Mother with 2 sons in prison for two separate murders

[Lurksome]

She also provided a false alibi for one of them and is now is jail What must she be thinking?

Murders were completely unprovoked.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22155807

[Wannabestepfordwife]

About politics even

[Wannabestepfordwife]

What a disgusting thing to say handcream

Philpot was ruthless and driven by money if the welfare system didn't exsist then he would have probably pimped his wife and girlfriend out.

Benefits do not make monsters and it's incredibly disrespectful to the many decent people who have fallen in hard times.

It's also an insult to the deceased man by trying to make his death on politics.

( I'm not on benefits or left wing)

[LadyBeagleEyes]

ODFO Handcream.

[handcream]

Can we just say that this was a totally disfunctional family who lived on benefits (another family like the Philpotts!) who couldnt see right from wrong? They had the offer of an education and didnt take it up. She was taken time and time again to court for non attendance.

The whole family seem to have NO morals, no sense of right or wrong.

Is it society that allows people to behave like this?

I am getting sick of reading case after case of people like this, the Philipotts, that woman who had 11 children who was having a house built for her, this women with her murderous sons, it seems too easy to behave like this and all were doing whatever they want with benefits to support their lifestyle choices.

[girliefriend]

I wondered where social services was in all of this, would be very surprised if these boys hadn't been abused themselves in one form or another.

[morethanpotatoprints]

welcome.

I totally agree. My upbringing couldn't have been any further away from my birth family, total opposite. There were no murders or criminals but some of the similarities in temperament, preferences, some mannerisms even, was uncanny.
My adoption was from birth.

[waikikamookau]

and your adopted children, were they adopted from birth,
it is the early formative years that make a difference.

[waikikamookau]

absolutely, its in the genes.
but surely parenting or lack of, must play a part

[welcometomysillylife]

As the parent of three adopted children I am afraid to say that it's nature over nurture for me. How history repeats itself in a different environment is frightening.

[waikikamookau]

is how this story made me feel. what sort of lives did those boys have that their mother dragged them up, there was a hint that the were pretty much left to their own devices.
terrible.
perhaps they were goading each other to attack the man because of the older brother already being in prison

[Sunnywithshowers]

:(

Let's hope the 4th son (and any other siblings) manages to make a better life for themselves.

[lborolass]

Fargo68 - while you might be correct to say that teenage boys need a male role model nobody needs a male presence to be told that murder is wrong. I don't know anything about this family but I do think it's got to be a lot more complicated that the lack of a father figure(s).

[RhondaJean]

Yes while she's obviously wanting in th parenting department, she didn't manage to get pregnant and produce four sons alone.

And even let's suppose the father left an abusive relationship, he still left those four children behind.

So two lots of parenting failures there IMO.

[LadyBeagleEyes]

I'm utterly at this family, and also wondered about the father.

[Wannabestepfordwife]

What I can't get over is their eyes no remorse or shame just cold and psychopathic. What they must have seen at a young age to be so hardened must be shocking

[dothraki]

Their father was on the local news tonight. He didn't appear to think it was anything to do with him

[Lurksome]

Just show how vile this family are. I wonder if the 4th son was trying to take photos of the jury???

They pleaded not guilty btw. That says a lot too.

[Fargo86]

I blame the father. A mother can only do so much with teenage sons. They need a male role model to guide them.

[BoneyBackJefferson]

Sunnywithshowers
"Where is the father in all of this? I wonder what kind of role model / man he is to have such violent sons."

Maybe he had a lucky escape from an abusive relationship.
Maybe we will never know.

[morethanpotatoprints]

think your temperament is definitely nature but will agree that nurture plays a large part in determining if somebody will become a murderer.

[handcream]

I wouldnt want these men to be able to have children. What a vile family..

Does anyone really think that these men should have those opportunties. They will make the most appalling fathers.

[bigkidsdidit]

there's a 4th son too, who was jailed for contempt of court for taknig pictures of the courtroom during the trial.

[Mrsrobertduvall]

I bet she feels proud
thank god they are locked away.

[DreamsTurnToGoldDust]

Oh I agree its nuture rather than nature.

[LondonMother]

ADHD and psychopathy both have genetic factors and when combined with a duff upbringing make a person more likely to become violent. In any case, if a person has an appalling upbringing and turns out violent and utterly lacking in empathy, regardless of whether he is likely to pass on any genetic tendency, what kind of nurture is he likely to give his children?