and get him. He’s sent to get medical help. You write to both mothers, the same message, word for word, but send it separately. You say, “these things can happen when the kids are unsupervised.” You note that the nanny who was supposed to be watching the boy who attacked the other kid was sitting a few feet away, but noticed nothing. That boy’s parents’ response is to send you several angry emails enjoining you to let the school do its job and stop meddling. You counter that the school was closed, & the doors were locked. The father in question demands to see you the following day. You decline another ugly schoolyard confrontation in front of the children.


  1. This family throws a birthday party at which children aged 6-7 are crossing a busy road between a church hall and a park opposite, unsupervised. You take one look and started sprinting for the road. Get there in time. Your son looks up with a furrowed brow, and observes, “Mummy, it’s not safe.”


10. The next year begins, fall 2017. This time, another set of instructions arrive, six pages, single-spaced, no translation. The school prides itself on being international. You let it go. After the ordeal you’ve been through, you just don’t want to be seen to complain.

11. The kids transfer to the big campus, which means that parents are not allowed to walk them to school. They share this campus with everyone between 6-18. A lot of them are a lot more apprehensive than they were going to pre-school. In the first week, you see a young boy in your child’s class being escorted onto campus by his grandparents; he has only arrived in England a few weeks beforehand. A young girl, who does not speak the language his grandparents do, is physically attempting to obstruct their efforts to walk him to his class. She is instantly defensive and pointlessly belligerent. This sort of encounter is particularly painful for parents to witness, given the school’s policy of appointing students who are teenagers themselves, to make sure that parents do not walk their children to school. The child is clearly distressed. Later in the year, your child is late coming out of karate, as are most other children. You have to pick up his bicycle from the racks at the back of the campus. The gate has been locked. You dash to the front gate before that, too, can be locked, and ask the young man supervising if you might cross the campus to collect the bike, so it isn’t locked in over the weekend. He is in conversation with a teacher. Both of them gave you quite a stern look and a dismissive speech about rules, etc. Your son is witnessing all of this.

12. Another mother reports to you that she has spent the entire year attempting - without success - to contact her son’s class teacher on email. He’s in another section of the same year. She is a native speaker. She is not able to attend office hours because she works full time. She has sent her au pair into the primary school in person to follow up on regular occasions. She is also a native speaker. The au pair has come to you independently to report that she has been made to feel unwelcome. It is hard to see why this should be the case.

13. Despite many pledges to the contrary, translations are the exception that proves the rule. There is a weekly newsletter in which all sections are bilingual, except those that apply to the primary school. You contact the woman in charge of this weekly report, and ask her to have it translated. There are 870 students, many bilingual. There are 1,740 parents, many bilingual. Many have offered to help. She ignores you. You write again. She ignores you. Again. Same. You write, on the last day of school, to inform her that you are filing a formal complaint. Two weeks later, she gets back to you, to state that due to time constraints, nothing will change.

14. Discontent is brewing. Another mother writes, in an email to 39 other parents: “It is disappointing though to hear that the school leadership believes that the format where spoken [language] is used in the parents’ evening ‘works well,’ on what basis do they say that? Have they done any parents’ survey? Personally, I left the parents’ meeting in the beginning of year feeling alienated, confused and excluded from my daughter’s education.” In a feat of unintended comedy, the bills sent out to parents are in English.

15. Children in year 1 of primary school are assigned homework on a daily basis. At no time throughout the entire year have we been given any information about our children’s homework assignments. One little boy was told by his parents to put his name on his assignments. He countered, in innocence, that it didn’t matter, because no one checked them. And yet, every day that I passed the school on my bicycle, I ran into my son’s class teacher, riding at the neighbouring polo club. The school has yet to respond to this point, which has been raised, many times, by a number of parents.

16. The school continues to insist that their method is designed to make children independent. Parents were not told whether they were allowed to attend the Easter Assembly, We were not told whether we were allowed to attend Sports Day. Parents in another class received a message one night at 10pm, asking them to send children into school the following day in pirate costumes. This prompted disbelief and exasperation, since none had pirate costumes handy lying around at home. At a charity run to raise money for refugees, we were told our class would run last. As it transpired, they ran first. Several parents registered dismay.

17. Faced with the foregoing debacles, I raised a number of concerns, in a series of emails, to the school. I cc’d all the parents in our class. The school’s only response, was to threaten to expel my son. This is what we were told in a meeting with the headmaster, the morning of the end-of-year picnic. The reason we were given, is that a number of parents complained about my emails. The husband of our designated class representative — a lady who did little by way of representing us — called me “disgusting” in an email circulated to the parents of all my son’s friends. I went to the picnic afterwards and sat at the edge of the field and watched the kids play. We contacted Ofsted before, and afterwards. They responded the same day.

18. We have written to the head of the primary school. She has yet to acknowledge us. We’ve never met her.

19. Another mother pointed me toward a review of the school on another site, called “Check-a-School”. The title? “Avoid.” That might be apt, if my son were willing. He’s sadly reluctant.

20. My husband and I finally have a huge fight. My point to him? If this is what it means to be from his country, I don’t want my son to learn to behave this way. We’ve looked at other schools in the area. There is a British state primary 5 minutes from us, directly adjacent to the school we attend. The cosmic irony is, it bears a plaque at the entrance, proclaiming that the school “was destroyed by enemy action in 1943.”

21. I am in the midst of writing a book about Brexit, and why the British, faced with obvious economic loss and potential catastrophe, are still adamant about leaving the EU. I began work on it at Deutsche Bank, first in New York, then in London. What began as an economic analysis, became a human interest story. All of the faults that Brexiteers have attributed to Brussels, exist in microcosm at the school: unaccountable officials, a lack of transparency, and contempt for differing opinions. Yet we are the people to whom the school is ultimately accountable.

22. What appeared to be a utopian project, involving happy children, low fees, and commuters on bicycles, has become a saga in which pre-schoolers have been bullied; families like ours have been threatened for speaking out; and class teachers have been observed riding at the Polo Club, yet do not grade homework. I think this story is ripe for reporting, if only to compel the school to step outside its bubble, and take some accountability for its relationship with us, the people to whom it sends its bills, who have entrusted it with our children.
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MerryMarigold · 24/08/2018 13:33

Jelly, there is no crossing out on the OP I can see. Just a loooooot of 'issues' from only one point of view.

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Witchend · 24/08/2018 14:17

Is this a setting for a murder mystery story or something?

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blueskiesandforests · 24/08/2018 15:14

This would make so much more sense if instead of trying to be cagy @Dankemumma had just said outright that she's talking about a German school run by the German government for German children in London.

From rereading subsequent posters' post that must be what it is.

It's a pretty unique situation but also one with a very clear and obvious solution. There is indeed a culture clash, but possibly the most important one is between Dankemumma and her DH.

A DH problem not a school problem, perhaps? Is he refusing to consider the blindingly obvious solution of putting DC into the local state primary?

Plenty of us manage to bring up fully bilingual children successfully without using international or private schools.

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jellycat1 · 25/08/2018 11:36

@MerryMarigold That's so weird. For me Points 7 to halfway through 17 (bloody hell!) are crossed out. Anyway you're right. I'm out!

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brilliotic · 25/08/2018 12:34

Several posters have said about not being able to translate everything into all minority languages. Thing is, if this is indeed the German School, the question is about providing important info in English, as promised, or only in German, as seems to be happening. Providing translations into the local language i.e. English is a different thing to providing translations into one or several 'minority' languages IMO. I would expect any school in England to provide English language info - even foreign language schools. Anything else would be exclusionary to any non-German speaking parents and kind of implies that the school only really wants all-German families, and will do nothing to include non-German spouses.

I happen to know that this particular school has had exactly this reputation for a while. That it is basically ideal for (all-) German families, families that have more or less temporarily moved away from Germany but whose kids have been born in Germany, perhaps begun their schooling in Germany, and might very well return to Germany at some point.
That in contrast, local bi-national families choosing the school to reinforce the German whilst essentially being British families with a German mum or dad have always felt a bit sidelined. Also Austrian and Swiss families.

From all the points you list, OP, I suppose some are indeed down to different cultural expectations, but others have nothing to do with culture but are simply signs of a badly run school. Things like not being able to reach a teacher, not getting calls returned, ineffective dealing with bullying, you can encounter these things at any badly run English state school, they have nothing to do with 'culture'.
Usually if at an unsatisfactory school you would walk away - but there are some things that only this school can offer you (perhaps that's why they can afford to be the way they are) so you have to sit down with your husband, explain exactly what the problems are and what effects it is having on you and your child, and decide together how to move forward.

Perhaps this will mean leaving all communications with the school to your husband, and intentionally finding ways to include you and your child more into the local English community.
Perhaps it will mean leaving the school and figuring out other ways to support your child's German language and culture.

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ScattyCharly · 25/08/2018 13:02

I think I would consider leaving the country.

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ScattyCharly · 25/08/2018 13:03

And I don’t mean that flippantly.

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blueskiesandforests · 25/08/2018 13:20

Scatty why would an English speaker leave England because of problems with a private German school in London? Rather less dramatic to just change school, and equally effective.

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wurzelburga · 25/08/2018 14:52

@blue - we are all deducing that op is talking about DSL. OP has not said this and I am not sure it is obvious to other readers of the OP. I suspect Scatty thinks this is a school outside the UK.

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FlibbertyGiblets · 25/08/2018 15:09

There was reference made to Finnish or Finland so maybe Scadiwegian? Can't tell.

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Norestformrz · 25/08/2018 15:21

"We’ve looked at other schools in the area. There is a British state primary 5 minutes from us, directly adjacent to the school we attend. " so is this school in the U.K.?

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DamnCommandments · 25/08/2018 19:49

@Dankemumma what do you need to achieve? Do you want to move your son?

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TJsAunt · 28/08/2018 11:27

Wow - trawled through it all. Some of the stuff is not great (bullying, lack of translations) but some of it (teacher riding a horse, unsafe childcare at a party) is nothing at all to do with the school.

And - it does seem that all the parents are reacting in quite a negative way to you. Now it could be that they are all arrogant idiots - or it could reflect your approach to it all? Constantly emailing in complaints and copying everyone in - or choosing to berate bully's parents without having actually witnessed the incident yourself - these are not positive strategies to resolve concerns and conflicts?

If you are so unhappy with the school then move your son. He's young enough that he doesn't get a say in this IMO. A clean slate might be good for all of you.

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NellyBarney · 30/08/2018 00:16

I can see how you are suffering culture shock. I spent many of my school years in Germany so when I moved to the US as a teenager, was blown away by the experience that teachers and administrators actually cared about their pupils and parents. I later moved back to Germany and studied for a teaching qualification. I didn't last long as I could not buy into the philosophy of it. It was, and still is, all about reducing the teacher to a medium of instruction. Every form of focusing on the behaviour, feelings etc of pupils was seen as not only nonessential but actually as authoritarian, ideological or even oppressive. The pedagogical ideal was to let the children be responsible for their behaviour and feelings and to let them learn how to cope with everything by themselves, without any adult assistance, from bullying to homework. German schools also still expect all primary school pupils to make their own way to school even if this involves using the underground and crossing busy roads by themselves. Some non-Germans see it as a wonderful example of free range child rearing. I experienced it as an initiation into a dog-eats-dog culture in which only the greatest bully/the one with the most authority survives unscathed. My dc are now at English schools in the UK and I couldn't be happier. No school is perfect but I genuinely think that the UK has one of the most wonderful education systems in the world with the most dedicated teachers. I wouldn't give it a miss if I were you.

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