Week 9 - Low Carb Bootcamp - Eek! Only two weeks left!

[BIWI]

Morning campers

Here's the spreadsheet

So our last two weeks. This Bootcamp seems to have gone really quickly!

Having been in carby twatland for most of the last two weeks (aka my DB/SIL's fat-free, low cal home) I'm back on track and aiming to make these next two weeks as strict as I can. My personal strategy for this BC has been not to weigh at all - but to go by my clothes. I can tell by how my gym clothes are fitting that this BC has been a good one for me (overall), and I'm not going to let the last fortnight undo all this.

Anyway, I hope those of you weighing have a good result.

[StoneFoxMama]

Romey only you know what's right to do and how you really feel about everything. Just remember you hold the power over your emotions, don't hand it over to him too freely. I hope things work out the way you want them too.

On a completely different note, this is super gross but has anyone experience the opposite of the constipation problem? Is it all the fat? I feel like my body is having a clear out but it's happening most days, though i don't really mind as I'm still having nightmares about post pregnancy severe piles and constipation and never want to go back to that!

[BIWI]

Week 10 chat thread is here

[Romeyroo]

Thank you, ladies .

It does feel a bit of a mess, really. In an ideal world, he would have treated me better, but at a time which I can cope with, I will listen to what he has to say and see if he listens to me. I think if he waits till that time, then there is less chance I am being played. Though if I am being played, it is already a long game

Anyway, onwards, I have masses to do and a BPC to make. Despite the dark chocolate, I seem to be down another pound , so am sticking with the BPC. And I am reminded by posts up thread that I still need to read the Dr Briffa book. Focus, focus, focus....

KOKO, ladies, especially the newbies, this WOE works.

[BIWI]

Oh Romey

He may well still love you, but does he deserve you?

And if he really loved you, he wouldn't have indulged in whatever behaviour has made you divorce him, surely?

He's playing you.

[StoneFoxMama]

Romey, just keep repeating to yourself that he is not allowed any emotional hold over you anymore, you are not together and I hope things become clearer for you.

[Romeyroo]

Ach, cr@p evening here. XH says he still loves me. I left over two years ago because I couldn't cope with everything that was going on and some of his behaviour. I shut him out for a long time, with expensive legal assistance. We are almost at the stage of having the paperwork sorted to divorce.

I am torn between wondering if he is serious or having a laugh at my expense; and building fragile castles in the sand thinking it somehow might work out okay.

I more or less managed to stay on track with my food, although some dark chocolate later this evening. I will NOT self-medicate this emotional maelstrom with food; I have worked SO hard to get to this weight. Coping strategies needed, I am going to do a meditation practice and go to bed. Apologies for the thread derail, please, please don't feel the need to respond to this as it is off thread, I just feel.

[BIWI]

It depends on a lot of different things! Everyone is different. But most people do see a fairly significant loss in the first two weeks.

[RaisinGirls]

Thanks BIWI. I swapped the onions for shallots and added mushrooms too. The mince was 10% fat, so cooked in lots of olive oil and also added another glug whilst it was simmering. The tomatoes I used were 3g carb per 100g, so OK, I think.

the cooked chicken had less than .5g of carb per 100g but ingredients did include brown sugar and dextrose - does that mean I shouldn't eat them.

Breakfast today I had scrambled eggs (mixed with double cream) with bacon, mushrooms (fried in butter) and some spinach. Still feeling full, but going to make myself eat something now to keep with the three meals a day part of bootcamp.

I am finding it hard to get my head round using so much fat, but understand why I need to. After years of fat is bad mantra, it feels scary using so much fat in my cooking. But need to do this properly to give it a chance to succeed. When do you begin to see a difference on the scales?

[miffy49]

Romey! I expected a fight over me doing LC when I had my docs revue last week and the only thing that seemed to give him concern was that I don't eat puddings! Still, this was the same bloke whos idea of treating pre diabetes was just to give up sweets.

I love the way that LC frees your mind from the constant obsession with food. I actually feel quite irritated when DH & DS1 are spouting on about Slimming World and yet they are constantly on the hunt for food. Its like living with caterpillars!

Seaoflove I have naturally fallen into a similar pattern to Stunt. I tried 5:2 but it didn't suit me at all and it took months to undo the damage. Now I have my coffee with a tbs of coconut oil when I get up and don't even think about any sort of solid food until around 2pm. I do eat later at night as I have to consider my fasting blood glucose so I find I'm best if I have a little cheese just before bed. My fast is on average 14/16 hours. I find I have loads more energy to get the essentials done. I don't torture myself though. If I wake up hungry I will have an early breakfast but I often find on those days my energy levels crash much sooner.

[BIWI]

Read it Seaoflove! It's brilliant and very easy to read

[seaoflove]

It does taste coconutty, but not overwhelmingly so.

I bought Escape The Diet Trap when it was cheap on Kindle a month or so ago. I just wish I had the time to read it. Guess I should spend less time arsing around on the Internet.

[10lbsleft]

does that extra virgin coconut oil taste coconutty?

[Romeyroo]

Second that, Biwi, the low fat/high carb, calories-in-needs-to-be-less-than-calories-out diet orthodoxy is scarily well-established. One of my colleagues asked me when I explained I was not eating sugar - are you not miserable?

Em, no, quite the opposite. Getting on top of my sugar addiction cleared space in my head to address other things but that takes too long to explain, so I just said, no as long as I don't have to ever give up coffee

BPC again this morning - i am using coconut oil from Holland and Barratt, salted butter and coconut milk as cream triggers hives ( the butter seems to be manageable though). It makes me feel SO full though, I can't believe I didn't discover this already.

[BIWI]

If you're struggling with knowing what to do, or finding it hard to embrace the fat (culinary not bodily) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do some reading about low carbing and the science behind it. Look at the resources tab in the bottom of the spreadsheet for inspiration.

[ewanhoozami]

Just popping in to leave this here..

one LITRE of the absolute best coconut oil for £12

Coconut oil used to make me gag until I realised I was using the cheap stuff and it's worth investing in the decent extra virgin organic stuff.

[10lbsleft]

Have just discovered Tesco Finest Vintage Cava is a Brut Nature which has the least amount of sugar for a white wine. It's only £6.99 and just 0.3g per 100ml. I've been sticking to an occasional glass of red as that is only 0.2g per 100ml but now summer's here a nice bit of cold sparkly will go down a treat!!

[lisbapalea]

Blimey - made a fathead pizza earlier and it really was good! I didn't believe the recipe when it said you can't eat as much as you can a normal pizza, but it's so tried! I managed less than half, three hours ago and I am still full!

[StuntNun]

Seaoflove I have done 14:10 intermittent fasting before which is an (easier) variant of 16:8. That's when you only eat within a ten-hour window. You don't have to do it every day to see results. The way I worked it was to try and wait fourteen hours from my last meal of the day before having breakfast or brunch. You can have up to 50 calories during the fast so you can still have a cup of tea or coffee when you get up. So if I finished eating for the day at 7:30 p.m. then I wouldn't have breakfast the next day until 9:30 a.m. It's pretty flexible as it's the length of the fast that's important rather than the length of the eating window. And since you don't need to do it every day then if you're hungry when you wake up you don't make that day a fast day.

...pork scratchings factory. Enormous lumps of frozen pig skin as big as a fridge had to be sliced with an industrial saw before going into the fryer
My mouth was watering when I read this. Once you get into the way of it then fat starts to become really appealing because your body knows that it is your number one energy source. I was at a Premier Inn with work earlier this week and I think my colleagues were a bit surprised to see me unwrapping the mini packets of butter because my full fry breakfast wasn't fatty enough for me.

Miffy you're right about the hormones. When I stopped breastfeeding DS3 I dropped 2.5 lb in a week or two so I guess those were the breastfeeding reserves going.

[10lbsleft]

argh just merrily slathered my salad in full fat heinz mayo. had a mouthful and thought it tasted very sweet. looked the carb count up and it's 3g per 100g rather than the usual 1.4-ish g carbs of most full fat mayos [a

[Beccus]

I am struggling too, really feel I don't know what I am doing, especially how much fat to use and portion size. it's really odd adding more fat just for the hell of it after years of low fat dieting. worked up the guts to make bullet proof coffee after also being horrified by it but finding my double cream congealing. Don't think i put enough butter in it though, & i don't have coconut oil. think breakfast went ok as didn't need to snack until lunch time (unheard of) but may not have has enough fat at lunch as got hungry before dinner. feeling a bit like I've eaten too much rich food all the time, but generally really liking this way of eating

[seaoflove]

Tried a bit of coconut oil from a spoon and found it actually quite pleasant!

Also have been logging on MFP. The macros section is really useful isn't it? Damn you, MFP

[Beccus]

I am struggling too, really feel I don't know what I am doing, especially how much fat to use and portion size. it's really odd adding more fat just for the hell of it after years of low fat dieting. worked up the guts to make bullet proof coffee after also being horrified by it but finding my double cream congealing. Don't think i put enough butter in it though, & i don't have coconut oil. think breakfast went ok as didn't need to snack until lunch time (unheard of) but may not have has enough fat at lunch as got hungry before dinner. feeling a bit like I've eaten too much rich food all the time, but generally really liking this way of eating

[BIWI]

RaisinGirls - welcome!

I have some steak mince in - can I make a chilli with this? Its 500g and I would add 1 onion and 1 tin of tomatoes plus dried chilli and oregano. I'd serve it in a bowl with extra mature cheddar grated on top. Advice on whether this is suitable would be really appreciated, as Im still finding my feet.

You can absolutely make chilli with this. What fat content is the mince though? Mostly supermarkets sell low fat mince, so make sure you make it with plenty of oil - ideally coconut oil. And use shallots instead of onions - they are only 3.3g carbs per 100g compared with 7.9g for onions. Check the carb content of your tinned tomatoes, as they do vary. Sainsbury's Basics chopped tomatoes in a carton are the lowest I've found. But this sounds lovely, especially with lots of cheese on the top - I also like sour cream or full fat natural yoghurt on top of mine, and I like to add mushrooms in place of the kidney beans.

I had scrambled eggs and two slices of bacon this morning, and for lunch I had two chicken drumsticks, a chicken thigh (skin on ready cooked from Sainsburys) with lettuce, cucumber and 4 cherry toms -also an extra big dollop of mayo. Sound OK?

This sounds fine, as long as you have used plenty of fat - just be careful, though, the ready cooked stuff from the supermarket sometimes has added sugar. Check the back of the packet

[miffy49]

I can't manage coconut oil off a spoon. If its runny and straight from the fridge its a dangerous job to try and chip it out so that's why I put it into an ice cube tray. A solid lump to eat is similar to Bounty but less sweet. I tend not to eat before about 1 or 2pm as once I've eaten I tend to wilt so I have a cube with my morning coffee and it keeps me going nicely.

Coconut oil is lovely with green beans. Just blanche the beans and drain then fry off in some coconut oil. Left overs are even nicer used cold on a salad.

[RaisinGirls]

Did a 'big' shop yesterday, so fridge is now full of lots of useful foods to do LCBC.

I have some steak mince in - can I make a chilli with this? Its 500g and I would add 1 onion and 1 tin of tomatoes plus dried chilli and oregano. I'd serve it in a bowl with extra mature cheddar grated on top. Advice on whether this is suitable would be really appreciated, as Im still finding my feet.

I had scrambled eggs and two slices of bacon this morning, and for lunch I had two chicken drumsticks, a chicken thigh (skin on ready cooked from Sainsburys) with lettuce, cucumber and 4 cherry toms -also an extra big dollop of mayo. Sound OK?