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Gestational Diabetes - Large abdominal circumference

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PamRavenscroft · 19/11/2013 08:27

Hi, I'm 31 weeks and was diagnosed with gestational diabetes a few weeks ago. I'm trying to control with diet & exercise but my fasting levels are often very slightly over (5.1, 5.2, 5.3). My hospital has a very low cut off point of 5.0 for fasting. I was prescribed metformin but asked to wait till the results of my growth scan, which I had today, before I started taking it. All baby's measurements were nice & normal except the abdominal circumference which was on the 95th percentile. I am trying to work out the significance of this - obviously it means the sugar is going to the baby, but other than its tummy it isn't 'big'. I hate taking medication when pregnant but am I being an idiot for not? As my levels are so borderline I have been reluctant to start on meds but after today's scan I just don't know what to think. Any advice, previous experience etc. would be hugely appreciated! I lurk on the Jan 2014 thread but haven't posted yet - I'm hoping Tarka will see this!!

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Bigfingers · 27/11/2013 23:36

also, art insulin, I think they recommended that immediately because it would make a bigger diff in the very short space of time we had to treat the GD than any other treatment.

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Bigfingers · 27/11/2013 23:37

*wrt , not art. Smile Smile

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heartisaspade · 27/11/2013 23:48

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Bigfingers · 27/11/2013 23:59

got to go sleep shortly so apologies in advance when I go quiet Smile

I can't remember the numbers very well, it was all such a rushed blur. I think it was high, yes, and I know the insulin had an immediate effect. I had to check levels about 5 times as day, and inject ( wasn't too fussed about that, ok with needles) two or three times I think. I hated the finger prick testing much more than the thigh stabbing.

it is scary and stressful suddenly finding out. hope it goes ok tomorrow .

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heartisaspade · 28/11/2013 01:11

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TarkaTheOtter · 28/11/2013 05:45

heart try not to panic too much. Your levels are not actually that bad so no reason to assume baby will be big. In particular your fasting level is very good which is a possible reason why they won't offer you medication tomorrow.
At 35 weeks any woman's glucose tolerance will be its worst (peaks then the last few weeks tend to show slight improvement as hormone levels drop before labour). So it's quite possible that you haven't had gd for long - your gtt has shown a snapshot at the worst point iyswim.

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imnotalone · 28/11/2013 10:00

Wow bigfingers I felt like I was reading my story in relation to late onset. I know I'm hugely jumping the gun as I haven't even been diagnosed but it is very interesting you had later GTTs which were clear then got diagnosed at 33 weeks.

I phoned to see if they could get me in any earlier this morning but they are fully booked up apparently. I find this frankly ridiculous as it's not as if there's much effort on their part blood test, give sugary drink, blood test. I just want to know one way or the other...!

heart I don't blame you for considering the ELCS first. I know I'm probably bias now but that would be my choice given your circumstances. As you say, it's what you consider safest for your own baby. Good luck for today.

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PamRavenscroft · 28/11/2013 11:51

I was the same heart, as soon as I found out I had it (28 wks) I cut out all sugar & felt hugely better for it.
Don't forget some people have bigger babies & it's got nothing to do with GD. I have been worrying myself sick over baby's abdominal circumference being on the 90th percentile - but I could have been the same with my first pregnancy & it would have never been picked up. I am wondering what this huge tummy is going to look like when it's out!!

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TarkaTheOtter · 28/11/2013 12:53

The important thing is that they now know to keep an eye on you and baby both during and after the birth.

I don't know if fasting for longer would have made a difference to your fasting level heart but I doubt it. I often find that when I have breakfast later my fasting level is actually higher because my liver releases sugar first thing in the morning. Hopefully the scan will be able to reassure you a bit.

I'm personally desperate to avoid a section because I think the recovery with a toddler an newborn would be terrible and I live in the middle of nowhere so need to drive. Also my induction last time was very positive so that helps.

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PamRavenscroft · 28/11/2013 13:06

Same here tarka, I'm a bit scared about having to push out a whopper but I have an autistic 4 yr old who is about to start school & no family to help us over here so the recovery time from a cesarean is what concerns me

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Bigfingers · 28/11/2013 21:13

Hi again everyone, finally had a chance to RTFT, which I hadn't done last night when I just skim-read and was half-asleep and typing on my phone keypad etc.

imnotalone - I have read your first post and can see why you say we have a similar story. I am convinced I had GD in both of my first two pregnancies, DC1 was very puffy when born, as was I for the last few weeks of the pregnancy, and I distinctly remember I was always having ++ in my urine (sometimes glucose, sometimes protein) - I assume that because it was not consistently there, that must be the reason I was not even GTT-ed in my first pg, but in hindsight, it seems pretty negligent, considering I had a 10lb 6oz baby, severe shoulder dystocia with resulting (temporary, thank god) injuries to both me and my DD.

You'd think they'd have been more on it the second time around - tbf I did have GTTs at 28 and 32w, and a scan at about 30w I think (which predicted 8lb baby...), but I know I had anomalies in urine testing after the second GTT, as I remember telling my MW that I had that the first time around too and I joked about it. She didn't refer me for further testing. DS was 11lb, and I did suffer shoulder dystocia again, but this time around I was not on epidural, I could feel everything, which was hellish, but also helpful, as I think the combination of that, with the fact of it being my second birth and my body had been there before, meant he was only stuck for a minute or two at most, and neither he nor I suffered any injuries as a result. I consider it by far my most magical birthing experience (not those two minutes, though Smile ) , and feel so lucky I could have one of my three naturally.

TBH I thought my MW for my third pg was being a bit ott when she wanted me to take another GTT when glucose showed up at 35.5w, since I already had a C-sec booked for 39w, and the GP surgery couldn't fit in a GTT til I was 36.5 (this still pisses me off, in hindsight - a full week without treatment at that stage of pregnancy, when a GTT is so easy to administer). I took the GTT at 36.5 and then early the next morning the hospital called me and wanted me to come in that day, and the rest was a whirlwind - I saw about 8 different people on that day, and the result was I was on insulin immediately, a plan was made for a C-sec at 38.5, to give a full two weeks for DC3 to reduce glucose dependence, but I was told that GD babies are at an increased risk of pre-natal "problems" ( I don't want to write the word in case others haven't actually been told this) so I was freaking out, big style.

HOWEVER, DC3 was absolutely fine, they tested his glucose levels (but only at my insistence! Unbelievable, no? All that to make sure he wasn't glucose dependent, and then they only tested him because I kept on at various midwives that no one had tested him etc.) a few times in the 24 hour period and they were normal. He was pretty big, I suppose, though I refer to him as my titchy one after the size of the other two...

Sorry that's loads to read so I hope you really did want experiences OP Grin

heartisaspade have you been given a blood test to determine when onset occurred? I can't remember what the test was called - something like a retrospective, but apparently it quite accurately could say when the GD started. It was quite reassuring for me to know it had only been a few weeks (though I sort of knew that from my 32w GTT, it still reassured me).

Also, as a general note, growth scans are notoriously rubbish. Mine was a full 3lb out with DC2. Much better indication is previous baby size.

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imnotalone · 28/11/2013 22:40

You have to laugh because if you didn't you'd cry - you had to pester them to do the tests on the baby after all that! What a joke. You have to wonder what goes through these peoples minds.

I always measured way over on fundal with DC1 and 2 but no one ever referred me for a growth scan. Not so important with DC2's actual birth due to them being early but they seemed surprised when DC1 turned out to be 10lb. It might have saved a lot of heartache & injury had they bothered (in fairness probably not due to the serious ineptitude of the registrar) I also had +'s in my urine later on both times but it was ignored. If it wasn't for me pushing this time due to seeing this post I wouldn't be having another test next week.

Anyway, rant over!

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Romily · 28/11/2013 22:49

I have wallowed in a bit of self pity today however this evening I have pulled myself together and I am going to overhaul my diet again to see if I can get my levels even lower. For the next few weeks I will just have to embrace a super baby friendly diet and then quietly plan the massive chocolate fest I am going to have when he is here!

Any great meal or snack ideas to help keep things interesting??

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heartisaspade · 29/11/2013 16:37

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TarkaTheOtter · 29/11/2013 16:51

heart
Both yogurt and fruit will cause your blood sugar to peak as because of the lactose sugar and the fructose sugar. Low fat yogurts are particularly bad because they often have added sugar to improve the taste. Your other readings are really good though. Have they suggested medication?

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heartisaspade · 29/11/2013 17:25

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curlywurlyllass · 29/11/2013 18:23

Heart- iwas told to look at carb content and anything over8-10g of carb (not sugar) per 100g was bad and to avoid or use little of. Sugar content should be less than 8g per 100g. There are some mullar light yoghurts lower than this - hth

Romily- i too am planning mt chocfest for after birth :-D cant wait to have some normality back but wont have too Much or i will probably b ill after the lack of sugar after one bite!

Tarka- thats interesting about liver- how does it work? Today with work stress i gad nothing to eat/drink till 11.30am, had some dry roasted peanuts n water. Then at 1pm i tested before eating lunch and my bloods were 6.2!

bigfingers- im petrified of shoulder distocia and forceps (due to family history of damage to faces of my mum and also bf) bt what are the pre-term problems? U can pm me if u dont want to write here. Ive only been told of issues of baby possibly growing too big to fit down birth canal.

feeling bleaugh these days- have got the "girls day out" event tomorrow with my friends and ive just been reminded there will b chocolate fountains etc there =( shall take my wee tub of nuts to munch on and a big bag to bring bf home any sweet freebies i get

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heartisaspade · 29/11/2013 20:16

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TarkaTheOtter · 29/11/2013 21:26

Grrr the NHS diabetes diet advice is hopelessly outdated. I agree about basing meals around protein and veg with a small amount of low GI carb. Sweet potato is good and for some reason whole potato is better than mashed. It's tricky because everyone has thing that work well for them but you don't get a lot of time to figure it out.

Oh and protein helps your body deal with carbs so, for example, peanut butter on toast gives me lower readings than toast alone.

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curlywurlyllass · 30/11/2013 08:24

Totally agree with tarka- i was told by diabetic dietitian to make main parts of meal protein n veg with little or low gi carb

its so awesome to see little one more often :D my next viewing is 9th n i cant wait

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terilou87 · 02/12/2013 16:09

Heart atleast you know what is happening, I didn't know about steroids making blood sugar go up that's useful to know as I thought id just be in for day of op then stay while recovering ect, I'm also having elcs but my 36 week appointment isn't till next Wednesday so I won't know a date till then.
I had to have a emcs with my first and was put to sleep so I don't know about the op but recovery I was In hospital 4 days and pain wise it hurt but not too bad, make sure you take it easy and keep topped up on pain relief, I think the more you think about the op the more it freaks you out it does me anyway good luck with everything Thanksand can I be cheeky Blushand ask if you can update us with weight of your little man I'm curious to see if these growth scans are ever right!

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TarkaTheOtter · 02/12/2013 16:16

heart glad you've got everything sorted! Just a week to go - how exciting!!

I'm 34 weeks today and saw the midwife. My fundal height is still measuring two weeks behind but all my scans have said baby is 50th percentile so not worried about that. Baby is head down and low but not engaged.

Had a lunchtime nap when dd did today and woke up with blood sugars of 2.0 so got to eat some quality street. My blood sugars always plummet if I have a nap. An hour earlier they'd been 7!

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Romily · 02/12/2013 16:35

Heart is there a reason other than size for you having your section at 36 weeks? My boy is measuring very large for dates, I am 30 weeks, but I have been told that my hops will not deliver by induction or section until 38 weeks unless he is struggling. Just curious as to the different hospital perspectives.

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