Why on earth shouldn't you teach reading if you jolly well feel like it?

[learnandsay]

Is it really all that bad?

[bumbez]

I haven't read the whole thread but this is what happened with dd1, she taught herself the alphabet aged 2 from a phonics bus, there was absolutely no input from me.

I asked at the library if I should attempt to teach her to read but was advised not to.

6 months before reception I took the bus away. She pretty much forgot every thing but it didn't take her long to be reading fluently. By the end of year 1 I stopped needing to hear her read.

I naturally assumed dd 2 would be the same but now in year 3 she is still a very reluctant reader.

[morethanpotatoprints]

Mrz.

That is very interesting, my dd must regularly hear consonants wrongly to say ak least rather than at. If she was reading it though she would definitely say at. There are other examples but I can't think of ant atm. It will be interesting to see what the results are when completed. I have made a note to check back.
[Thanks]

[mrz]

www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2013/02/researchers-discover-a-biological-marker-of-dyslexia.html

[morethanpotatoprints]

Thanks learnandsay

She is loving it, we are lucky to have a good library.
It was" Pippy Longstocking" that caught her imagination, I think it was you that recommended it

[learnandsay]

morethan, that's the best thing that I've heard, yet. Congrats to you and little morethan.

xx

[morethanpotatoprints]

My dd struggles with many aspects of learning and finds decoding difficult. She just doesn't get it and neither did I. I know I'm dyslexic and pretty sure she is too.

I am really pleased she has found a love of reading and is actively seeking her own secret stash .

I stopped telling her she had to read to me, now she asks to read to me. As we don't have teachers and a system to answer to, she did it by herself. She is 9.

[LittlePushka]

But perhaps most importantly, you can't get multipacks of cheddars in a library...just sayin'.

[fanoftheinvisibleman]

'I think the point here is that it is better to feed yourself at four than to read at four. Maybe, but most children will learn to feed themselves eventually but may never learn to read.'

Most children will be just as likely to read eventually too.

[learnandsay]

Not really, but if people want to argue with me that's their right.

[Haberdashery]

Most threads that learnandsay contributes much to seem to end up like this at some level. I assume that she quite enjoys annoying people, tbh.

[exoticfruits]

It seems a very weird thread!

1. If they are ready to learn you can't really stop them and if they are not ready it won't work.
   
2. Teachers do not want you to hold a child back-if they all start at the same place they will learn at different rates, teachers differentiate-that is their job.
   
3. When you are a fluent reader no one knows, or cares, if you learnt at 2 yrs, 5yrs , 8yrs or even 10yrs.
   
4. A library ticket is a good idea if you can get to the library easily.

[learnandsay]

I don't think that. Who said that I do?

[ShipwreckedAndComatose]

Blimey! This is still going??

I agree with Raisinboys!!

[fanoftheinvisibleman]

Learnandsay what on earth makes you think that it is learn to read early or don't learn at all? If a child is struggling at 7 then I cannot imagine that trying to teach them at 2 will help at all. Does it not occur to you that there are a small percentage who will struggle anyway and probably be demoralised to boot if forced long before they are ready.

Tbh I don't know why you posted and why we are replying. You clearly think children should be hothoused as the only option and want everyone else to validate it for you.

[Primafacie]

Come to think of it, I don't.

Good luck with your thread.

[learnandsay]

prima, have you got an argument or is it just random rants from you, now? I'm not going to read pointless links to more of your ranting. If you've got something to say then say it.

[Primafacie]

Good grief, Learnandsay, "neglectful"?

You were right after all, there is a comprehension problem in this country. Maybe that's because some people keep talking out of their arses about stuff they clearly know nothing about.

I suggest you read this to gain a modicum of understanding of what neglect actually is, instead of spouting nonsense.

[RaisinBoys]

Learnandsay - Have you really been 'talking' about reading, sledging women and cabbages (??) for almost 4 days?

Think of all that valuable reading time wasted.

[sittinginthesun]

Oh, Lands, I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or snort when I read some of your posts.

I think that teaching your daughter to read has become so important to you, that you are missing the point. Do you worry about it this much in RL?

[learnandsay]

The point is that there are a number of ways of covering those five miles which don't require the library user to spend more money such as using a bicycle, walking, getting a lift, getting somebody else to pick the books up and using a mobile library service if one is available. I hadn't actually spoken about commitment and the lack of it. But I will now if you like. I wouldn't regard a parent who didn't use any particular one of these methods (or perhaps others, like borrowing books/or library books from friends) to cover those five miles. There may be a good reason. But if a parent used no method, and didn't explore the possibility of using the library service at all, but would rather their child wanted for books then yes. I would consider that neglectful.

[Badvoc]

Yep.
What prima said!

[wordfactory]

Well all I can say OP, is that I didn't teach my DC to read early.
They went to school unable to read or write a word.

However, I ensured that they were fully subnerged in the world of words and story. I actually felt that early teaching of the mechanics might spoil that, and I wasn't prepared to risk it...too important.

In hindsight it seems to have been the right thing to do.

[Primafacie]

Learnandsay, I translated your opinion upthread as "parents who won't go 10 miles on foot in the snow for library books deserve to be judged as uncommitted". You then accused me of making up stuff.

You later restated your opinion as: "It was suggested that a library being five miles away was a good reason not to borrow books from it. I don't believe that is true. I used to borrow books from a library further way than that and walk to it. And even if a mum can't drive she's likely to know somebody who can. If the library was fifty miles away that would be different."

Can I therefore reiterate that (a) I wasn't making stuff up and (b) I don't agree with your opinion, as expressed by yourself here.

I think if you judge people for not walking 5 miles to a library, just so their young children improve their reading, then you are being incredibly narrow minded, naive and intolerant. I am, quite simply, amazed at the suggestion that anyone would actually do that.

You may be the best parent in the world, but you are coming across as very difficult to deal with on this thread. You seem to be more interested in baiting people than actually having a debate, and incapable of seeing the view point of others. If your children pick this trait off from you, then no matter how gifted they are, they are likely to have a lifetime of difficulty in handling social interaction.

[simpson]

Or sledges

[learnandsay]

badvoc, I think you'll find that many people are making up their own versions of my opinions and then disagreeing with them! We can all do that! This thread has got nothing to do with poor people (or cabbages.)