Campus universities with beautiful old buildings

[Trewser]

I know, i know. But dd2 is reluctant to go to any open days, and this is her (childish and silly i know) requirement. I thought if we could at least do ONE she will start to be more open minded!

[Shimy]

@Needmoresleep & @ErrolTheDragon I typed out a reply to you both earlier on but was on a very problematic gadget that spontaneously "refreshed" by itself and wiped it all out. I was too busy to start retyping it all. Thanks for your comments. Its always a pleasure to be able to discuss education, outcomes, universities etc with others etc i've certainly learnt a lot.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Should be one word, keelhaul. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keelhauling

Sorry, that's probably the most off-point digression in the history of HE threads - though I suppose we could probably dredge up some literary or film references.

[Piggywaspushed]

OK, now I get it...

[Piggywaspushed]

OK, I saw keel haul. But I don't get it. Is this something in Urban Dictionary??!

[Trewser]

bubbles I've always been quite keen on film particularly as the people i know who work in it earn good money. It can be piecemeal, but very well paid when ypu are working. And really exciting if you like that sort of thing!

[captainoftheshipwreck]

Piggy I didn't get it either. Maybe because I have an English degree. From Keele.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Keel haul, piggy.

[Needmoresleep]

A lot of this will be to do with where the grads work and for whom.

Or perhaps the subject material they covered in the course. Basic economics is that employers will pay for skills that are in shortage. LSE offers some very technical degrees, that give access to jobs requiring financial maths, many of their grads have a second or third language, and so on.

Statistic will only tell you so much. Ask an economics grad! A Wolverhampton grad with strong emotional intelligence, a good work ethic, an organised approach to job search, and good inter-personal skills will be very employable. Part will be the economics they have learned. Other factors count for a lot as well.

[Piggywaspushed]

I've looked and looked, and don't get the Keele Hall thing...

[Piggywaspushed]

Film and TV are partly about who you know but I have taught many students who now have jobs in film , at BBC/ ITV / Sky/ Warner Bros/ Empire Magazine, and at independent film companies.

It is very competitive, but it is a large and growing industry. One of Britain's most buoyant.

One thing that is very significant is the part of the country you find yourself in. I'd suggested anyone who genuinely wants to work in film (or TV) does not stray too far from London or other media centres, such as Manchester and Glasgow. Sadly, it's a very metropolitan business. And get work experience!

[BubblesBuddy]

Trewser: it’s exactly TV and film where DDs very intelligent friends have had the most difficulty getting sustained well paid work. None have post grad qualifications of relatives that can give them a leg up. So maybe it’s an industry that’s more about who you know, rather than what you know.

I think some findings in the earnings table from the IFS are surprising but when you remember that over 50 universities offer Law, is it surprising there are young people who don’t make the grade as legal professionals. Few are at the Bar from non RG universities for example. So choosing a university for Law or English is important for earnings.

The report also makes clear the large salary differences between Economics grads at LSE and those at Wolverhampton. A lot of this will be to do with where the grads work and for whom. It may also suggest Wolverhampton grads stay local and don’t try for the higher paying jobs.

I don’t think they publish every course at every university in the Report. However there is a clear conclusion that RG is best and Bath in particular is up there with the best. I also think some students and some universities are very jobs focussed. Others are more laid back and don’t know what they want to do so they are less well prepared for getting competitive jobs. It could be some RG universities have more of the latter and less of the former.

[FlyingSquid]

I wasn't until you pointed it out, Errol!

[Trewser]

I think she will possibly want to go into tv and film (not a complete pipe dream as have family members involved!)

[ErrolTheDragon]

Trewser - I'm afraid HE threads frequently go way off topic!

(Is anyone else still wincing slightly at the name 'Keele Hall'?)

[Xenia]

(On law, and the qustion of how long to high pay if you read law at university and do the LPC one year post grad course your startings alary in London at the good firms is about £40k and after 2 years (when you qualify) it moves up to around £70k to £80k. Most people aren't able to get those jobs however. So one year out of university £40k, 3 years £80k.)

[MouthyHarpy]

Bath is not good for the Humanities.

[Trewser]

She doesn't want to do Law.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Xpost, that was re bubbles posts.

Shimy, no, I wouldn't have expected a Law grad to be earning more than some of the others after 5 years. One obvious point is that many at the higher end of that table have done 'vocational' degrees - Law sounds as though it should be in that category but isn't really.
'Computing' I'd assume would include quite a lot of more 'technician' type IT jobs - I'm not sure whether the top end computer scientists would even be in that category rather than engineering, and some of the more difficult algorithm development sector needs maths/physics (and in my area, chemistry) specialisms.

[Needmoresleep]

Shimy, my observation is that computing is a popular subject in lower ranking Universities. Not a bad thing in itself, but graduates are presumably more likely to go onto relatively low paid jobs, say a firm's in house help desk.

In contrast there are a small number of courses popular with Silicon Valley recruiters, where starting salaries can be eye watering.

It was very apparent talking to a friend whose son wanted to study computer game design. A great course at Imperial, but then a big drop off to courses with significantly lower entry qualifications.

[Daffodil2018]

I saw someone recommended Bath, and with the best will in the world, the campus buildings are ugly AF! The grounds are beautiful though and once you get to second year onwards most people live in town, which truly is gorgeous.

[Shimy]

I’ve looked at that report and can’t seem to see salary breakdown by subject and university. Can someone tell me which page it’s on pls?

[ErrolTheDragon]

Yes, quite so. Without having looked at the details of the stats I'd hazard a guess that 'the same degree was often better at RG because these grads earned more' applies quite strongly for Law?

[Shimy]

@Needmoresleep You’re right, but I still thought a graduate in any Computing subject would be earning more than a History graduate 5yrs on (not because Computing is more important) but because it’s a bigger sector with more opportunities?


@ErrolTheDragon
Still, 5yrs on one would’ve expected a Law graduate to be earning more than some of the others on that graph. But you’re right most of the time you imagine a big shot corporate lawyer in 5yrs and that just isn’t the case.

[BubblesBuddy]

For a barrister it can be two years with a law degree and about the same for a solicitor unless fast track. However many Barristers will take longer due to other qualifications or skills being acquired along the way.

[BubblesBuddy]

Most Law grads don’t work in a legal job! Another problem with perception. There are around 6500 training contracts each year and 450 pupillages for Barristers. These are open to all sorts of grads and typically about 50% plus will be Law grads. So the Law grad salaries after 5 years certainly are not all from solicitor or barrister jobs or even in house legal jobs. Far too many get Law degrees who never get a sniff of being a solicitor or barrister.