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athbert · 29/03/2011 20:18

I teach a mixed y1/2 class. I personally read with each child at least once a week and more for children who are finding reading more difficult, and on other days they are read with by my Ta or (rarely) a mum helper. Every child reads to an adult daily. We change books daily/when they are finished according to what mum/dad/carer has written in reading record (ie "read to p4" from adult - don't change. "finished book" - change), which we check daily.

One parent in my class insists that her child is not on the right level, wants her to read the more advanced books and knows which stage her kid's friends are on as she checks the book bags when they have play dates (freely admits this!)

I KNOW what level this child is reading at. I assess her all the time. She is regularly read with, by me, the class teacher (at least twice a week).

So - as I said in OP!

Any thoughts on how to handle this?

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athbert · 29/03/2011 23:10

I must go to bed! Just seen time! I really need to have a good think about how to move on with this situation and thank you for all perspectives. (Must not stress about this child's reading all night!)

I will confess I have begun to feel at a loss to how to deal with it, really. I am really trying to see her mum's point of view, but we seem to be coming from such different starting points. Sad

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RoadArt · 29/03/2011 23:16

Also agree with bosch. Once my Dc were at school I started listening to readers and realised how much more there was to just listening to a book being read. It helped me a great deal and made such a big difference to my understanding of how I could help with reading

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HouseTooSmall · 30/03/2011 09:36

Is 'Lucy' pfb? I ask because with my first child I was [like others have said] in the dark re reading schemes as all new to me. Think I was slight pain in the arse in reception [not as bad as Lucy's mum!!] but have calmed down now as realise that when reading clicks it clicks - in its own sweet time.
By the way I'm not keen on parent helpers helping with reading in the class their child is in as I think it makes pushy/nosey parents worse.
We also have parents who would implode if their kid was not in the top 'colour/ability group'. I was upset for my child the other day when a child in 'top' group told him he wasn't clever because he was in 'blah' colour group. I digress! Good luck op.

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IndigoBell · 30/03/2011 10:23


* Ask Mum if she could help out hearing children reading

* Ask Mum if you can put Lucy on a phonics intervention because she seems to be struggling in class

* Flat out tell Mum that Lucy isn't doing as well as some of the children in class

* Tell Mum you are concerned that Mum is putting so much pressure on Lucy.

Tell Mum some exact* criteria you will use to move Lucy up (eg be able to read 30 CVC words a minute)

* Tell Mum that you have discussed this at length, and if she is still not happy she should raise it with a more senior member of staff.

* After school (for 5 mins) listen to Lucy read to her Mum, and point out why that sounds like the right level book to you.

I feel sorry for you. But even more sorry for Lucy.
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coccyx · 30/03/2011 14:58

Tell the pushy mum that you and another teacher have assessed the child , she is on the correct level and you will continue to send home books that are appropriate. She can go to library if she wants for different books.

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athbert · 30/03/2011 18:30

Well I had another note in the reading diary today saying "I really think Lucy needs to move up to the more advanced books her friends are reading"

I just wrote a note back (after the comment I had made as usual about how Lucy's reading had gone today), saying "Please do come in and see me so we can discuss Lucy's reading and my assessment of it together".

I am not much looking forward to this encounter, and may ask my KS leader to sit in for moral support (I hope that won't make me look weak or defensive?)

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Littlefish · 30/03/2011 18:50

Definitely involve your colleague in this, but make sure the mum knows that you have asked the KS leader to attend as well so that she isn't wrong footed as soon as she arrives.

Just say that in light of her concerns about Lucy's reading level you have discussed it with your KS leader, who has asked to attend the meeting as well.

I hope it goes well. Smile

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bigTillyMint · 30/03/2011 18:53

Definitely agree that you should get her in to hear reading - she will then get a better idea of how well her DD is doingWink

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Lookandlearn · 30/03/2011 20:00

Good grief! The reading book snooping is incredible, I was Shock at how open and brazen. I generally don't know what's good for me and h's e no self control, but realised early on in reception that knowing other children's levels in class would slowly send me mad. I am so, so tempted to look when children come to play or when I babysit, but apart from it being outrageously nosy it just wouldn't help me. You def need her to hear a second opinion about reading, the general idea of a few words proving challenging, roughly ten per cent, being an appropriately levelled book. Also, I think you or someone else should point out to her that it is wholly inappropriate for her to be looking at other children's books in the underhand way that she is. I don't think asking other parents about their children's levels is at all helpful but snooping is deceitful and just plain wrong. She's got real problems and is passing them onto her children.

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LowRegNumber · 30/03/2011 20:00

Invite your colleague in, if you don't want to appear defensive ask her to sort out the displays or check work at a nearby table or something.

I actually agree that it may be a good idea to point out the "Lucy" is struggling and that she seems nervous and overly worried with what the others are doing. Sometimes a helpful parent can become a pushy one without realising it or intending to. It is a real shame when this happens as it makes it very hard for all involved - parent, child and teacher.

I don't agree about getting herin to read though, I suspect that may end up with "Lucy" being pushed harder to catch up rather than getting the result you want.

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Lookandlearn · 30/03/2011 20:05

Also, this woman's attitude doesn't help the whole idea of partnership between schools and home. I'd expect to be listened to if I had a concern about reading levels. Dd has taken several flying leaps in reading ability recently and school has responded to me querying book levels by assessing and changing appropriately. But equally, if they thought I was wrong, I'd expect to listen. Pushy parents aren't the ones who sometimes raise polite questions, they're the ones like this who won't take no for an answer and don't get facts straight before they start. I hope tour meeting goes well and if it were me I'd be having ks leader with me too.

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CarGirl · 30/03/2011 21:21

Blimey I don't think I ever asked any of their Mums what level books their dc were on!!!

My concerns were

  • is my child happy to come to school
  • is my child happy to be at school
  • is my child disruptive
  • does she have "friends"


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athbert · 02/04/2011 07:59

Update: Meeting went really well! When I went through everything with Lucy's mum, she really understood where I was coming from and actually said "I have just been so worried about her - now I feel reassured - she is my only child, and I think I was expecting too much of her" (paraphrased). We went on to have a really constructive discussion and everyone went away happy. Not what I was expecting at all - but yay!

Thanks for advice all.

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RoadArt · 02/04/2011 08:18

I wonder if she is on Mumsnet!

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plopplopquack · 02/04/2011 08:53

Maybe you should explain to the mum that giving her books which would be too hard to her would dent her confidence and make her lose interest.

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plopplopquack · 02/04/2011 08:53

Sorry, didn't see the update.

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easterbunnyhopsback · 02/04/2011 09:05

This year we have started to use PM Benchmark, which tests each child for reading accuracy and comprehension before they move a level. I found out about it on MN Grin and thank the person who mentioned it with all my heart!
We often used to get parents advising us that their child should be moving levels. Now, we can say that they have been tested on the next level and weren't accurate enough / had no comprehension of what they'd read (or agreeing with the parent, of course!).

As we use Read Write Inc for phonics, PM B has also had the added (and unforeseen) bonus of highlighting children who are reading well, but are missing some phonic knowledge. We have dealt with this by setting up small booster phonics groups in Y1 to fill the gaps.

Would strongly recommend it - full set to be found on Amazon for around £100!

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ensure · 02/04/2011 09:06

Phew, glad to see a happy ending!

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choccyp1g · 03/04/2011 23:11

EasterBunny, how often do you test them on the benchmark thing and find out that they SHOULD go up a level (or 2), when you would not have thought it?

I ask merely for information... and because I boy I read with (parent helper) went up 6 (yes SIX) levels recently. And is now reading the higher level about as well as he was reading the lower. (not perfectly, but pretty good). I suspect that he might be a slow reader, rather than a poor reader.

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choccyp1g · 03/04/2011 23:13

I also suspect that the sudden leap is because he did unexpectedly well in the "levelled" comprehension tests that they did recently. One or two others in the class have jumped a few stages too.

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