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Appeal on Monday for son with no school place at all for 6 months. Help pls!

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badgermama · 02/09/2014 12:22

Hello lovely folk, all help appreciated. We moved at the end of March this year to an area where all the primary schools are full. The council have been no help and offered no school place so I have had my 5 year old year R son at home for 6 months trying to educate him whilst taking care of his two year old sister. During this time we have gone from no 2 on the waiting list for our catchment school to number 9. The Head told me it would probably be Juniors before he gets a place.

We have an appeal on Monday and any hints would be appreciated. We spoke to the admissions dept at the council today who gave us lots of information I am sure is wrong eg we think he may fit under fair access protocol as he has been unplaced and the council said FAP doesn't apply to secondary. They also said that he had not been out of school for 6 months as it counts per year so he has only been unplaced for one day (?!).

They also said that the council are setting up a room in a school four miles away till Xmas where all the year R and 1 children who are unplaced in the area can go, with no plans for after Xmas. I can't drive due to a visual problem and would struggle to get him there and feel reluctant to put a nervous 5 year old in a taxi. My son is also very able and was taught on his own for much of the time at his last school as his literacy especially was so far in advance of the other 90 children in the year so the thought of him being in a class with possibly mostly younger children concerns me. He used to come home weeping with boredom from the last school and I can't help feeling that stimulation might not be great in this interim holding classroom. The council official also told me they did not have him on their list as unplaced for some reason so had not got him on the list for this temporary classroom set up, I have no idea why they would not class him as unplaced as we have all the documentation in place to show we applied and are unplaced and an appeal date.

I am sorry to ramble. It had been an exhausting year and I really want to do right by my son and feel pretty hopeless about the appeal at the moment.

thank you to anyone who has stuck with this!

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MyFirstName · 08/09/2014 08:06

Good luck today. And remember, you have been brilliant and, from what we can see on here, you are a great mother. Your DCs will do well whichever school they end up in with you behind them. I do hope you get the school you want.

Will chill some Wine for later for you!

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WinifredTheLostDenver · 08/09/2014 08:09

Good luck!

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Pooka · 08/09/2014 08:15

Good luck today. Horrible situation for you. Fingers crossed that all goes well.

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Clarinet9 · 08/09/2014 14:44

Came on to see what had happened but I am a bit early!

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badgermama · 08/09/2014 15:56

Meeting over. My partner attended. He said it is hard to tell. He thinks they looked a bit shocked at times but really can't tell. We have been told they will let us know in writing by the end of the week. gulp.

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badgermama · 08/09/2014 16:01

If nothing else as I watched my partner walk up the road to the bus stop to go to the appeal, with his bag full of notes and best Perry Mason face on, I realised that one thing I have done damn well in life is pick a father for my children. He defends these babies like a silverback gorilla...

Now I have to manage a week with my son of being positive about being home whilst raising gentle thoughts about school. Bonkers, bonkers, bonkers.

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NynaevesSister · 08/09/2014 16:05

I am going to be waiting on tenterhooks with you OP! Did he get in all the points you raised? What did the council say in their presentation? Did they put forward any of their inaccuracies?

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badgermama · 08/09/2014 16:07

Again...I don't have words for how grateful we are to the people on this board. The general support has been so great, but also the completely amazing individuals who spent hours this weekend helping us put our paperwork together, even mailing us suggestions at quarter to midnight when they had spotted other errors in what had been done. Your service to the community here is just so wonderful and no matter what happens we could not have got through this weekend without you.

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badgermama · 08/09/2014 16:08

Don't know yet Nyn, buses are four a day so he won't be home for a bit! Will try to update later.

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 08/09/2014 16:24

Good luck, Badger :)

Sometimes I wonder whether these people have any concept of the impact this all has on the child.

I had to deal with a stupid bureaucrat once, we had moved to a new area, applied, spoke to the headteacher who said there would be no problem, and then heard nothing back from the LA. Called them, they had lost my application including the only proof of address I had for the dcs. They asked for a new form and new proof. I scrabbled around looking for it, they then told me there was no way the dcs would be going to school in September as there was no time to sort it. At best they promised to call me the day they should have started school to let me know one way or the other.

I phoned the headteacher in tears, explained what had happened, and luckily she said, "I don't care what the LA say, as far as I'm concerned I'll be meeting you and the dcs at 8.50 on the first day of school to sort uniform and introduce them to their new friends."

Thank goodness for the sanity (she was rather wonderful and unorthodox).

I got a phone call two days after they had started to let me know it was fine for the dcs to start school Hmm

I can't imagine dealing with such idiots for months on end.

I think I was partly very lucky to be dealing with a very well respected headteacher, who was nearing retirement and was more than happy to deal with the consequences of her actions.

I truly hope you get a good result and your ds is very happy in his new school.

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springrain · 08/09/2014 22:31

Good luck from me too - have been totally horrified by what you have been through. Hopefully someone from LA will have the decency to call you to give you the news more quickly than waiting for the fully typed up letter with all the boiler plate in it, it is the least they can do and everyone will be gobsmacked if you don't win.

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Clarinet9 · 09/09/2014 03:06

Oh sounds good if they looked shocked

(my own experience of a school appeal was a complete joke and the panel seemed to know less about the rules than I did and I am hardly an expert)

however I hope you get some good news soon

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badgermama · 09/09/2014 10:07

You are such lovely people.

Don't want to get our hopes up but there were positives.
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  • The LA were represented by an independent consultant who clearly thought it was a cut a dried 'we don't want to travel case'.

Repeatedly the panel asked him for evidence and paper work that he didn't have.
-they were clearly unhappy that we had never deregistered for home ed but been treated as if we had and then not placed because if it despite being on a waiting list and the HOme ed consultant putting at the top if his report 'they are waiting for school placement'
-they checked FAP guidelines and said the council had given us information in writing that was incorrect /unlawful
-they acknowledged that at the time we applied the school had an extra teacher so could have taken him (but had said in their rejection letter that they were full)
-the above doesn't matter anyway as he fitted the excepted child rules
-the council had clearly made no offers to us since we moved and had not considered us as unplaced


Probably most importantly they looked it up and said he fitted the excepted rule as he had no place after moving house within a reasonable distance.

As people said the panel were very nice and approachable and although thee were some things they clearly had to double check they made sure that they did check all relevant guidelines.

Anyone reading this who is worried about an appeal meeting, my partner said the meeting wasn't as bad as he thought it would be.
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Liney15 · 09/09/2014 10:19

Really hoping you hear good news soon.

It sounds like the council have screwed up on all levels, it's just unbelievable that they've done all this. (It is believable but it's just unforgivable!) My DD started school last week and I can imagine how traumatic this has been for you all.

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badgermama · 09/09/2014 10:27

Thank you Liney. I hope your DD is seeming happy. It is such a big think for a loving family, and to have it be more complicated than necessary is so ridiculous.

I am really troubled at the moment by how many vulnerable children will have adults around can't face the appeals process or get proper advice. I was ranting to our MPs assistant on the phone yesterday about potentially vulnerable FAP kids being mishandled in the area and I think she couldn't get off the phone fast enough

(the LA had finally called our MP back and said they had a solution to our problem...that the bulge class was never meant to be for our son as it was clearly too far away and that the LA would present a solution in the appeal....of course in the appeal they said he should go to the bulge class so they had fibbed to the PMs assistant)

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WinifredTheLostDenver · 09/09/2014 11:16

Omg they are such liars!

Sounds like the panel pulled them up on things though!

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Saracen · 09/09/2014 11:57

That sounds really promising, badgermama! I am glad things are looking positive and hope your son will soon have the school place you have been waiting for so long.

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NynaevesSister · 09/09/2014 12:36

Fingers crossed that sounds promising. Your council are early numpties!

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VeryThelma · 09/09/2014 16:31

I have just read your thread and you should be so proud of how hard you are fighting just for what is right

Often you see people who have no regard for the rules / processes in place for allocating a school place but lets hope the appeal panel really see this is not the case with your little one.

Good luck and do let us know as soon as you do (I have been no help whatsoever on this thread but have been cheering you on from the background)

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TheHouseatWhoCorner · 09/09/2014 16:59

My fingers are very firmly crossed for you.
But it sounds as though it would be almost impossible for the panel to not rule in your favour.
What a wonderful group of MNers who have helped and motivated you.Thanks

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Mydelilah · 09/09/2014 17:45

Another one with fingers and toes crossed for you. I am utterly appalled by how your council has behaved - trying to trick you into home ed and de-registering, giving you misleading information and intimidating letters is just sinister.

You are fighting superbly for your child and I am full of admiration for you and also to super MNers who have shared their expertise with you on this thread Smile

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 09/09/2014 18:14

They seem to have got just about everything wrong, from start to finish. Right up to the appeal where they've stitched the independent consultant up by not giving him the necessary info and documents to present/defend their case. Hopefully that's going to work in your favour as well and you will get the result you want.

Fingers crossed for you.

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MamaDoGood · 09/09/2014 19:28

Fingers crossed for mini badger, I had a 6 week fight on my hands for my sons reception place and I can truly say I have never felt so anxious, stressed and upset as I did at that time. He has his induction day tomorrow (although it still doesn't feel real to me - I keep thinking they will snatch his place away!)

I wish you every luck in the world! I will pray for you this evening xx

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MyFirstName · 11/09/2014 21:07

Any news badgermama

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