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Guest post: "Thank you, Angelina Jolie" - why we need to talk about the menopause

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 26/03/2015 12:33

When Angelina Jolie Pitt was pregnant with her twins she said something that made me dislike her intensely:

"It's great for the sex life. It just makes you a lot more creative. So you have fun..."

For most of us, pregnant sex is more comedy than fun, and being creative only means coming up with ways to conceal your leaking breasts and dangling piles. To be fair to Angelina, she's probably more enthusiastic about pregnant-porking than I ever was because she gets to do it with Brad Pitt.

I've forgiven her after reading her article in the New York Times this week, though. She wrote eloquently about her decision to have her ovaries removed, thereby pushing her into menopause, in order to manage her inherited cancer risk.

Seeing a well written, well informed, high profile article about the menopause makes me happy. Probably even happier than a romp with Brad Pitt might. Because we don't talk about menopause in the public arena, do we?

Information about the menarche is delivered in schools. Though there's a massive range in the quality of information, and much of what is delivered is sponsored by brands and far from perfect, at least it's out there. (If you're looking for help with explaining periods to young women, by the way, then have a look at Period Positive.) You're usually not a school pupil when you get to the other end of the fertility spectrum, though - so, where are you supposed to get the facts about menopause?

Magazines, radio, articles and online forums are where most women land up, which is fine, except there is a lot of misinformation out there. There are plenty of very earnest articles called things like "dealing with symptoms of the menopause". But "symptoms" is problematic – menopause is not an illness, and talking about it in such terms only adds to the sense that it is something "bad" and "problematic", rather than an inevitable part of life for half the population.

Saying that, if you are struggling with changes in your mood, energy, sleep, pelvic floor, skin, weight, muscles, sex life, bones, heart, bladder, memory, hair, gut and vagina then it sure can feel like an illness. Some women sail through with barely a blip, others can suffer - and I mean suffer in the Biblical sense - for years. For women who have a sudden menopause, either because of surgery like Jolie, radiotherapy or chemotherapy, the symptoms can be particularly brutal. This is why it's so important that we don't suffer in silence, shrouded in embarrassment.

And it's not easy, when even Madonna is subjected to menopause-based jokes in the workplace (in her case, The Brits): "I'm so excited about Madonna. I snuck into her dressing room back stage earlier and there's a lot of drugs back there. But don't worry it's all HRT stuff", tweeted the ever-hilarious Jimmy Carr. Because women in their fifties, who have made an informed choice to take HRT to protect their health, are hilarious. I suspect Madonna didn't fall off that stage, but, instead, exuberantly threw herself off to flaunt her non-brittle-bones. Well, if you've got it...

Joking aside, many women keep quiet about symptoms that interfere with their job for fear that it might affect their prospects or professionalism. But with 63% of women aged 50-64 in the workplace, the menopause is an occupational health issue which we cannot afford to ignore.

Of course, help is available via a GP or menopause clinic. "What's a menopause clinic?" I hear you ask. It's unusual, that's what. There are only 29 in the UK, and inevitably, these clinics are serving just a fraction of the women who would benefit from knowledgeable, specialist help. The cynic in me suspects that if it were men who experienced the menopause there'd be at least 30 clinics.

The NHS's #changethechange campaign – the aim of which is to "put the menopause on your agenda" – is a good start, but we should all follow Angelina's advice, too: "seek advice, learn about the options and make choices that are right for you. Knowledge is power." So, here are some links for your knowledge. Bring on the power.

All the facts you need to know can be found on Health Talk. Well, not where you left the car keys, but everything else. And Menopause UK is another great evidence-based site.

Evidently Cochrane is the public face of the Cochrane Review, which is where NICE guidelines are born, and has some brilliant blogs on menopause.

And, if you feel like sharing your experiences, but the New York Times won't publish them (the rotters), then have a look at Menopause UK's 'voice for women' page, or, of course, share your experiences on the thread below.

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Shockers · 27/03/2015 19:49

I will try that Shazza. I feel that my children might grow to hate me unless I take action soon.

Although their hormones are just as flippin bad!

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Cooroo · 29/03/2015 10:19

Can I ask stupid question? I've stopped menstruating for 3 years or so, am 55. Get hot flushes in the night - chuck off duvet, cool down, back to sleep (with luck). So no real problem. However I am way more anxious than I used to be. I hadn't really linked that with hormones. Is anxiety a menopause thing? Had never considered HRT, should I? Would I even be prescribed it for anxiety - it's not ruining my life but I do wish I could relax and enjoy life again.

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Suzannewithaplan · 29/03/2015 11:04

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Completely agree, menopause is a hugely difficult and significant time for so many of us.
It needs to be taken seriously!
I find the grandmother hypothesis quite interesting and also wonder to what extent symptoms are an inherent part of declining estrogen levels as opposed to being linked with other health issues...the stress of just having too much to cope with etc?

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gussiegrips · 29/03/2015 18:47

cooroo certainly is for some women. One of these symptoms which is common, but, under our radar.

Yes, HRT can be effective, as can other treatments or management strategies. See your GP for a chat about it - don't put up with it.

Here's the Menopause UK page, lots of info and evidence based advice: menopause and mood

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Suzannewithaplan · 29/03/2015 20:54

thats an interesting link Gussie
I wonder if in part the problem is that menopause comes at a time when women are under stress from various aspects of their lives and everything just ratchets up when shifting hormone levels make us less able to cope.

I dont really buy the idea that nature has 'designed' us to wither and die post menopause, yes average life expectancy was lower pre modern times but thats because the average was skewed by high infant mortality.

Also humans and some whales are the only species who have a post reproductive period, all other mammals die whilst still still able to reproduce, this suggests some that a humans have post reproductive females because they confer some sort of survival advantage.

I'm not arguing against HRT, it is puzzling and infuriating that we have to put up with all this grief that goes along with menopause, why cant it just be a smooth transitionConfused

then again I suppose you could say the same about puberty?

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Strongerthanyoucounton · 29/03/2015 21:43

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L15rxo · 30/03/2015 22:06

Does anyone use or know about this purple pebble i have been reading about that is available from boots ! Is it any good ? Does it really work ?

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Suzannewithaplan · 30/03/2015 22:20

how can it workConfused

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L15rxo · 30/03/2015 22:28

I have read you place inside your knickers just under naval. It comes in 2 pieces so magnets stick together & its supposed to ease all symptoms. Good reviews on boots website

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Suzannewithaplan · 30/03/2015 22:30

Sounds like it works by accessing the placebo effect

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L15rxo · 30/03/2015 22:51

No idea. Just thought i wld c if anyone had any feedback on it as i am 41 & on hrt for last 8 months. Really not happy with results !

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Shazza011095 · 01/04/2015 18:02

L15rxo I have been using the pebble this year - see my post - I still have the odd hot flush but no anxiety and my fb has said that I seem a lot happier and don't have mood swings. It seems to be helping me. I also take vitamins too.

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ShotgunNotDoingThePans · 01/04/2015 23:39

Just wanted to say I get relief from flushes by taking sage tablets - took a week or so to kick in, but it's really helped me a lot. Vogel's.

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Cherylene · 11/01/2017 15:09

I'm surprised that Ms Jolie can take HRT. Oophorectomy for reasons of breast cancer control is normally undertaken because the cancer is of a type which feeds off oestrogen. HRT is an oestrogen replacement drug so is not safe to be taken by women with or at risk of hormone-caused breast cancer.

Oestrogen does not cause breast cancer. All the evidence points in the direction that some oestrogen-receptive breast cancers grow in the presence of oestrogen, but it is not the oestrogen that causes the cancer. The higher incidence in women taking hrt is due to existing changes becoming apparent and this reduces to the general rate when hrt is stopped.

People who have had hysterectomy and use oestrogen only hrt are less likely to get breast cancer. This was something that came up in the Millenium and million women studies that was drowned out by the early findings that breast cancer increased (now much modified after further investigation.)

The combination of oestrogen and progestogen is thought to have an effect and the type of progestogens used are being looked at.

If Anglena Jolie has had all her breast tissue removed, there will be no cancer to help along its way. The reason for removing ovaries is that for some versions of the genes she is has, there is also a greater incidence of ovarian cancer.

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