My not-quite-so-well-thought-out-thoughts are! It's fear! fear of 'letting God down', fear of conforming to the prevailing culture and most of all fear of being forced to do what they don't want to do (marry gay couples in churches) which is fuelled itself by fear... of letting God down etc.
I have no issue with the church not performing gay marriages, that's entirely up to the church, but when the church suggests that it has the final say on marriage and tries to stop it being legal full stop, that's when I take issue.
I mean traditional evangelicals would also disagree with sex before marriage, as would I ... in a kind of it is not for the best (personal opinion here no trying to actively stop anyone else doing it at the moment ). Yet despite this view (that sex before marriage is wrong) I don't hear the church fearing that Christians need to make a stand and not sell beds or flats or houses or holidays to single couples!
Quite right too! Personally I think not having sex before marriage (and presumably living together before marriage) is dangerous because you don't really know if you can live together properly.
We accept that the culture of the day for some can be quite promiscuous, which many many Christians would disagree with, yet the thing some Christians choose to make a stand on is gay marriage. It has become an 'issue' and is seen (I will never work this one out!!!!) to devalue 'traditional' marriage.
Yes, I agree, this a bizarre concept.
I think in some ways that certain 'gay activists' have not helped the situation and have created a culture of fear in churches by 'targeting' actively staying in Christian B and Bs and therefore brought legal cases, which I do not think is fair.
They wouldn't bother if the b&bs didn't discriminate against them, they're just trying to demonstrate a point.
I do not think it is fair because I think gay people should be allowed to run B and Bs for gay people (or indeed anyone should be allowed to)
They can.
and there are B and Bs targeted at gay people
Do they prevent straight people staying?
and likewise those who wish to should be able to run ones that are for straight married couples or singles.
But not allow gays? Why? What about single people who are gay? What about, say a man who is actually gay but happens to be married to a woman?
I am not talking about big hotel chains refusing people on the basis of their sexual orientation! Or indeed on any big business refusing anyone at all.
But it's ok for small companies to discriminate?
But there is a niche market for 'gay' B and Bs and there are quite a few, I looked on line before making the assumption they were for gay people only
Are they only for gay people?
and some do say they welcome gay people and so I am talking about Christians who wish to only have married straight couple or singles in their home for a B and B.
If you discriminate in this way then you shouldn't be running a b&b. Do you think it would be acceptable to run a b&b and not allow women to stay?
Because of fear of being prosecuted etc for not complying with these rules about inclusivesim if we do get equal marriage, many Christians are (I think) more opposed to gay marriage than if they genuinely thought they would be allowed to 'follow their conscious' on this matter. This does not mean that I think people who are celebrants should be allowed to turn down marrying gay people but I rather feel they should be allowed to be not forced to do it.
No one's forcing the church to change. Except perhaps its own members.
It is not a sticking point for me but I think if I were gay and getting married I would not want my wedding officiated at by someone who did not agree with it
I completely agree, if I were gay, there's no way I'd get married in a church (even if it was allowed).
so have a list of who agrees and who does not and those who are gay would presumably rather have an agreeing celebrant at their wedding.
Or we could just let the church decide to not do gay weddings and leave it to other licensed organisations.
Like maybe having a list of employees who do not want to work on a Sunday might have been a way in the past for a shop opening on a Sunday! Remember that 'issue' of Sunday opening, it was huge, and it was another example of churches feeling that society was being pressed by the culture around!
If the church can't move on with the times then fine, as long as it keeps it to itself. In my job, occasionally I am required to work on a Sunday, I have a choice, but it wouldn't look great if I refused on religious grounds (mostly because I'm not religious, but you get my point!).
Ultimately, I feel sure equal marriage will come in and the church will live with it, but it will make life difficult for some churches and it seems unfair because many will probably end up stopping marriage services to all
Would that be a bad thing? If the church stopped doing weddings at all, the rest of society could just get on with things without the church continually butting in and suggesting it has some kind of ownership of marriage.
I agree totally it was wrong for gay people not to be married but it is not just teh chruch who has stood in the way of that
Mostly it is though. Gay people have fought for their rights more recently than other oppressed groups, but as usual, it's the church which has lagged behind and predictably, it will be the last institution to accept gay rights and only because it kind of has to.
Would it really hurt gay people not to be able to use the services of any wedding celebrant or church? Genuine question.
If they are religious it would probably be a bit miffing.
Brownies and guides for girls, which as a mum to a Bronwie is a good thing 3 even though I totally believe in the equality of the sexes.
It's a bit different when you are dealing with children. It's not really comparable. But incidentally, girls can join the Scouts.
And even thought I Passionately believe in women bishops I don't want the church to be forced to 'allow' women to become bishops, I want the church to work it out itself. Is that being fair or unfair, genuine question.
I think that until the church allows this equality, it's going to be seen as a backward institution.