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A mum just told me yr 5 sex ed is explicit and she was gutted

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PartyFants · 18/08/2016 18:16

Title says it all, her dc is going into year 6, mine is going into year 5. Different schools though, if it matters. She warned me to check the sex ed material before they learn it as she was gutted when she heard how explicit it was, apparently many parents complained.

I'm not a prude, I'm happy for them to learn age appropriate stuff, eggs, sperm, erections, wet dreams etc but he's not a streetwise kid, he's so innocent and sweet I don't like the thought of him having to learn about extra bits like for example oral sex (or whatever she meant by explicit, we didn't discuss specifics) I've only just got him to stop drinking the bath water "because there's bottom germs in there" Confused

I'm a bit spooked, anyone with a year 6 or above child who can give me their experience with the module, please?

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madgingermunchkin · 23/08/2016 17:48

mrstina not only do Scandinavian countries and sex ed blow your claims part, but if children are taught "below the waist and above the thigh is absolutely off limits to anyone but parents or a doctor in the presence of parents" then that is going to make any child being abused by their parent think that it is acceptable because they have been taught this by school.

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Haggisfish · 23/08/2016 16:10

www.fpa.org.uk/news/fpa-responds-latest-teenage-pregnancy-data-england-and-wales?platform=hootsuite
Sex and relationship education still isn't compulsory and will be very patchy.

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Haggisfish · 23/08/2016 16:08

Actually stis are increasing most in the over 50s.

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corythatwas · 23/08/2016 15:59

So mrstina, could you explain why the UK (always more reticent in these matters) has consistently had higher rates of teen pregnancy than the Scandinavian countries where state-sponsored sex education has been the norm for roughly 60 years? Also why rates of teen pregnancies have decreased since sex education was introduced in UK schools?

And most importantly, could you show me a single example of a school encouraging children to have sex (as opposed to informing them that it is illegal until the age of 16)? Just one will do. I am sure the police would be interested.

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mrstina · 23/08/2016 13:05

Plenty of statistics demonstrate that the age people have their first sexual intercourse is decreasing, that contraceptive use is increasing, no statistics seem to be kept for morning after pill usage in the U16s. Sexually transmitted infections continue to rise as a whole and in general.

This is easily searchable on google.

It seems people are fooled into thinking teenage pregnancy = / is proportional to teenage sexual intercourse.

It also seems that when this is pointed out, it creates resentment/illogical arguments.

Sex education has failed to reduce risky sexual activity and it is unnecessary to teach such things at school. It is part of the permissive society that actually leads to the problems it seeks to solve.

All the arguments in favour of it have denied the key statistics that demonstrate its failure and then resort to a dogmatic ('religious') form of argument.

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Believeitornot · 22/08/2016 16:47

On the second count, this could easily be reached by telling children the area below the waist and above the thigh is absolutely off limits to anyone besides parents and a doctor in the presence of parents
What? Can you not even give this area its proper name

And what on earth are you talking about re paedophilia? You clearly have no idea.

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 22/08/2016 16:09

Encouraging sexual activity in children will lead to an increase in paedophilia and sexual activity in children.

Who is encouraging sexual activity?

Education doesn't encourage sexual activity, education means you are less likely to engage in sexual activity at a younger age.

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eyebrowsonfleek · 22/08/2016 11:07

Mrstina - There's never encouragement to have sex in primary school sex ed. They make it clear that sex is for adults in a relationship. Most primary school children are at the stage where the word fart makes them giggle and wouldn't touch a pair of clean underwear made for the other sex if you paid them in chocolate.

Words related to sex are often bandied around the playground at this age. I think it's crucial that adults explain things like gay relationships are a form of normal relationship and not to be used as an insult.

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BertrandRussell · 22/08/2016 10:49

Sorry-just noticed "pre consent age" - I thought we were talking about primary school children?

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titchy · 22/08/2016 10:47

Oh and sex ed reduces sexual activity of children by the way.

Sex ed or lack of do not lead to an increase in paedophile activity either - to assume it does is to blame the victim. Nice.

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titchy · 22/08/2016 10:45

Pre-consent age children - do you mean 15 year olds then? Or are you talking about the topic of this thread which is about primary age kids?

Assuming the latter, where on earth has anyone said 9 and 10 year olds should be given free condoms and abortions with out their parent knowledge?

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BertrandRussell · 22/08/2016 10:43

"Periods are not a new development in human evolution, saying that pre consent age children need graphic descriptions of sexual intercourse/acts and to be given free condoms/free abortions without parental consent because of periods is utterly illogical."

Has anyone actually said anything of the sort?

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mrstina · 22/08/2016 10:24

'Sex education is needed because 1 person killed themselves after commencing their periods'

'Sex education is needed because of child abuse'

Periods are not a new development in human evolution, saying that pre consent age children need graphic descriptions of sexual intercourse/acts and to be given free condoms/free abortions without parental consent because of periods is utterly illogical.

I would also assume that such an argument would also be in favour of banning abortion (a medical procedure) because at least one woman has died because of it.

On the second count, this could easily be reached by telling children the area below the waist and above the thigh is absolutely off limits to anyone besides parents and a doctor in the presence of parents.

Encouraging sexual activity in children will lead to an increase in paedophilia and sexual activity in children.

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bangingmyheadoffabrickwall · 20/08/2016 22:55

I'm a teacher.

I would SERIOUSLY question any person who says that oral sex is routinely discussed and on the school curriculum at ANY primary school. I would be taking what they say with a pinch of salt and wondering if they have been told this by their 'reliable' 10 year old who says it was discussed, but actually mean 'they talked about it or heard it through the grapevine on the school playground'.

At primary school, children at the age of 10 are taught about how their body changes during puberty and yes, this includes wet dreams because that IS what young boys are soon going to experience soon after their 'sweet and innocent age of 10' and puberty happens between the ages of 9 and 17. Some girls I know start at age 8 and they do need to know what is going to happen to their bodies BEFORE it starts rather than AFTER when they have freaked out because they have went to the toilet and discovered blood in their knickers!

No matter how immature or sweet or innocent your child is, these things will happen. Nobody knows when but it is better for them to be prepared and knowledgeable about it being a very normal, natural change in their lives.

Not telling them is NOT protecting them. You will do more harm than good and rather they receive information in a controlled, calm manner over a period (no pun intended!) of time so their minds can adjust and form and ask questions that they want the answers to.

IMO, if a child asks about mastrubation or oral sex, then answers need to be given in an age appropriate manner even if that means asking questions to determine what they mean and where they heard it to understand the context of why it being asked BEFORE giving them the answer.

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blinkowl · 20/08/2016 22:19

Poor planning! For anyone who hasn't done this talk yet, sod the books, you will need at least wine in, if not gin.

Grin

Sage advice, thanks!

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blinkowl · 20/08/2016 22:19

Poor planning! For anyone who hasn't done this talk yet, sod the books, you will need at least wine in, if not gin.

Grin

Sage advice, thanks!

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Mycatsabastard · 20/08/2016 22:12

Oh bless your six year old looking for the baby hole!

FWIW my 10 year old is going into year 6. She has the sex stuff at school last year, really didn't want to talk about it much but did say 'the boys were silly, they giggled any time the teacher said vagina'. And then she rolled her eyes a bit.

She's so young for her age too, she's in the middle of the autism diagnosis process at the moment and seems to be quite behind socially but picks up on facts easily and and is very 'matter of fact'.

Although two years ago she picked up a book about the human body in a charity shop and I bought it for her as she was interested. We then went to a large boat yard to sort out something for the lifeguard club we belong too, left the DD's in the car - windows open - and heard DD2 (aged 8) gleefully shouting out 'mummy! It say's PENIS in this book!' at mega volume right across the yard.

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Yestotallyunreasonable · 20/08/2016 22:09

Paryfants Wine for you.

You did great.

(You'll probably need to have this chat lots more times in different ways but the floodgates sound opened now! Wink )

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SolomanDaisy · 20/08/2016 22:03

We live in the Netherlands and my five year old has already started sex education. He has a pretty good understanding of the basics and they also talk about relationships at the same time. When he's had more detailed questions (I'm pregnant), we answer them in an age appropriate way at home too. No one is embarrassed, there's no loss of innocence.

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Temporaryanonymity · 20/08/2016 22:02

We already knew this stuff in J4s (old school year 6) from reading Jilly Cooper...

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PartyFants · 20/08/2016 21:56

Hi, op here, I thought you might like an update as my books finally arrived: Who's Got What? and Mummy Laid An Egg.

The Who's Got What one is for very young children, but it was good for them all to read because it named their parts and had a very simple cartoon showing what they look like. We've always used words like bits and willy (don't lecture me, I know how MN feels about those words but as I said, he used to have no idea of appropriate places and times to talk about such things so it was useful back then not to get too excruciatingly technical! I do remember him asking an old lady at the bus stop if she had a willy, that was bad enough) so I read that with them last night.

Then today at bedtime I talked through Mummy Laid an Egg with him, and my youngest wandered upstairs so she got the story too. That was useful because she asked for the whole thing to be repeated afterward, so although he had no questions the first reading, after the second (where he really concentrated) he asked a couple of really astute questions like if girls have a vagina and a uterus the same as ladies, can children get pregnant, and I said no it wasn't possible until they are teenagers (I didn't cover puberty/periods yet) and that children don't come together like the parents in the story did, that it's only for grown ups. So he asked if teenagers could get pregnant and I said yes, so he said "that means that you can't have a relationship til you're an adult then, so you don't have a baby when you're still in high school" and I said there were ways not to get pregnant - he said "surgery?" (I think because we talked about spaying/neutering animals recently) and I very briefly explained about condoms. Phew!

So, still lots to explain but I felt that was as much as needed to be said tonight. He coped well, with only slight red cheeks when I told him they'd be discussing this in school at some point. "Oh come on, that's embarrassing!" He thoroughly enjoyed the book and it's blatant silliness - my children are very silly! Humour is the way forward with them.

Oh god and then I went through it all again with my six year old who has no natural shyness at all yet, she really understood the concept way more than him and was soon yanking pyjamas off trying to have a look at "the baby hole" which she said she thought you grew when you were a grown up. I declined a look, thanks, spoke about bodies being private and belonging just to her, then put her to bed, kissed her goodnight and headed downstairs for a stiff drink. To find there is no booze in the house, of any description. Sad

Poor planning! For anyone who hasn't done this talk yet, sod the books, you will need at least wine in, if not gin.

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seven201 · 20/08/2016 21:42

Apologies for my typos, I've had Wine

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seven201 · 20/08/2016 21:41

I had a year 9 tutor group and we covered sex education. According to a parent complaint my lessons were too graphic! She thought her daughter was too young for sex ed - she had missed the consent opt out letter so it was too late. She also raised the very valid point that at break and lunch the students all talked about sex and had some vastly incorrect ideas about things. Do speak to your son about rumours not always being correct.

I used to have a year 13 tutor group of mainly boys who all claimed to be shagging all the time! Watching them putting condoms on the dildos was bloody terrifying! Big Air bubbles, upside down, the lot! I also had to pretend to be chlamidia in that session, as instructed by the nurse Grin

Sex ed is by far my favourite pshe topic to teach. The looks of disgust when you explain what oral sex is priceless. There are still plenty of completely unknowing teenagers out there as the questions they put in the secret questions box always show it.

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eyebrowsonfleek · 20/08/2016 21:23

I didn't know the story about why the Samaritans was founded. How sad. Sad
Not teaching a child about periods reminds me of the movie Carrie when she freaks out over period blood. She was obviously a teen so should have known earlier but if you didn't know about periods I can get why you'd freak out. Periods are a normal bodily function like getting hairy. Whilst I can understand that it's hard to start a conversation about sex, periods aren't that hard to talk about. (I'm talking about NT KIDS HERE)

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lougle · 20/08/2016 21:14

I do understand where you're coming from PartyFants. My DD1 is 10.8 but cognitively about 5. She's got her first pubic hair and I explained it all to her. I've always been very open with my children about sexual development.

I thought I had it covered until she announced it in the car! I then had to reiterate that while it's nothing to be ashamed of, we don't tend to talk about private stuff in public.

Today DD said to me "isn't it strange that I'm getting a lady body when I'm just like a little girl on the inside still Mum?" Which sums it up. She's barely like a 5 year old emotionally but still having to deal with bodily changes.

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