Got/Gotten.

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Why are we all of a sudden using gotten instead of got?
( well l don't) but I've seen it posted at least 7 times today.
In the United States and Canada, gotten is the preferred past participle form of the verb get. Got exists in all varieties as the simple past form. However, outside of North America, got is the preferred past participle of get.

Well clearly it's not preferred by the people who say gotten

It's been creeping over for a while - DS picked it up from ironically UK Youtubers who likely picked it up form america somehow.

https://stroppyeditor.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/the-us-has-gotten-this-word-back-and-the-uk-probably-will-too/

It was also at one point British English and died out - so not impossible it hung on in some UK dialects.

It's a useful word.

"I got the tickets." = "I picked the tickets up from the box office."

"I have got the tickets." = "I have the tickets in my possession."

"I've gotten the tickets." = "I've seen to it that tickets are sorted and paid for."

They mean slightly different things.

Yup. Teacher here and have noticed it with students and younger members of staff. I correct it in formal essays. Having said that as another OP has said it was in common usage in the 16th century so is now reappearing.

Hate it, prefer got as that's what we've always said in the UK

It was in use in Britain well before America was colonised, though maybe it had died out of common use by the time the U.K. was created so the pedant in me doesn't know whether to agree with you or not.

It's English, it's entirely comprehensible - I can't really see any problem with it being reintroduced here.

From previous link I posted:

The English decline of gotten
The huge list of example sentences in the OED suggests that gotten reigned supreme until the late 1500s, when got increasingly appeared in its place. Shakespeare and Hobbes used both. Got seems to have overtaken gotten around 1700.
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J Robert Lowth’s popular Short Introduction to English Grammar (1762) complained about “a very great Corruption, by which the Form of the Past Time is confounded with that of the Participle” – including the use of got instead of gotten. Lowth said: “This confusion prevails greatly in common discourse, and is too much authorised by the example of some of our best Writers.”
Maybe Lowth was thinking of Samuel Johnson, whose dictionary, seven years earlier, had uncritically listed both got and gotten as options for the past participle of get. Neither Johnson nor Lowth commented on the difference between static and dynamic situations.
And then in 1795, Lindley Murray’s blockbuster English Grammar declared that gotten was “obsolete”. That’s an overstatement, but by then it was uncommon, at least in standard usage. It partly survived in some nonstandard dialects (such as in Scotland and Ireland), as well as in the fossilised phrase ill-gotten gains.

I've seen some posters claim their UK dialects still use gotten - though I don't think I've come across them in person.

Act of Union with Scotland creating UK was in 1707 - so I think just gets in with UK English as was still in use though falling in popularity. Chaucer, Shakespeare and Samuel Johnson used it.

I’m happy to embrace its reintroduction. I think in some contexts it can help the flow of a sentence (and it makes me feel slightly like an extra in a performance of The Crucible).

However, outside of North America, got is the preferred past participle of get.

Gotten has always been used in Ireland and (I'm guessing) Scotland. It's a perfectly correct and useful word.

It's perfectly normal in Hiberno-English.

I say gotten but I'm in the NE of England so it's probably a dialect thing.

Certainly not a recent thing.

Languages are like rivers, ever changing their direction and course. Modern English is very different from Medieval English and Medieval English was different from the Anglo-Saxon vernacular , in 500 years will be different again.

Been in common usage ,(Scotland)since I was young, many moons ago. Not sure it's correct that it is an Americanism?

Genesis 31:18 as an example, and many other uses in the Geneva Bible carried forward to the KJV.

ill gotten gains anyone?

The British ear has always tolerated the -ten ending in verbs like forget, so I surmise that the tetchiness over 'gotten' and the assumption that it's less than formal and therefore unacceptable comes from an idea that all things that seem American are sloppy or improper.

gotten Is widely used in Scotland a legitimate word as well as American and seeing as mumnetters are from all over.
I don't why you refuse to accept it and I will continue to use it and it is the hill I will die on !

I understand the distinction between the first two, but I'm not sure I see it in the gotten example.

If somebody said "I have gotten the tickets" I would find it very odd.

@AgingDisgracefullyHere is right. There are different shades of meaning between got and gotten. I wouldn't be without gotten. It allows me more precision in what I say.

It didn't die out everywhere this side of the Atlantic, but it's clear people don't always realise that.

It's got in UK.

Not all parts of the UK.

Where is it not? I'm excluding people who have picked it up from American tv.

Read the thread - Scotland and NI.

@ColleenDonaghy that's interesting. And I should have read it all!

Well, I was told off for using it (once) in an A’level essay. Dreadful American A’level-mark-losing slang, apparently. I’ve not used it since. That was over 30 years ago.

Gotten is an abomination
Got is just as bad
Got is almost a filler word when used with "I've". For example, "I've got three apples". If you say "I have three apples", the 'got' is superflous. Sadly, most would think "I've three apples" is wrong (and therefore add the got - they think it sounds better)