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Would you like your baby to be five times safer....

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lagoonhaze · 01/05/2012 22:22

in the car?

If so then check out extended rearfacing car seats.

When I had my DS i went down the traditional route of infant carrier and forward facing at around 9mths. I was blissfully unaware of the risks that forward facing seats could pose to a young child body.

I started to see posts on mumsnet about extended rear facing (ERF) and it sparked me to do further research.

From //www.carseat.se

Children who sit rear facing in a car seat cut the risk for death or injury dramatically. But why is rear facing so much better and where did the idea come from?

There are three main reasons why rear facing is so much better. First one is the outstanding protection of a child?s head, neck and spine in frontal collision which is roughly 80% of accidents. Second is superior protection in side collisions. A rear facing child is pushed further into the car seat where it?s well protected. Third is a social reason, rear facing car seats often work better since driver/passenger can more easily communicated with the child


From before my DD was even conceived I knew she would be extended rearfacing and I set to work about slowly convincing my DP. I expected a struggle as this baby was his 3rd and my 2nd and all the other DCs were turned round like other around the year mark.

He looked at the research, videos and said yes knowing what I know now I, happy for us to ERF best start saving up for the seat!

Im pleased he has come to this conclusion with me as its something I feel very passionate about. However when I mention it to friends they look at me like I have two heads!

So if you want to check it out for yourself here are some good sites.

//www.rearfacing.co.uk

This is their facebook site which can answer any questions

www.facebook.com/groups/209783279077720/357870094269037/?notif_t=group_activity#!/RearFacingTheWayForward

Another fab site is

www.carseat.se/

There are loads of seats becoming available due to consumer demand. This along with an expected law change in early 2013 to keep all babies rearfacing til 14 mths means hopefully they will become the norm.

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JJWMummy · 07/05/2012 23:09

Have to say haze, the obvious answer to the question your post poses is 'yes' most definately.
However, as a lot of others have said it is v v expensive. I have 3 dc aged 13, 5 & 18 mths, I will not be having anymore and have purchased car seats already. As much as I appreciate what you are saying regarding the safety of rf it unfortunately just loads on the guilt, as we just can't afford to replace car seats at the click of our fingers. We have two cars and from what i've read two children who would require these seats, I just don't have a grand to spare at the moment, and i don't believe for one minute i'm alone in this.

I have a child with a brain injury, compared to that of an accident at 40mph and completely understand the life changing nature of disability, though this doesn't change my financial situation.

Not suggesting for one minute you are wrong in promoting these seats, i think you are quite right to do so, stats speak for themselves, but i do think you could be a little more careful in your wording.

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lagoonhaze · 08/05/2012 07:08

JJWmummy- where do I need to be more careful in my wording? I haven't said anything to berate parents who forward face? I have a 4.7 yr old who is forward facing. I understand it's hard to switch back and cost is often a prohibiting factor.

I posted this in pregnancy to try and raise awareness of expectant parents who may be looking at car seats for the first time or replacing older siblings seats that have expired.

Also the cheapest RF seat is £200- so it's £400 not a grand! No saying you should go out and spend that but don't want other posters to think thats the cost.

As for my title of the thread well it's a fact and the aim was to draw posters in amongst the threads on morning sickness, hospital bags etc.

Ragged called me a zealot which was unfair and unnecessary. I have made no judgements on parents who forward facing their children or who decide not to go down the ERF route.

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lagoonhaze · 08/05/2012 07:12

Just realised you have two cars. Yes I can see why you quoted a grand. We've decided to get just one seat for my partners car as he will do majority of school/nursery run. If I do it I will Walk it as we are lucky to live close enough and on those days I'm would be studying from home. Otherwise it's I'll change the seat/swap cars.

That's our compromise- just one seat as finances are poor.

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ItsMyLastOne · 08/05/2012 08:52

You're absolutely right pesto Blush The klippan kiss got fitted about a year ago and is in the back of my mum's 3 door car, and the leg is very different in design to others and is very narrow and close to the seat, so I just completely forgot it's there! Oops!

to the person who mentioned having a bad back - if you have a car with more than 3 doors then it will most definitely be easier to get a child out of an ERF seat. I find it much easier, especially in car parks where you may not be able to open the door very wide. This is because you just open the door and are standing in the more open part of the doorway, then unstrap your child and pull them straight towards you. Easy. With a FF seat you have to squeeze further in to get at the harness and then have to twist and use much more effort to pull them around towards you. You're much more likely to be hurting your back that way.

JJWMummy I think it's very unfair to be jumping on lagoon about this. As she said, she's put this in pregnancy not in AIBU!
Far too many people just get their child to 9 months and turn them FF, spending around £100+ on a new seat. Well if they wait until their child has actually outgrown their infant carrier, that will give them more time to save. My DD outgrew her infant carrier at around 16-17 months so that would have given me another 7 ish months to save £3.50 per week and I would then have an extra £105 to put towards an ERF. In actual fact I am a student and work part time earning a grand total of £400 per month (including child benefit) but I could afford it. For me, my priority is my child and there are times like this when I can make sacrifices for my child's safety.
Also if people just go for an ERF from the beginning, something like the klippan kiss, they wcould actually save money by not needing to buy an infant carrier and then a stage 1 seat later on.

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blondieminx · 08/05/2012 09:12

Just to say that if you are considering ERF then the Britax 2 way Elite is a great seat and is v easy to fit, we switch ours between a ford focus and a Peugeot 206 with no probs. We got ours from here and it was delivered 2 days after I ordered.

Great thread Lagoon, and a great idea to put it in the pregnancy topic Smile

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lagoonhaze · 08/05/2012 16:34

itsmylastone I'm a student too! To afford ERF we have to save. I'm using cloth nappies most of the time and buying secondhand clothes. Both partly for eco reasons, the fact I think buying new is wasteful but also cos we are skint.

The more time parents have to save up the less a financial hit it would be. Plus something like the klippan kiss it is possible it would save money long term. Do you know if the infant carrier is pushchair
Compatible? If not they should make it so and it would be a excellent all rounder.

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lagoonhaze · 08/05/2012 16:37

blondiemix thank you. Thought it was a way of reaching more people.

I'm likely to be getting a TWE too as I have storage boxes.

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ellliebelle · 08/05/2012 21:16

do you have a link for tbe facebook page? it doesnt appear to work :(

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lagoonhaze · 08/05/2012 21:49

Can't link at mo as on phone. Search for

Rear facing - the way forward.

Will link when on laptop. Sorry.

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lagoonhaze · 09/05/2012 10:51
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ItsMyLastOne · 09/05/2012 11:26

I remember my sister saying the klippan kiss infant carrier is compatible with a pushchair but she said it was some random one and she'd never seen one before. It's still a really useful car seat though.

Thanks for the links too!

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lagoonhaze · 16/05/2012 14:09

If you get chance to ask her can you see if she remembers which one? Thanks.

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ItsMyLastOne · 16/05/2012 15:01

I can't find details on their site but she thinks it was just one of the Klippan pushchairs.

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PestoPenguin · 16/05/2012 16:35

According to the brochure it fits the Graco mosaic and mirage plus. Not sure if either is available in the UK without the infant carrier.

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PestoPenguin · 16/05/2012 16:36

Spoke too soon, there's at least one on eBay

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lagoonhaze · 16/05/2012 21:11

Thanks Pesto- I found that brochure and completely missed that bit about the graco strollers!

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MushroomMagee · 16/05/2012 21:41

Is there somewhere I can look at all the seats and compare? I need a new seat for DC2, though not for a little while. I'd like isofix and we have a vauxhall astra estate. Doesn't need to be from birth as I have an infant car seat already.

Having read this info I definitely think we will be going with rear facing, but I'm a little overwhelmed and under informed!

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PestoPenguin · 16/05/2012 21:57

Essex road safety people seem to have all of them and will happily fit them into you car (in various combinations if you have several children). As far as I know they have the most complete set available, and I've not come across a retailer that stocks the full range. The Milton Keynes In Car Safety Centre have a good range, but by no means all. Most other retailers sell only a few.

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lagoonhaze · 19/05/2012 07:35

Like pesto says Essex as a great range to test. Alternatively check out rearfacing.co.uk for a list of stockists.

Another thing you could do is ring your local independent nursery store and ask if they stock them. If they don't the more enquiries they get the more they will realise people do actually want them.

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lagoonhaze · 26/05/2012 18:35

Keeping bumped so as many expectant parents can be aware of the choices.

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lagoonhaze · 22/06/2012 19:16

Bumping as I expect there are some more expectant parents who may benefit from seeing this.

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lagoonhaze · 04/08/2012 20:25

Bumping it for more expectant parents making car seat choices.

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leeloo1 · 04/08/2012 22:23

Just a quick note to say that if need to swap car seats between 2 cars, then if you get the 2-way elite then you can buy an extra set of tethers for £25 - you can then leave each set permanently attached in a car and you just have to clip the car seat on to them and thread the seat belt through - very quick and easy. :)

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lagoonhaze · 05/08/2012 11:32

TWE is a great seat if only britax would allow it to be more widely sold. One of the reasons I'm looking elsewhere brand wise is because if my annoyance with britax over their refusal to Market TWE.

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leeloo1 · 05/08/2012 13:46

Lol Lagoonhaze - thats one reason to not choose a carseat.

We trekked to the incarsafetycentre place in Milton Keynes and it was the only rear facing seat that fits in our tiny 3-door Yaris. :)

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