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Are NCT classes going to be as awful as I'm expecting?

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SpecialStains · 14/06/2016 22:31

Had to sign up for NCT classes as it meant that DH and I could get it over and done with in two weekend days, as opposed to committing to once a week for 6 weeks with our local NHS ones (we'd never get out of work on time).

After weeks of patronising generic emails, with helpful hints such as suggesting that I take a nap if I'm tired in the day (okay, will just pass that one onto my manager at work), we've had an email from the course organiser.

I'm expected to bring items to create a 'birthing nest'. Suggested nesting items apparently include homeopathy oils and baby scans to focus on. Is this normal? Not sure DH and I are going to get on with this...

In all seriousness, what did non-woo people take along to create their 'birth nest' with?!

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Sophia1984 · 18/06/2016 22:01

SpecialStains Our teacher showed us how to open the nappy a little bit but keep the front over baby boy's willy until he's done a wee so it doesn't shoot you in the face! Apparently it's the sudden exposure to air that does it..

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PuraVida · 18/06/2016 20:08

Ours wasn't a bit woo. We enacted a c section all taking different roles which those (50%) of our class who had them said was reassuring knowing what all the hustle and bustle was about. I made great friends.

That said however, there is something inherently woo about childbirth and knowing the role of happy, relaxed hormones and optimum positioning and swaying and dim lighting etc to encourage things along shouldn't be dismissed out of hand

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1frenchfoodie · 18/06/2016 18:29

No mention of birthing nests in my clases earlier this year either, must be your tutor's personal style. I went expecting raging hippiedom and realised I - with reusable nappies and no plans to impose a routine or practice controlled crying in the first few weeks - was the biggest hippie there. The tutor was a bit rambling and there was an assumption breastfeeding would always be best for both mother and baby but otherwise the classes were fine and I still keep up with the group even if one of the annoys me intensley by being an expert on anything and everything baby related Have fun.

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SpecialStains · 18/06/2016 18:15

Hello, had my first class today. It was quite good and all the other couples there seemed really nice. Range of ages 25-40, most in their early 30s. Class wasn't woo at all, and I got a lot out of it. Particularly, found breathing and birthing positions useful. The only downside was that the course leader seemed to think that everyone can have a completely natural birth, and wouldn't really go into what happens when you need intervention.

Still, next week we'll cover breastfeeding and newborn care, which I'm sure will be very useful.

Thanks for all the comments. Smile

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trinitybleu · 17/06/2016 20:02

I did nct classes and I am as bewildered as you as to a birthing nest. FFS.

Each teacher will be different... you could ask if there's an alternative course with a different leader?

Ours was very down to earth, covered c sections and bottle feeding etc. Also advocated a meet up post births with lots of wine. We're still doing those 9.5 years later Smile

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SewSlapdash · 17/06/2016 19:48

Our classes were great and not at all woo, we even had a CS role play.

As for your questions:

Breastfeeding: not really, but as they get older they can sometimes become quite reliant on boobs to get them back to sleep (I'm looking at you DS Hmm)

Hot/cold: feel the back of their necks. DS screamed the place down when he got overheated. As a rule, one more layer than you in winter, one less in summer. Check regularly.

Wees: not just likely, inevitable. I have been wee-d on more times than I care to mention. With girls it tends to puddle underneath instead. We used to call it a DS special when he needed a dirty nappy changing, wee-d as soon as you got the nappy off and then puked within 30 seconds of getting a clean baby gro and vest on. He was a very sicky baby.

It all sounds awful, but bear in mind I'm now 28 weeks with dc2 and I sorted out all the vests etc the other week. I looked back on those sick stained vests with misty eyes Grin

Best of luck, it sounds like you'll do just fine.

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shelbTa · 17/06/2016 19:30

I'm doing them, mainly to meet ladies round my area, but also to learn what to do (!) and I must admit I'm nervous like you about the woo. I think my OH will struggle if he has to massage me or any of that crap - he barely did it in the early days!

I hear ya. Let me know how it goes!

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BertrandRussell · 16/06/2016 20:11

The back of the neck needs to feel comfortably cool.

It's not really as scary and overwhelming as it seems. Well, not always.......

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SpecialStains · 16/06/2016 20:08

Thanks Bertrand. Do you just mean checking their temperature on the back of their necks? It does worry me how little experience I have with babies. I've been watching quite a few youtube videos, but I'm still not sure I know what I'm doing.

I will be participating fully, and engage with all the woo that is thrown at me (DH is another matter).

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BertrandRussell · 16/06/2016 20:03

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By feeling the back of their necks
Very likely indeed- my ds got a direct hit on a very patronizing pediatrician at less than 12 hours old- that's my boy! But you do learn to dodge, or to drape a strategic baby wipe.

Don't completely dismiss the woo stuff. I actually found the visualizations We learned through suppressed giggles at NCT incredibly helpful in labour- we giggled at them in the early stages, but I clung to them like glue through the harder bits.

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SpecialStains · 16/06/2016 18:47

Weezie how on earth did you keep a straight face?! I've not been asked to bring my crayons, but I will remain aware of the possibility...

Hopefully, as most people seem to experience, I'll at least meet some nice people. I sat and watched all the video clips that relate to labour on the NHS website, so I feel a little more prepared.

There's just so many things regarding looking after a tiny human I don't know how people know! If anyone can answer the following questions, it will make me a little less dense :-

Can you over-feed a breastfed baby?

How do you know if you've dressed them warm/cool enough (particularly if its a summer baby).

With boys, how likely is it you will get wee flying everywhere when you change a nappy (as a colleague has warned me)?

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Weezie85 · 16/06/2016 18:02

We had to give hand massages and draw a flower opening to imagine birth. Hahaha. It was all crap in my opinion. Teacher was a loon, but the other people were great. It didn't help with my birth at all

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Dollface136 · 15/06/2016 16:59

Haven't started my NCT yet but all my friends loved it. No idea if we are what you would define as "normal" or not, but we don't live in communes and wash with dock leaves or anything like that. I had my letter about our first class next week and no mention of "nests". I quite like the sound of them though in the context of items that will help you focus during labour as I am prone to have a panic so I see it more like giving myself the best chance of staying calm.
Hoping to meet other people really, I don't see that they will teach me anything I haven't learned from the copious research I have done online and in books. DH will probably get more form it though. Good luck.

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CoffeeCoffeeAndLotsOfIt · 15/06/2016 15:01

I absolutely loved mine. Enjoyed the classes and the content, happily learnt about labour stages even though I knew I was having an elective c-sec for health reasons.

Met some great people who I'm still close with now.

I'm not woo or a hippy mum.

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mayhew · 15/06/2016 14:28

Midwife here. Re "nesting" the labour hormones flow best if you feel safe private and comfortable. Good birth centres try to help a woman achieve that and may call it " nesting". Familiar items might help like your own pillow or favourite smell. It's not mad really.

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Micah · 15/06/2016 14:15

Another nhs one!

Listening in to a conversation between a young pregnant girl, and a bunch of her male pals in school uniform who had walked her to class.

It became apparent that while most of the lads knew how the baby got in there, none of them knew how the baby got out again.

There were some horrified and confused faces as the girl's female friend tried to explain. Although she didn't have a completely clear idea either....

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SunshineAndClouds235 · 15/06/2016 14:07

My NCT class was very slanted to natural childbirth and breastfeeding was totally hammered home (far too pushy). We made some really great friends tho! I think it really depends on the teacher and how you feel.
Don't let anyone make you feel bad for your birth choices and certainly don't feel bad for not making a birthing nest! That would have put me right off too!

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TwirlyHoos · 15/06/2016 14:06

Micah we did NHS ones which also had its share of crazies!

One man wanted reassurance that, when his wife was in labour and therefore lost the ability to make decisions (!) the midwives would listen to him about things like whether or not she needed a Caesarean. The very patient midwife running the class first explained that "a woman's brain does not fall out when she is having a baby" (said in her very clipped German accent) then that it would be a clinical decision whether she needed intervention.

Later on, we had a talk about cord donation. It was explained that it was an international program. Another man, with his Australian wife, said they would only sign up if it could be guaranteed that the cord blood would remain in the UK because "we already give enough to the rest of the world" Confused

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SockQueen · 15/06/2016 13:52

I'm a doctor, in a specialty which has a fair amount of involvement in childbirth, and I've booked onto NCT. I plan on tuning out if it gets too "woo" and will only say something if they say anything downright dangerous. Lots of my colleagues have been to NCT and are overall very positive about it.

DH has no medical training or knowledge (he feels faint if I talk about taking blood/giving injections, let alone having them done to himself!) so I hope it will be beneficial for him, and I'm very much in favour of getting ti know some other new parents, as we've only recently moved to the area and don't have any non-work friends.

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Highlove · 15/06/2016 11:23

Oh and at the ripe old age of 34 last pregnancy when I did NCT, having walked past the NHS class it was apparent I was old enough to be the mum of most of the participants. Which kind of put me off!

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Highlove · 15/06/2016 11:21

Another one here with no woo at all on the NCT course. And it really didn't push natural birth or pain relief-free birth. I guess it depends on the teacher but ours was pretty sensible. There was a whole session dedicated to BF and less on formula feeding - to be fair though I think you are probably more likely to need support and advice on BFing than FFing, but others may not agree.

Most importantly, I/we made great friends - we still see them am all both with and without the now two-year olds. Was worth every penny for me on that front as I didn't know any people with babies locally. But I know that not everyone has such a great experience - friend of mine did it more recently and her group sounds like a hideous bunch of competitive mums. Grim, and not helpful to my lovely friend who's struggling a bit. But I know many more people for whom that really hasn't been the case!

Good luck, go into it optimistically and hope for the best.

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bonjovigirl · 15/06/2016 11:15

my NCT was also the weekend type setup as DH works evenings. The content wasn't too woo (the few bits mentioned we were all equally incredulous and Hmm about!) and as there were only 4 couples it was easier to get to know each other. Would definitely recommend trying the course.

OP just a thought - I attended NHS courses using antenatal leave from work? I treated it similar to midwife appointments...might be worth broaching with work?

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Starspread · 15/06/2016 11:11

I was probably the woo-est person in my NCT class (planned - though didn't quite manage - a home birth, dead set on breastfeeding, fond of candles and aromatherapy oils and hypnotherapy/self-hypnosis - but vehemently anti-homeopathy and prefer to research the scientific basis for anything told as 'accepted truth' re pregnancy and parenthood) - so if my group was anything to go by, sounds like you'll bond over giggling about 'birthing nests' :)

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Dizzydodo · 15/06/2016 10:55

I found NCT quite useful, and mostly woo-free. The teacher appeared a bit lentil weavy but she was lovely and actually very knowledgeable. The other parents were reassuringly non woo and mostly late 20s-early 30s, I would definitely recommend it even if you only get a bit of useful information from it.

I don't mean this to sound woo bashy - if that's what you're into more power to you, just not my cup of tea.

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MrsZumbaDancer · 15/06/2016 10:48

No birth nests on my NCT course.. Woo-est thing was the relaxation techniques at the ends The teacher asked us what we wanted to discuss and get out of it so it was really good. Made some friends who we saw regularly until we all started to return to work, just see one of them now.

I also did the nhs ones which were more telling us facts, no room for discussion. It was useful to know what drugs are offered at my local hospital and when.

Guess it depends on the teacher/area..

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