Not sure how I feel about this. I've recently listened to the (excellent) BBC Sounds podcast (season two of 'I'm not a Monster ) and there are a number of interviews with her which swayed me in different directions when listening.
I had originally agreed with the ruling to strip her - going along with the rhetoric that, yes she was fifteen, but she knew exactly what she was signing up for, and had seemed completely unrepentant and pro-Isis in her interviews.
Now, following the podcast, I'm not so sure. There are certainly times where she sounds unrepentant. But there are times when she explains that she could not - on many occasions - speak out against ISIS for fear of being killed. And there are times when she talks about being an easy person to 'make an example of' and it sounds quite convincing.
She was fifteen. Shy and ripe for exploitation.
She has lost three children.
Her friends are dead.
But... but... she actively went to a Caliphate and bought into the ideology. She married (willingly) a very active ISIS member and chose to stay even when things started to fall apart.
I think it all comes down to how much 'choice' she actually had once she arrived and how much she was indoctrinated into going in the first place. It's a tricky one and I'm torn.
Anyone else have a more clear view?
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Shamima Begum Bid for Citizenship Rejected
SlightlyJaded · 23/02/2024 13:09
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TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2024 02:57
If born and bred British citizen Shemima Begum poses a risk, why should any other country have to burden that risk?
TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2024 02:57
If born and bred British citizen Shemima Begum poses a risk, why should any other country have to burden that risk?
TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2024 03:49
Shemima Begum is British. She was born here. She was schooled here. She is just as British as you are @Thorntone.
Why do we not just strip all those suspected of crimes of their Statehood? Send them on a free holiday then not let them back in? It would be much cheaper than pesky trials, prisons and rehabilitation right?
Why should we bear any risk or responsibility if we don't have to?
TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2024 02:37
Are you British black, brown or of Asian decent? Are you Jewish? From Northern Ireland? Have a foreign parent,granny or spouse?
If so, you should be worried about this.
Shemima Begum, a British child who was groomed and trafficked has been made stateless scapegoat by our government and ISIS. It's a fucking disgrace and many British people are at risk because of this ruling.
TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2024 02:37
Are you British black, brown or of Asian decent? Are you Jewish? From Northern Ireland? Have a foreign parent,granny or spouse?
If so, you should be worried about this.
Shemima Begum, a British child who was groomed and trafficked has been made stateless scapegoat by our government and ISIS. It's a fucking disgrace and many British people are at risk because of this ruling.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Begum-v-SSHD-CA-2023-000900-2024-EWCA-Civ-152.pdf
Zuve · 24/02/2024 09:16
There is no Justice without mercy. She was immature and easily led. We all did silly things once. I think she should be allowed back
Sweetheart7 · 24/02/2024 03:52
I think what goes a miss with SM is that why did a 15 year old want to decide to join ISIS in the first place. What sort of family life did she come from?
Your point about "willingly" marrying..... I mean, in some cultures the term "willingly" married someone isn't that. They have NO choice I'm referring to UK also.
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