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The Scientology Baby - the plot thickens

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JanH · 10/10/2005 08:38

HOW many months?

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sharklet · 12/10/2005 12:35

Well that about sums it up PeachyClaire!

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PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 12/10/2005 11:56

Found this whilst doing research in my Psychology lecture today (Ok, I got bored and surfed the academic journals). Think it makes the point on old TC better than me:

Title: Tom, you've said enough , USA Today, 07347456, JUL 07, 2005
Database: Academic Search Elite

Tom, you've said enough



You don't know me. Nor my Uncle Tommy. Nor the other tortured members of my family who have suffered from mental illness -- that neither exercise nor vitamins, as you claim, will vanquish.

Section: News, Pg. 11a

Fifteen minutes. That's all I want from Tom Cruise. I know he's a busy guy. Just 15 minutes.

Not to fight. That's not my style, although for some reason Tom sure seems primed for one these days.

Not to debate, either: We've all had enough of that when it comes to the can of mental-health worms he has opened in print with Brooke Shields and on TV with Matt Lauer, about the dangers of anti-depressants and the evils of psychiatry.

Fifteen minutes just to talk. But I'd do the talking: He might have said enough.

I'd start by taking a few of those minutes to introduce him to the memory of my mother's brother. He died in 1968 when I was just a small kid, but I vividly remember Uncle Tommy from my Sunday visits to my grandmother's house, where he spent frequent weekend-furloughs from the veterans' psych facility that he called home.

A sweet guy

I remember a sweet and quiet guy, but also a troubled and sad one -- even to my small eyes. I'd tell Tom that I don't think any amount of vitamins or exercise would have helped Uncle Tommy as I saw him. And I'd say that though there might be no such thing as a chemical imbalance, something put Uncle Tommy in that corner living-room chair of my grandmother's house, talking quietly to himself. Something put him in that hospital, too, where he died in his 30s. I'd just want to tell Tom Cruise that.

Then I'd take five minutes to tell him about me and my own mother and Thanksgiving Day 1977, when I was a young teen. About how I found her that morning and about her struggle to survive just that one Thursday. I'd tell Tom that I don't like to remember, much less talk about, Thanksgiving 1977, but I'd be willing to revisit it with him.

We could speculate about heredity and genetics and how mental health involves the brain as an organ, with wiring and neurotransmitters -- maybe even chemicals. And how my mom, with seven kids and a decent diet, didn't suffer from lack of vitamins and exercise.

After that, I'd mention to Tom how a while back my aunt ended years of her own mental disorder by buying a handgun, retreating to her empty apartment, and firing into her head.

To end the pain in one shot.

But I'd get through that tale quickly it's a tragic one anyway so that I could spend my remaining minutes on what I talk to no one about in this image-conscious town and business where I live and work (Hollywood): my life over the past 10 years since the genetic family giant awoke in me.

I'd tell him about the private agony since Christmas 1995 when something got out of whack an imbalance, if he would allow and about how the long days and longer nights since have been about trying to restore that balance.

Making an exception

The details of the struggle are no one's business let alone the readers of the nation's newspaper but I'd make an exception for Tom Cruise. Because I'd just want him to know about someone like me, not that dissimilar from him, a single, white, early-40s guy in a stressful profession, but someone familiar with taking medicine to address biological needs.

Then I'd try to explain how I think it's so important for him to know me and to know the hurt his dismissive broad-stroke words have on guys like me and the damage they might have on others who may use them as a substitute for a medical diagnosis that I'm willing to sacrifice my privacy to do so.

With any remaining time, I'd tell Tom that I applaud his seeming concern for his fellow man I really do as well as his interest in talking about more than just movies. But then I'd ask, respectfully, where (and, for that matter, when?) did he study the history of psychiatry? And does he know there's a difference, for starters, among anti-depressant and anti-psychotic and anti-anxiety medication, or the difference among depression and melancholy and psychosis and learning disabilities, or between adults who are prescribed drugs and kids who abuse them? And does the Harvard School of Medicine know about his conclusions? Because I don't see them in the piece I'm currently reading about the diagnosis and treatment of mental health.

Finally, I'd tell him that though I, too, think the population as a whole is well over-medicated with all kinds of substances that mask rather than treat issues and that we all should question anything we ingest before we ingest it I think eliminating legitimate treatment might not be the best way to treat a problem. I don't think it eliminates the problem.

It might in fact make it worse.

Fifteen minutes. That's all I need. To tell Tom Cruise that.

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Jim McKairnes is a writer who lives in Los Angeles.

(c) USA TODAY, 2005


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Source: USA Today, JUL

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TwoIfBySea · 11/10/2005 21:07

Hints of Rosemary's Baby on this one.

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homemama · 11/10/2005 17:36

Check out the 'telly addicts' thread if you want the lowdown.
Judy looked like she wanted to shout, 'Stop talking shit woman!'

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 17:31

No DD has finally passed out in the lounge and I can't risk turning on the tv!!!

I'd forgotten about Ms Cruz... she must have been scared sh*tless!

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homemama · 11/10/2005 17:24

r u lot watching richard and judy?

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bundlebat · 11/10/2005 16:15

this is hysterically funny. but the stuff re: not being allowed to talk to the baby for a week after its birth is downright irresponsible and probably result in mass PND amongst scientology mothers...oops sorry, they don't believe in that do they? they just pop a few vitamins and there's the fake smile back..yuk

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homemama · 11/10/2005 15:38

Can't stop PMSL at this thread.
I wonder what penelope cruz thought of it all? I can't imagine the idea of Jesus being a paedophile sits well with a catholic girl.

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 14:21

Did she not dump Pacey for Batman? If she didn't, I'm sure batman was interested - he's gotta be taller than Tom if nothing else, and can scare him with his superior height.

I mean... short arse arrogant tosser.... or batman? Do you really have to think about it??

The sister's doing well out of this - no idea if she had clients before, but now suddenly in charge of two!

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dillydally · 11/10/2005 14:17

Can Pacey not rush in and save her?

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mygirllolipop · 11/10/2005 14:14

Message withdrawn

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LadyTophamHatt · 11/10/2005 14:08

I read that too earlybird.

It it really creepy, isn't it?!

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Earlybird · 11/10/2005 14:05

The following item from an American industry publication shows just how much Katie Holmes has allowed herself to be influenced (or controlled?) by Tom Cruise and his Scientology camp - both personally and professionally:

from imdb:
Pregnant actress Katie Holmes has fired her publicist Leslie Sloane-Zelnick after nine years together, and has hired her fiance Tom Cruise's sister as her new spokesperson. The Batman Begins star and Cruise announced her pregnancy last week, which comes only six months after the couple began dating. Since Holmes began her controversial relationship with Cruise, she has parted ways with her management company, agents and now Sloane-Zelnick. Holmes will now be represented by Cruise's sister and fellow Scientologist Lee Anne DeVette, who became the actor's spokesperson last year after he left his longtime publicist Pat Kingsley. Sloane-Zelnick tells the New York Daily News, "We were with her for nine years. We wish her the best. She has chosen to work with her future sister-in-law. We wish her well, and congratulate her on her happy news."

The whole situation is so creepy. It's almost as if she's been brainwashed....

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PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 11/10/2005 13:58

but what about Mimi ( his first wife)- she supposedly couldn't get pg by him either...

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Blu · 11/10/2005 13:54

This whole thing of 'he and Nicole couldn't have children' as the basis for our suspicions that this time there is some skulduggery: I was thinking last night - do you think we have it all wrong? Nicole was certainly able to get pregnant with Tom, but refused because she wasn't prepared to give birth in silence??

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 13:40

This whole situation has had tears of laughter streaming down my face for days now!!!

My mum walked in to find me laughing hysterically over the Oprah clip, and wanted to know what was so funny... she didn't seem to get it though

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LadyTophamHatt · 11/10/2005 13:38

This bit was funnier........

"Either one of those crazy bastards is coming out with a movie and they've jumped the publicity stunt into overdrive, or things have gotten terribly out of hand and Katie Holmes is actually pregnant. Although I could've sworn Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman adopted children because he couldn't get people pregnant. Something about not having any sperm or preferring sex with men. Whatever the reason, it doesn't make sense that he would suddenly be able to start knocking people up. I don't know what's going on here, but it's freaking me out, man."


I do wonder how they get away with saying all that, didn't TC sue a paper for something similsr a while ago.


God, i'd love to know what's true and whats not......

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PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 11/10/2005 13:37

It'd have to be Peach for sarcasm... my family and I are always getting b'llocked for it so I HAVE to assume nobody gets what i mean or I get the baseball bat round the back treatment again (It was OK we got away too fast- and no, that WASN'T a joke!!)

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 13:35

I knew that! We really need a colour change for sarcasm on here don't we?

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 13:34

"So help me God, I will climb into Katie Holmes' womb right now if it'll shut her up for seven days after I come out. Not to mention that being in his fiancé's vagina means that I won't be seeing Tom Cruise for a while either. It's a win-win situation. Except for Katie Holmes' vagina. But really, it's about to marry Tom Cruise, so it better get used to losing."

LMAO!!

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PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 11/10/2005 13:34

flamebat, it was a joke!!!!!!!! don't want to start any more rumours!!! But, you never know do you? Noene of this makes sense anyway

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LadyTophamHatt · 11/10/2005 13:33

grrrrrr

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LadyTophamHatt · 11/10/2005 13:32
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LadyTophamHatt · 11/10/2005 13:32

\link{http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9620245/here too, just followed a link from the first one}

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flamebat · 11/10/2005 13:32

She was artificially inseminated with three of hubbard's best swimmers???

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