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Have Lothian buses stopped letting prams on?

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weeglenny · 19/07/2008 09:14

Just asking because I was down at Ocean Terminal the other day and the bus driver said that as my pram wouldn't fold down like a pushchair, he couldn't let me on and said it was a new policy of Lothian Buses

I've checked their website and couldn't find anything, tried calling them but no answer so just wondering if anyone else has heard this?

TIA

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meep · 30/07/2008 19:59

what type of prams are they referring too - they'd need to be huge to not fit in the wheelchair space. Apart from a massive silver cross job I can't imagine any pram that you couldn't get into the space with the baby facing the rear of the bus.

I reckon there has been some sort of training given to bus drivers recently and they have perhaps taken it a tad "literally" and not applied any common sense [sigh]!

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HereComeTheGirls · 31/07/2008 07:30

They just mean any pram which cannot be folded down like a pushchair, as far as I know....

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HereComeTheGirls · 31/07/2008 07:40

A bus driver posted in an anonymous comment on an Evening News article once that "ask any driver at Lothian Buses and they will tell you that they should ban all buggies from buses as "they are more trouble than they are worth". Which explains a lot of the bad attitudes displayed towards people with buggies.....

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nailpolish · 31/07/2008 09:05

ahi see

ive never had a big posh pram ro a 3 wheeler job so i dont know if these things fold down or not

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HereComeTheGirls · 31/07/2008 09:25

Me neither I did panic when I first read this too, thinking it was buggies too.

Not that I get the bus much these days, am put off by the attitudes of some drivers- Ican't fold buggy as DD has low muscle tone and can't stand up while I fold it, and she is heavy..but as she is a tall 21 month old people assume she can walk!!

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nailpolish · 31/07/2008 09:27

oh god it is awful ifyou have to fold the buggy and your child cant stand

my advice is ask a really sweet and old but fit lady

or another mother to please help

folks are willing to give a hand

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HereComeTheGirls · 31/07/2008 09:32

I usually just get off and wait for another bus...my DD is super wriggly to hold!!

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TheCrackFox · 31/07/2008 15:45

I know this will sound sexist but has anybody noticed that it is only the male bus drivers that have the attitude problem? The female bus drivers don't seem to mind buggies.

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HereComeTheGirls · 31/07/2008 16:04

I feel bad now, just went on bus with buggy and got a really nice friendly and helpful driver! (male)

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josy · 31/07/2008 21:17

I feel a campaign coming on. Instead of spaces on buses being exclusively for wheel chair users lets use them for prams, push-chairs or wheelchairs and have a first come first served bases. There is no reason why any one section of the community should be given preference. Lets not forget that mothers with buggies have to pay a fare but any-one in a wheel-chair gets on the bus for nothing & gets preferential treatment.

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GordonBrownKickingHisHeels · 31/07/2008 21:24

jesus christ of course a wheelchair should have preference.

and tbh it is not going to kill your child to put them in a maclaren techno or some other such buggy instead of a ridiculously huge pram.

bah!

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josy · 31/07/2008 21:47

Why should wheelchairs be given priority treatment? Anyone who says that getting on a bus with a buggy is easy should try it. First come first served & stop all discrimanation.

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GordonBrownKickingHisHeels · 31/07/2008 22:23

are you taking the piss?

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MadameOvary · 31/07/2008 22:36

I'm not surprised there are all these varied reactions from bus drivers. They ARE a law unto themselves.
Last Friday I went on a bus with a car seat on the chassis. No problem but the driver parked so I had to get on at an angle! And he did the same when I was getting off!. Fortunately a nice woman helped me get off the second time but I said loudly "The bus drivers an idiot!"

Twice I've had a bus driver set off before I've settled in the space, and twice they've been nice and waited for me.
Tis the luck of the draw I find.
My point being that some drivers are grumpy old gits and relish the chance to wield a bit of power.

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asleepflower · 01/08/2008 13:18

Of course wheelchairs should be given priority, you have a choice in whether to have children while I have no choice in using a wheelchair. I cannot choose the type of wheelchair I'm issued with, whereas the majority of parents play an active role in the choice of pram, buggy etc for their infant.

I'm not saying ban prams and feel that Lothian Buses aren't exactly the sharpest tools when it comes to judgement, I'm just saying that the wheelchair user should be given priority. I feel this ban is being enforced to cover drivers against the inhospitable or violent reactions they may face from the undesirables of modern society when asked to fold up or get off.

Buggies fold down, and you should only need to do it if and when a wheelchair user needs the allocated spot.OR be willing to get off the bus. Please note. I said allocated, as it is for the sole purpose of wheelchair users that this space exists, as legislation states public transport must be accessible to all including those with disabilities. These spaces are clearly labelled with their purpose.

Pushing a pram a few stops or waiting for the next bus may seem like a hastle to you, or may not be the easiest thing to do, but get some prespective.

A disability means you are UNABLE to do something, no choice I suffer from fairly severe ME. This causes, poor mobility, pain, fatigue sensitivity to light and sound etc on a sliding scale worstened by physical or mental stressors. This means even walking 50 metres is impossible without leaving me bedbound, or at best housebound for several weeks. Also waiting until the next bus comes along may take up what valuable little energy I have, exacerbate symptoms after managing to venture out the house once in 2-4wks. Hell I often have to have dark sunglasses on just to tolerate the lighting on a bus.

Really you can choose what pram you purchase, or even if you want children atall. My lifestyle is no choice, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but LRTs wheelchair space is the only reason my electric and gas aren't cut off, or that I can attend hospital treatment. Also pram pushing parents should note the space is provided on buses for the use of wheelchair users and having an unfolded buggy/pram on board is a(N abused) privilage not a right.

As for the suggestion that priority should be given to prams, based on the fact you pay the fare while I have a concessionary pass. Sickening, greedy, me first attitude I have come to expect in modern society- I'm only 26 and when I was able bodies I showed more human decency, compassion and good manners, because that what it boils down to. Also have you seen the pitance I have to live off, just the fact I can travel for free to pay my bills and to hospital is the difference between me turning on my heating in winter or not. As such taxi's are un-affordable. I am not allow to drive for medical reasons, so a wheelchair is my only option and a lifeline. Okay Maybe if my health improves I may be able to conduct limited social life, a dream only possible with this transport service.

I remember my mother taking me and 3 siblings on buses and yes I know its a bother, but you have if you see this as an impediment, you should try being stuck in a wheelchair in this fairly inhospitable hilly, cobbled city.

I hope this has made just one person think before making such sweeping statements.

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HereComeTheGirls · 01/08/2008 18:19

Well, I would think most buggy users would vacate the space for a wheelchair. I certainly would, and I also suffer from ME (although not severe now, but it used to be) and my DD has a mild disability so can't stand while I fold her buggy, I would just get off the bus, and have several times.

I wouldn't condemn all buggy users as selfish based on one person's opinion on here.

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meep · 01/08/2008 19:26

oh god yes - I wouldn't hesitate to get off the bus/fold the buggy for a wheelchair user. I think (hope) the majority of mums are like that.

However, when I got my first pram I certainly didn't think whether or not it was suitable for a bus as I had no idea about this policy so it wasn't part of my thought process for buying a pram. There must be some poor soulds out there who have spent a fortune on their pram or had one gifted/donated to them in ignorance of the policy who really can't afford to buy a bus suitable one.

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nailpolish · 02/08/2008 15:44

wheelchair users get on the bus for free?

and fgs, anyone in their right mind would fold up their buggy for a wheelchair
its only common sense

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mawbroon · 02/08/2008 20:12

Since I sold my car, I have been taking up to three children under five (mindees plus my ds) on the bus.

I have one on my back, one in a buggy and the older one is 4.5 so walks. With this combo of children, I am still able to fold the buggy should there already be one on the bus.

lilangel1981 - if you are physically able, it is possible to babywear with twins. I am not sure how to do it when they are tiny, but once they are 4 months or so, it is possible to have one on the front and one on the back. Might be something worth thinking about!

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nailpolish · 03/08/2008 10:52

you can put a 4 mth old omn your back?
i dont knowif id like taht
i liek to see them

that great you are minding again, MB

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mawbroon · 03/08/2008 15:11

I had ds on my back from 4 months naily. I had a little mirror that i could use to see him. I was still able to talk to him as well which was nice. Not that he could talk back of course!

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aGalChangedHerName · 03/08/2008 15:26

Gosh my back would completely die on me if i had one on the front and one on the back lol.

Have you had an inspection this year yet MB?

I am bloody dreading mine. The paperwork is a PITA!!

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nailpolish · 03/08/2008 16:47

couldnt you have had him at the front MB?

jsut wondering

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nailpolish · 03/08/2008 16:49

i loved having the dds on the front

a i could nuzzle the velvety hair
b gaze at them sleeping
c hide my big belly

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mawbroon · 03/08/2008 16:53

He was too heavy on my front by that age in the useless mothercare baby carrier that I had at the time. I am sure that he could have stayed on my front much longer if I had got an ergo at that point.

agalch, I think one on the front and one on the back would actually balance you quite well! Haven't had inspection yet. Haven't even bothered my backside to look into it just yet. I guess I should get going eh? You did tell me that at the meet up in april!!

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