Is Middle England stirring?

[claig]

'Tory MP Tim Yeo has been ousted by his local party, the second Conservative to be de-selected in less than a week.'

...

'Some Tory MPs were also nervous about the impact on their own prospects if local associations became more confident about ousting their local MP.

One said: 'Associations are becoming increasingly assertive - if they get rid of him, others will do the same.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551013/Tim-Yeo-ousted-Conservative-MP-grassroots-revolt-second-Tory-backbencher-rejected-week.html

Is this a setback for the Bullingdon Club?
Does democracy reign in the shires and heartlands of Middle England?
Are the good people of our green and pleasant land defying their masters?
Will the revolt slow down or will it only get faster?

[Spinflight]

The google must be weak with this one.

Anytime grasshopper.

[Isitmebut]

I'll let you keep that little Wythenshawe 28% electoral turnout pipe dream, in thanks for feeding me with the Alan Sked founder link to Ukip.

[Spinflight]

Under the rather strange and divisive leadership or Lord Pearson I didn't entirely disagree with him.. 40% of the membership resigned and he later admitted that he wasn't up to the job.

We certainly wouldn't be making fools of the tories and libdems in places like Wythenshawe if he was still leader....

[Isitmebut]

Aaaah yes, the highly reputable Professor Alan Sked founder of UKip, an excellent judge of morals, recruited Mr Farage, and hows that going????

“Ukip Founder Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' And 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

“David Cameron has been under fire for dismissing the UK Independence Party (Ukip) as a party of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", in a now-notorious radio interview in 2006.

However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter - the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."




Regarding Ukip’s manifesto, the true character of a political party that should tell voters what they stand for and why they should vote for them – if Farage rubbished his 2010 manifesto, Ukip currently only stands for cheap political opportunism.

Still, that is already a step up from what Ukip founders was worried about in 2012, keep up the good work

[Spinflight]

I suspect you opinion is somewhat tainted towards your employers.

Tories haven't released their manifesto yet, neither have any of the old, failed, parties.

Why should we show our hand first?

As for becoming increasingly political it was actually Dr Alan Sked who founded UKIP. He spoke fluent German and was possibly the only person in the country at the time who read the Maastricht treaty - which they refused to translate into English.

He founded UKIP the next day.

[Isitmebut]

So with no UKIP manifesto to stand behind, Farage and he’s internet hordes feel that they have the right to criticize the other three established party’s ( with democratically elected seats in parliament) policies, and cherry pick populist issues for electoral gain? How very brave of you.

Re Farage’s , the general term is ‘commodity training’, and as there are so many soft and hard commodities in the world, in reality traders end up specialising in one, especially if as large a market and actively traded/volatile as oil – which I understood he traded at a French Bank or two – but please correct me if I’m wrong, with qualified evidence.
www.ft.com/cms/s/2/19e91cfe-86bd-11e2-b907-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2t6MpKcQA

“In spite of his success in the “trench warfare” of commodities trading – a lifestyle punctuated by spread betting and drinking – by the early 1990s Farage was becoming increasingly political. He feared that the traditional British way of life he cherished was in some way under threat from a European project whose ambitions were expanding rapidly.”

No current serious policies on serious issues, headed by an ex City speculator, who admits to heavy personal betting and drinking (as City traders often do) – no wonder you call Ukip ‘different’ – but hardly the credentials to run a boozed up and betting mad country, up to it’s eyeballs in personal/national debt, and trying to rebalance its economy away from relying on the City. IMO.

[Spinflight]

Not sure who this oil engineer is you talk about.. Nigel was a metals trader to the best of my knowledge..

Manifesto will be released when it is released...

[Isitmebut]

Spin....unfortunately for you, the Conservative have not let the country down, as they spend their time digging the economy out of a hole; try naming a date over the last century Labour handed over a better economic situation, than the Tories handed over to Labour in 1997?

Re Ukip policies (and I use that term loosely) please don't take this personally, but would you mind if we had them officially from your Chief (oil) Engineer, published in the proper manner, rather than from Ukips unofficial oily rags?

Best remind him that there is more to running a country than a few populist policies and anti class mantras.

[Spinflight]

At least we try, the old, failed, parties welcome them with open arms it appears, don't know how many they have and don't want to check.

Much of your BBC list of policies ( which you deny UKIP has confusingly) will, I think, form the backbone of our 2015 manifesto. Nigel was talking about cabbies having to wear uniforms ( which was drivel ), not Grammar schools so that working class kids can compete with his Etonian chums ( which is an excellent policy in my opinion).

I expect we'll still see a flat tax and taking minimum wage earners out of tax altogether. This is the right thing to do, it will invigorate the economy and allow people to spend their wages how they see fit instead of the government spending it on beautifying Hyde park.

A free trade agreement with the EU isn't just our policy, it is inherent in the treaty ( Lisbon ) that all nations signed that anyone leaving must keep free trade. It would also allow us to trade with the world, why be forced to use a car boot sale to trade with your neighbours when you can use ebay and trade with your cousins around the world?

Removing the Brussels trade wall would have profound effects on the economy. No EU means no VAT - it is a European tax.

Energy bills would come down considerably - repeal Miliband's tax. Cheaper energy means we can heat and eat whilst enjoying cheaper prices in the shops. Your money would go further. A sovereign wealth fund for the nation based on energy revenue at source ( not from your bills).

An end to mass, uncontrolled immigration, which only helps the super rich whilst making life a misery for the young and the low paid. Whilst the emphasis put on it makes me cringe sometimes it is merely common sense and something that the old, failed, parties can't offer. Well, can't tell the truth about anyway...

Democratise the NHS with elected county health boards whilst maintaining funding and - leaving it alone.. . Frankly this is my favourite policy, the NHS suffers constantly from meddling scumbag politicians who want to be seen to be doing something. Reduce pressures caused by immigration and let the medical staff get on with it knowing that they arent going to be messed around.

As for donors, I answered you. Mainly the members to the best of my knowledge.

[Isitmebut]

Spin….a very amusing post; BNP Members flocking to the PRO Immigration/EU two Labour/Lib Dem socialist parties, or joining (and replacing) the Conservative ex majors & Blue Rinse Brigade, as they die off..yeah right.

As for BNP Members joining Ukip, are you telling more lies or don’t follow your own glorious leaders own words?

Mr Farage has admitted that their vet could not get around to checking the COUNCILLORS that stood at the last local elections, never mind the hordes on new BNP Members, so quoting Ukip laws is about as effective (as in nature), a duck releasing a bottom burp, in windy weather.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10018360/Nigel-Farage-We-cant-vet-all-council-candidates-to-keep-out-BNP.html

By the way, in reply to your claim about Tory backers, where are the ‘holier than thou’ Ukip money men backers names I asked for, as by now you should have realised discussing recent Ukip policies that contradict the 2010 manifesto (you have hidden from your website months ago, but I found elsewhere below) is pointless.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

P.S. Whilst Ukip ‘members’ post reams and reams of mistruths, you shouldn’t be concerned about bold and caps – other than they are quoting facts that expose your Con party for what it is. People swear at each other on here, and get very personal, surely the supposed political new order on such firm ground will stand up to be scrutinised by ‘bold & caps’? lol

[Spinflight]

If you wish to know any of UKIP's policies Isitmebut then I'll be happy to help you...

Ask politely though if you please, and fewer caps, bold and ranty false assertions.

I'm afraid that you have the wrong end of the stick when you talk about the BNP, UKIP's constitution specifically forbids anyone who has been a member from joining.

It is worthy of note that your tories together with the other old parties have not followed our lead and all currently contain ex BNP members within their ranks. Wherever your 66% have gone, it isn't to UKIP. :)


"2.4 In pursuit of these objectives the Party will at all times adhere to the principle of full equality before the law. The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law. Further the Party shall at all times adhere to the principles of the rule of law, liberty, democracy and respect for the human rights and the essential, traditional freedoms of the people of the United Kingdom and those under the protection of the United Kingdom."

[Isitmebut]

Spin….a few Tories are deselected because they have problems with their MP and it’s crisis? lol

How many ‘fruitcakes’ and ex BNP thugs has Farage thrown out recently, would you like the list?

Any Tory would rather bite their own arm off than validate any alliance no policy Ukip full of failed ultra right extremists like Farage – and Cameron has said so.

And what on earth have Canadian Tories got to do with the UK ones, other than try and deflect from Ukip’s BNP supporters – didn’t BNP membership go down 68% and Ukip’s up 66%, no doubt a coincidence?

Plus as history shows, what would the Uk do without the Conservatives to sort out Labour’s mess, pick Ukip who have disowned their own policies and go week by week opposing everything the three main parties say if it makes them look ‘different’ – how politically brave - hardly leaders in anything but spin

What a ‘Con’ Party Ukip is, voters who want to protest would be better off voting for the Official Monster Raving Looney Party, they’ve been around for decades longer and have more policies.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party


Maybe when Ukip get some policies, we can debate them, until then childish attacks on other parties is all you have. Bless.

[Spinflight]

There's some utterly hilarious denial going on within the Tory party.

Most of the poor deluded fools think that UKIP are their friends and allies. Tory policy even enshrines this.

Trouble is that Farage has left it up to the local branches whether any form of deal is done with any party which lead to an approach in Somerset which was democratically put to a ballot of the members.

The result was two votes for and over one hundred against. The chairman privately admitted that he had voted for merely to ensure there was a single vote in favour. :-)

Frankly if you put destroying the tories into the manifesto i doubt many in the party would object.

Same thing happened in Canada where the reform party destroyed their tories within a few years. Their tories even resorted to sending thugs to a campaign to pose as Reform members whilst beating people up and chanting racist slogans.

It all came out in the wash but discredited reform for some time. I'm expecting the same tactics here at some point...

[claig]

'Claig. Why did they get rid of Yeo, what did he do wrong, haven't read much about him?'



I can't understand it. He's everything the 'modernisers' like.

[ironman]

As far as I'm aware Farage will never have a pact with Cameron, he can't stand him. Most members of UKIP I've spoken to do not want anything to do with the Tories. Dave or Ed? most UKIP voters do not like either 'Oxford educated gents' Taken from UKIP watch on the Telegraph.

[ironman]

Claig. Why did they get rid of Yeo, what did he do wrong, haven't read much about him?

[claig]

That's very interesting, Spinflight.

Apparently, according to the Guardian, it is now approx 50% of Tory activists who want a pact.

Ukip pact backed by nearly half of Conservative activists

I think the results of the EU elections in May, I think it is, will be earth-shattering and Tories will start panicking.

Apparently Prince Charles called us good climate change sceptics ""the headless chicken brigade", but I think that might be a better term for the worried elite Bullingdonians when they open their Guardian newspaper after EU election day.

[Spinflight]

I rather feel sorry for the tories who want a pact.

Certainly won't happen in my neck of the woods....

[claig]

From reading today's Daily Mail, as far as I can make out, Newsnight tonight will have a feature on the rise in popularity of UKIP. I think there will be a Heffer report and UKIP's Head of Policy, Tim Akers, the candidate for Thurrock will be on.

Heffer has written an interesting article in the Daily Mail about the dire situation of some Tory grassroots areas where membership has halved etc.

Should be worth watching.

Again read the comments of Daily Mail readers underneath the article. I can find hardly any that support the Tories, the Bullingdon Club or the modernisers.

"A few months ago, a former big donor to the Conservative Party in the north of England told me something rather shocking.

He said that in parts of his region where the party held seats for decades until 1997, and where it must win to form a government after the 2015 election, it barely has any organisation at all."

...

"No wonder a new poll suggests that two fifths of Conservative activists are in favour of forging a pact with Ukip before the next election.

They’re used to fighting Labour and the Lib Dems, but not an energetic new political force which – crucially – seems more organised than the Tories in many areas.

It’s bad enough for the Tories that they lack local associations in vital areas where they need to win.

But it’s also becoming a problem that in safe areas where associations survive, the remaining members are so fed up with the direction of the party that they won’t toe the Cameron line.

Only last week the Thirsk and Malton party deselected the loyalist Anne McIntosh. And yesterday, despite – or perhaps because of – pleas from David Cameron to spare him, South Suffolk booted out Tim Yeo."



www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2551333/Nurture-grassroots-pay-heavy-price-polls-Tory-party-barely-presence-seats-hopes-win-says-SIMON-HEFFER.html

[claig]

"Tell me, did the Metropolitan Elite with Eaton educations take a growing economy in 1997 and turn it into a basket case by 2010?"

I don't know about this place called Eaton, but from what I can gather they were drunkoff their heads in places like Fettes and Kirkcaldy.

Some of them have been knighted for what seems like services to Tony Blair or to "banking".

Good on Prince Charles for going to Somerset to see the people suffering these terrible floods. Where are the great and the good, why aren't they there too? Why aren't they making apologies for spending millions of the people's money on "bird sanctuaries" instead of dredging rivers and protecting people's homes and businesses?

[Spinflight]

Referenda are not binding on parliament, even if Cameron's referendum bill hadn't been shot down in flames he could simply ignore an unfavourable result. Not that any sane person believed it would happen in the first place....

Indeed whilst it is neither appealing, nor practical to determine what goes on behind those bright dead alien eyes we do have to take what comes out of his mouth as most likely, at least...

He was asked the very question on Spanish TV and responded that he would simply ignore an Out vote. Subreptile to the core.

Not necessarily 326, we wouldn't need an outright majority, merely a Prime Minister ( who is technically chosen by the Queen rather than absolutely being the leader with most MPs ) and enough MPs to survive a no confidence vote. The Lords isn't a problem, Labour introduced legislation that can effectively bypass it. Cameron, of course, could have used this for his referendum bill......

The only complication is that from November of this year even invoking article 50 would then require a vote in the European parliament. If such a vote went against us ( which it would ) then you simply rip the treaties up and declare UDI, repeal the 1972 act ( which was probably illegal anyway ) stick two fingers up, drop your trousers and fart in the general direction of Brussels.

What gives you the impression that UKIP have to win 2015 outright? It took the Labour party 24 years before they formed a weak government, UKIP are on a similar trajectory.

Given that there is the square root of diddly squat that the liblabcons can possibly to do curb mass, uncontrolled, immigration or for that matter any of the aspects of EU law which people are only just starting to notice I suspect 2020 would be rather a fertile hunting ground for us Kippers.

I do feel rather sorry for you Isitmebut. I recognise that you have a great deal of energy and emotion tied up in the tories prospects, though I fear that you will not enjoy the next few years.

By 2020 the tories will likely be a South East pressure group campaigning for the rights of Merchant Bankers.

[Isitmebut]

Oh and re your observation, after what they inherited each time I can be proud of the Conservatives record in power, clearly all Ukip have is obsessed with lies about other parties and what they can offer, when they get around to rewriting it.

[Isitmebut]

Spinflight...in summary, unless Ukip go from zero seats to 326 in the 2015 election and THEN try to get it passed a socialist majority Lords, Ukip cannot keep their promise - so there is no point whatsoever giving Ukip a protest vote in the EU elections May, as it will not make an iota of difference to Labour or the Lib Dems pro EU policy. Correct?

Heath took us in a Common Market, not a Federal Europe the project morphed intoto.

Why is a UK referendum not binding?

[Spinflight]

Easy, you just invoke article 50 or revoke the 1972 act.

Cameron could do it tomorrow without consulting parliament. Heath took us in without a referendum, which aren't binding in the UK anyway.

You are correct that we need a majority in parliament to realistically do this, however this is the only way we will ever have control of our borders, the right to trade freely with our cousins and determine our own destiny.

I do hope you'll forgive an observation Isitmebut... You claim that UKIP supporters are obsessed with the EU, irrational, shouty and delusional... Golf club bore types....

Have you perchance checked in the mirror recently?

Just asking....

[Isitmebut]

longfingernails....please list the Ukip talent out of all their politicians, with UK parliamentary experience - as this country ain't got time for novices, whether of questionable far right wing politics, or not.

Seriously, whether policies, record in power, or quality of candidates, Ukip is in no position to criticise ANY Tory, especially as their leader is a failed Tory on steroids.