Anyone have a child studying at a University outside the UK?

[Eve]

Looking at options for DS and a university in Copenhagan runs a degree course in Englishin the subject are that he is interested in ...and the appealing bit - no fees for European citizens.

..anyone any experience of European education?

[TinklyLittleLaugh]

Well DD went to the Trinity College Dublin open day and decided to apply. I have been gently discouraging her. I suppose if she goes there, and the worst comes to the worst fees wise, she could probably transfer to a UK uni.

[NormaSmuff]

DD wants to go via Erasmus ideally to Iceland but apparently that is over popular.
only problem being where to live when she comes back as it is 4 months and she will need to carry on at her current uni when she comes back

[scaryteacher]

Thisyear The exception to that for UK universities are children of Crown Servants (HM Forces, F.O. MoD) who are educated abroad due to their parents postings by HMG. They are counted as Home students for fee purposes.

[ShanghaiDiva]

DODDOT - your dd's medical experience is completely normal for China. Tell her to hang on to the x-ray as in theory whenever you renew your visa you need a new medical, but if you still have all the documents and x-rays they may skip the medical. I have been here nine years and only had a medical the first year.

[languagelearner]

I have no real idea about this but would venture to guess (hypothesis) that someone enrolled in a program, now, would be allowed to continue it, but someone enrolling in separate courses, one after another, might be more affected by the future change, whenever it comes. Just a guess, right out of the blue.

[Bobochic]

Actually, it is surprisingly easy to enter HEC, ESSEC and ESCP from outside France, but you need a three-year undergraduate degree to do so. My DP does admissions at one of those schools and knows lots about it.

[user7214743615]

It is extremely difficult to enter Grandes Ecoles from outside France, even leaving aside the issues of fees and visas. (French students attend prepa for several years after leaving school to pass the entrance exams.)

[bojorojo]

If you cannot speak the target language before going abroad, the choice of university is much more limited. Few teach in English so world rankings may not mean much. I don't think A levels in the target MFL are good enough but you can do intensive language courses at U.K. Universities and then do a year abroad in Y3. This is the best option I believe. There would be a far greater choice of top class universities such as Grand Ecoles in France but again Brexit might interfere with that as it is Erasmus!

[bojorojo]

It is a sad fact that people who voted leave probably cared very little about students studying in Europe. All I hear is anger against 'the middle class Liberal elite' and that appears to mean people who have a European Education as well as anyone living South of Watford Gap!

Currently Swiss universities are part of Erasmus. I believe the Swiss Government pays for this to happen but it is for a relatively small number of students. It is debatable whether ours will do the same if we are to have hard Brexit. There is huge pressure to spend money on the NHS, care in the community, keeping companies in this country and agriculture and, of course, JAMs: all of which get way more publicity.

Higher education has been dire in expressing concerns over Brexit. Academics or experts are part of the elite who are now shunned by 'ordinary' people - or brainwashed people. Such a sad state of affairs for young people!

[Grufallosfriend]

Yes, agree with you completely. Also, it is worth looking at global University rankings for your chosen field before choosing where to apply.

[ThisYearWillbeBetter]

Well, they're absolutely positive reasons for studying abroad.

But it's counterproductive to start from a "Fees are lower in the Netherlands than the UK" position. Wrong reason to choose to study outside the UK.

[Grufallosfriend]

I would love my children to study abroad as it opens up so many opportunities: becoming bilingual, understanding another culture, seeing the UK from outside, and it opens up a much bigger job market. Saving tuition fees would be relatively low on my list, but still a factor to consider.

[ThisYearWillbeBetter]

Corkie, as a EU citizen you can study at any EU university if you have the relevant school leaving diploma (and pass any language requirements).
It does not matter where in the world you have been living before applying

That's not the case for UK citizens. There are residence requirements if you want to pay Home/EU fees. Ditto, as far as I know with any certainty, in the Irish Republic.

If you are UK citizens, but have lived abroad, or been educated out of the UK, for most of the period before attending university, at most universities in England & Wales, you will be an overseas student for fee purposes.

You need to check with individual universities for chapter & verse on this.

[ThisYearWillbeBetter]

At my institution, we are looking at what happened to the Swiss in participating in various educational & research schemes with the EU. The deal hinged on the Swiss reluctance to allow freedom of movement; the EU does not budge on that (thank goodness!) The EU prevailed.

Brexiteers are very gung ho about controlling borders, immigration, and getting rid of EU freedom of movement principles. So it is highly unlikely once Article 50 is passed, that the EU will remain open to UK citizens in the way it is now. The next generation's loss.

So those advising on this thread about caution are absolutely correct. In academia, we are watching what's happened elsewhere, and making quite logical, evidence-based inferences from it.

The other things to think about in terms of a university education elsewhere in Europe are about language, culture, what sort of university experience you/your DC want, and what they want to do after graduation.

If your DC want a career principally in the UK, then do a degree in the UK, but one which has the possibility of a year/semester abroad.

If you're looking at the rest of Europe (including the EU) for reasons of saving money on fees, that is the wrong criterion. It's a false economy, and probably not that much of an economy.

[Grufallosfriend]

Corkie, as a EU citizen you can study at any EU university if you have the relevant school leaving diploma (and pass any language requirements).
It does not matter where in the world you have been living before applying.

[Breward]

What do people think now about studying in Europe after yesterday's hard Brexit announcement?

It must be really hard for those looking to start courses in Sept 2017.

[TinklyLittleLaugh]

Hmm lots to think about. So bloody annoying that brexit is limiting our kids' options.

[CorkieD]

Entitlement to EU/EEA fees is dependent on residency and nationality. Dual citizenship may not be enough if the student was normally resident in the UK before commencing the course.

[astarman]

Speculation? Yes, because that is all that is possible at the moment. From a position of no knowledge? Well I suppose you could have reached that conclusion if you didn't read carefully.

The confusing thing with EEA membership is that, at least as far student finance goes, it would be possible for every EU member state to come up with different regulations that might, should that be our ultimate destiny, see Brits being treated differently in all 27 countries. Try being Norwegian and studying in Britain. At least as far as the Netherlands goes it is clear that this wouldn't make any difference.

The one thing that is clear is that if we leave, we will leave from one day to the next and whatever your status was the day before will be of no importance the day after.

[user1474361571]

But ultimately this blog doesn't have any information - they are speculating on what would happen, without doing so from a position of knowledge.

FWIW fee status is not EU and non-EU, but EU/EEA and non-EU/non-EEA. So, for example, the Swiss pay the EU rate of fees despite not being a member of the EU. I suspect it is unlikely that we will be in the EEA or some equivalent of the EEA made up for Britain i.e. soft Brexit is less likely than hard Brexit. However, in the event that we are EEA members (or some equivalent) it would be perfectly legal for EU countries to have different rules for us than for other countries in the world.

I agree that there is a lot of uncertainty and this in itself is a reason to be cautious about studying in the EU but really nobody knows what will happen yet. (Universities in the UK and the rest of the EU are making income projections based on alternate scenarios.)

[Sadusername]

This blog seems to be saying that the fees for British students would go up in the Netherlands as soon as UK left. I think I would be reluctant to start a course in EU .
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[dotdotdotmustdash]

Dd and her fellow Uk students have been in China for two weeks. Today they had to have a medical for their student visas. She said it was awful - they were taken to a hospital and treated like cattle. They had x-rays, abdominal ultrasounds, and ECG and bloods taken. She said they left an big hole in her arm and the blood was running down it and she fainted. They had to sit on other student's x-rays and one girl was told she had gallstones.

Today is one of the days when I bless our NHS.

[Eve]

Thank you, we are all dual citizenship ( can be triple citizenship if required).

On further research the university was ranked way to low to consider it... Basically what haybott said.

Tinkly - fees aside - trinity is a huge amount of fun! Didn't go there but had a few misdemours there!

[Takeittotheboss]

Dot, I've pm-ed you.

[CorkieD]

Be careful with winging it. Those who enrol from next year onwards are taking a risk.

Fees for non-EU students can be quite considerable. For example, In Trinity College Dublin, fees for non-EU students are €40,000 per year for undergraduate medicine and somewhere in the region of €24,000 for science and engineering. The non-EU fees for medicine in the University of Amsterdam are €20,000.