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Guest post: “The family law courts system is adding to trauma”

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NicolaDMumsnet · 29/11/2023 11:57

Lisa Hidler

Lisa Hilder has 25 years of experience as a charity trustee and social entrepreneur, with experience as a senior manager and strategic service planner for the NHS. As a committed feminist activist, Lisa helped to co-found both the Preston Road Women’s Centre in Hull and Affordable Justice. Lisa’s particular skills lie in collaborating on social investment projects, allocating funds for maximum return and benefit.

Splitting up from your partner is not often civilised. If you’ve undergone trauma and abuse in your relationship then separation is rarely the end of the story. Throw children into the mix and you have an emotional powder keg that is often weaponised by ex-partners when going through any family law court hearings. It can drag on for years and cause a great deal of stress and anxiety.

Abusive men with histories of abuse and coercive control have learnt how to use the family law system to continue exerting that control within the legal parameters. We have experienced many incidents where perpetrators have used the family law courts system to shame and defame women, while entrapping them in a process that is expensive of time, attention, emotion and financial resources.

We have seen false accusations of abuse and parental alienation (where the perpetrator accuses the woman of turning the children against him), trapping women who are expected to facilitate contact between violent fathers and children. Such situations only serve to perpetuate opportunities for further abuse. Delaying tactics, such as not preparing the right documents, or not preparing them at all, impact women financially as they often have to take on the burden of any additional expenses generated as a direct result of delays to proceedings.

Even women in relationships where abuse did not occur can fall foul of the system. Not only are they financially at a disadvantage, but aggrieved ex-partners can recognise weak spots in legal processes and manipulate them accordingly.

Here is what one of our clients had to say about her experiences during hearings:

“He used it to try and gain control. He made loads of false allegations against me. People do not understand the pain of someone using the family courts against me.”

Affordable Justice recognises that despite ‘the law’s’ protestations that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, when it comes to family law, women enter the legal system with less power, less resource, and with their identities and experience less valid in the eyes of the institutional norms.

It is for this reason that our approach is uniquely based on a feminist framework of practice, which places the woman’s needs front and centre of all proceedings. Having worked extensively in the family law courts system, there is no trick that we have not seen, to the point that we can second-guess many of the tactics used by men to sabotage processes.

What this feminist framework means is that:

  • The woman is heard, listened to and believed.
  • Emphasis is placed on her desired outcome, rather than the most aggressive legal outcome.
  • She is protected against any weaponising tactics used by her abuser.


How this works in practice is dependent on each individual woman’s circumstances. On a practical level, it might be as simple as arranging with the courts themselves to erect temporary screens so that there is no visual contact between our client and her abuser. We might ensure that entering and exiting the building itself is carefully planned, or separate waiting areas are allocated, so that any direct contact is avoided.

Whatever physical steps we take on behalf of our women clients, most importantly we ensure our approach is fully trauma-informed. When the onus on the woman is to produce evidence that is often difficult to produce, the fear and anxiety are piled on top of existing trauma from living through a damaging relationship. Her trauma and experiences are diminished. Affordable Justice believes that every woman has the right to be believed and should be given the opportunity to state her case without the fear of intimidation, indifference and prejudice.

To date, this approach has benefited the 1,165 women we have helped since setting up Affordable Justice back in 2016, and with a 97% success rate (UK average for women being represented by high street solicitors is usually around 12%) these women now have a quality of life that they deserve, free from the fear, threats and intimidation of their ex-partners.

Financially we have disrupted the system as well. Your average high-street solicitor charges about £350 an hour plus VAT. Even the most professional of women in well paid jobs will struggle to pay this. As a non-profit legal firm with charitable status, we have been able to strip out the profit element, reducing fees to less than a third of what is usually charged, without compromising on the expertise and quality of the service.

We are now firmly placed to start seriously disrupting the system and giving women a much fairer and more empathic escape route from abusive relationships. We’d love to hear your experiences.

Website: www.affordablejustice.co.uk/
Guest post: “The family law courts system is adding to trauma”
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sawdustformypony · 04/12/2023 14:26

Seems you like to see things in terms of pristine black and white.

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TheFireflies · 04/12/2023 14:39

”He used it to try and gain control. He made loads of false allegations against me. People do not understand the pain of someone using the family courts against me.”

This line could also be said by many fathers in the family justice system.

What we really need is the reinstatement of legal aid but it’s not going to happen.

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WhereIsBebèsChambre · 04/12/2023 17:28

TheFireflies · 04/12/2023 14:39

”He used it to try and gain control. He made loads of false allegations against me. People do not understand the pain of someone using the family courts against me.”

This line could also be said by many fathers in the family justice system.

What we really need is the reinstatement of legal aid but it’s not going to happen.

Yes,

  • The woman is heard, listened to and believed. whatever she says?
  • Emphasis is placed on her desired outcome, rather than the most aggressive legal outcome. only her desired outcome? Not what's best for the children?
  • She is protected against any weaponising tactics used by her abuser. what's a weaponising tactic?
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NumberTheory · 05/12/2023 08:03

It's pretty sad such a positive resource for women gets such a hostile reception on a predominantly female site.

We hear from plenty of women on here about how traumatising the court system can be and how their exes control them through it. It's sounds like this is a much needed approach.

I'm curious, Lisa, what counts as a "success" for your organization in relation to the 97% vs 12% success rate that you cite. Because it sounds like a massive change in court outcome - is that what is happening? Women are winning in court more because of the protection from weaponising tactics and having their legal representatives trust and believe what they say? Or is the emphasis on listening to what women want changing what they ask the courts (or their ex) for and making a mutual agreement more likely?

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Lisamaripurplehouse · 05/12/2023 09:43

Thanks for your question. Really the success rate is a combination of really listening to what women want and equally what they don't want as well as having very experienced very capable advocates who can make powerful arguments to the court. Those things together mean women get what they are looking for.
Also since we are not motivated by maximising the amount of income into the organisations (as a commercial firm might be) we can advise on what the most cost effective solutions could be and women appreciate this.

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Lisamaripurplehouse · 05/12/2023 09:47

Our service is by women for women so of course we listen to what our clients want. We can advise on what women should ask for in family court, whose role it is to decide what is in everyone's best interests (including the children) based on the evidence. Abusers can use many tactics including (as just one example) repeated, sometimes spurious proceedings just to force the woman to spend time and money defending them. It's sad but true.

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WandaWonder · 05/12/2023 09:51

This all presumes the women is 100% free of ever doing wrongdoing, and the man is always 100% to blame

Real life does not work like this it should be equal to start with then take it from there

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WhereIsBebèsChambre · 05/12/2023 11:29

Its not being 'hostile' it's being realistic. It's not fair to lead people into thinking that 'her desired outcome' is what will happen.
There's a current thread, where some one on leaving a dvd was given 'advice' when homeless to turn down a council flat as 'she would then get a house where she wanted because she was a mum with children' as this is her 'desired outcome'. That's not gone well.

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sawdustformypony · 05/12/2023 12:54

Our service is by women for women so of course we listen to what our clients want.

Hardly revolutionary stuff - most solicitors do listen to what their clients want. The inclusion "of course" is laughable too. In my own firm, where our family clients are both men and women, because we employ solicitors who are men and women of course we listen to what our clients want. Obvs.

whose role it is to decide what is in everyone's best interests (including the children)

No it isn't. The paramount interest of the Court is the welfare of the children, (this is really family law 101 stuff) if the best interests of the parents aren't met then too bad.

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Lisamaripurplehouse · 05/12/2023 14:30

Our service presents all the options to women and gives them realistic advice about what they can expect based on the facts and the circumstances of the case and then supports their choices, hence the satisfaction levels.
We work with many women who have previously been represented by firms in the commercial sector who have simply exploited them for whatever funds they may have and we end up picking up their cases when they can no longer afford commercial rates for (sometimes) suboptimal services.

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LorlieS · 10/12/2023 01:17

Get rid of Cafcass. Simples.

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Lovedthosechips · 12/12/2023 18:59

Your service is important. I wish it had been around to help two of my friends. Until women are equally represented as perpetrators of abuse then I am delighted services like this exist.

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WrongSwanson · 13/12/2023 00:34

I think as a mother who has experienced abuse I would like to see you reframe your language so it is about the best interests of the children. I actually only ever wanted my children's interests put first. But I did want the court to understand that it was in the children's best interests that any outcome protected me from further abuse (emotional/financial/physical)

I'm wary of this sounding a bit like the dads rights nonsense that has held the courts captive for too long. We want to swing back to children's rights coming first, surely? But of course we need judges to understand that post separation abuse really harm's children.

I love the idea of this charity but I don't think the language used needs some reflection

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Catastrophejane · 13/12/2023 08:29

WandaWonder · 05/12/2023 09:51

This all presumes the women is 100% free of ever doing wrongdoing, and the man is always 100% to blame

Real life does not work like this it should be equal to start with then take it from there

It’s interesting you bring up ‘real life’. Of course women should be treated equally, but that is not the case.

As a member of several women’s support groups, in real life
the overwhelming majority of abusive partners are male.

Women also tend to be more likely to put their kid’s needs first. Men tend to weaponise. My ex-H was emotionally and psychologically abusive, but he tells everyone I was the abuser. So, I’m always extremely wary of men spouting the ‘psycho ex’ line.

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Igmum · 13/12/2023 08:41

I had over seven years in the Family Courts. I'm an articulate professional with a good income. Ex was a violent, alcoholic drug addict. The courts didn't care and DD was further damaged by enforced court ordered contact. It's over now, but only after he tried to strangle her. I don't know whether your organisation does what it claims to but anything that persuades the Family Courts to take abuse seriously and protect women and children from it is welcome.

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cupofdecaf · 13/12/2023 08:50

I think you're doing a brilliant job. There are cases where the dads face the same problems but they are fewer because of resources, social expectations and the statistical direction of abuse.
The system needs to really put children at the centre and realise the abuse in the parental relationship, even if they don't see it or it's not physical is very damaging. Abusing their mum (or dad) is abusing them.
Personally I think a lot of women are so exhausted from a breakup and trying to hold it all together they really struggle with the court system. They don't get the straight forward practical advice they need ( not necessarily the solicitors fault its costs and interfering family in their ear, lack of hope or information) to get the best results for them and their children. If your charity is changing that then brilliant.

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Catastrophejane · 13/12/2023 08:51

@Igmum you have my sympathy. Like you I’m an articulate professional, but think the system treats women as lying, hysterical, manipulative harridans who want to deprive men of their children.

Tales of children turning up to school not dressed properly, without their necessary kit, or without lunch is dismissed as fussy mothers with impossibly high standards. But it’s a sign of neglect. It sounds minor compared to what your daughter experienced, but my ex used to do this just to wind me up. This was by no means the worst of his behaviour, but it was abuse.

I also think this high handed approach of ‘equality’ of parents is damaging for kids. The courts are way behind on being aware of how the court system is another tool for abuse.

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Igmum · 13/12/2023 09:01

Yes @Catastrophejane this is exactly it. The Victorian assumption that women and small boys lie. And the crazy assumption that men never lie. Ex told so many ridiculous lies to the court and to CAFCASS, many of which I totally disproved, but they would not listen. It still baffles me. Surely it is their job to ask simple straightforward questions and look at the evidence. Instead they opted for Parental Alienation on no evidence at all. Misogyny runs deep in those institutions.

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LorlieS · 13/12/2023 12:36

@Igmum Totally agree. Cafcass definitely support fathers at ALL costs, even when categorically this is not in the best interests of the child. They allow narcissistic men to continue their abuse through the child and both mothers and the children suffer further.

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Catastrophejane · 14/12/2023 20:48

sawdustformypony · 05/12/2023 12:54

Our service is by women for women so of course we listen to what our clients want.

Hardly revolutionary stuff - most solicitors do listen to what their clients want. The inclusion "of course" is laughable too. In my own firm, where our family clients are both men and women, because we employ solicitors who are men and women of course we listen to what our clients want. Obvs.

whose role it is to decide what is in everyone's best interests (including the children)

No it isn't. The paramount interest of the Court is the welfare of the children, (this is really family law 101 stuff) if the best interests of the parents aren't met then too bad.

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I’m not a lawyer, but sadly have a lot of experience of family courts due to abusive ex.

You are entirely right, of course, that it’s all about the kids. However, anyone abusing their ex partner and parent of their kids is by extension abusing their kids. This is something that doesn’t seem to be recognised by the courts. There appears to be no mechanism to punish this behaviour ( presumably because the only deterrent would be the threat to remove or limit access, which would be seen as punishing the child. And would be unfair in the child)

I’m sure you’ve seen many examples where either a client or a client’s ex is behaving in an unreasonable way and using their kids as a way of maintaining control over an ex, or to cause them upset.

There seems to be a lot of hostility to this post ( mainly from lawyers it would seem!) I know there are many good solicitors out there. But you have to admit that the system is broken.

A standard solicitor often charges £350 + VAT per hour- that is a huge amount of money- even for people who are highly paid.

A spiteful ex can cause endless trips to court and soaring legal fees.

At least this is organisation is attempting to address the issue of ex’s who use the legal system as a tool for abuse. And if they aren’t approaching it in the right way, then how should it tackled?

I would be really interested in hearing from solicitors on how they think it should be improved

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