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MumsnetGuestPosts · 28/11/2014 18:07

What a lot of un-learning women have had to do. Against the odds of social conditioning, we are, thank God, now clear that becoming a ballerina or a princess are not our only career options, that the 'perfect' women in magazines are actually just a clever re-adjustment of pixels, and that if anyone rapes us, it’s not our fault, nor is it the fault of our blouse or red wine.

We’ve been doing alright at resisting what we’re told about how we should look and behave in recent years. But, before we get ahead of ourselves and start thinking that things might be improving, let me introduce you to biotech startup dudes Austen Heinz and Gilad Gome, who last week announced that they were creating a probiotic supplement that will make our vaginas smell like peaches. As well as being a nugget of jaw-on-the-floor misogyny, it showed a startling lack of gratitude by two men who appear to have forgotten that they did, in fact, come out of a vagina once.

They said they were offering 'personal empowerment' to women, which was nice. Being biotech chaps, they continued: “All your smells are not human. They’re produced by the creatures that live on you. We think it’s a fundamental human right to not only know your code and the code of the things that live on you but also to rewrite that code and personalize it.”

If this sounds like plain old sexism dressed up in techno jargon gobbledygook, then that’s probably because it is. CEO of the company Audrey Hutchinson, who says she's an 'ultra-feminist', has now understandably backtracked a bit, stating that they never intended to focus on the odour of your bits: the peach smell is apparently just a sign that the supplement is doing its job of protecting you from thrush and UTIs. Imagine that in a clinch: "Ooh, I like your perfume, very peachy." "Oh, no, it’s just that I’ve got thrush and my probiotic supplement is successfully fighting the infection."

Regardless of the true purpose of the supplement, the fact is that when the company originally claimed that their main intention was to alter the smell of our ladybits under the guise of biotechnology, no one doubted their veracity. The fact that Heinz and Gome garnered such attention goes to show that even the most private parts of a woman's body are still held to be public property.

A probiotic peach-smelling vagina might sound harmless enough – albeit fairly ridiculous – but this isn’t just about making your genitals smell like a fruit bowl. It’s another disturbing iteration of the idea that men should have a say in what women do with their bodies. The idea that a woman’s vagina needs to smell like a piece of fruit tells her that she will not be sufficiently desirable until she is dehumanised, cleansed of her perfectly natural biological functions. It suggests that female sexuality is something to ashamed of, and even unhygienic.

Newsflash, tech bros: we’ve lived without this invention for thousands of years, and, touch wood, the human race hasn’t died out as yet. Men have thus far been able to get to the crucial point of conception - despite having to contend with the rotten smell of our fetid vaginas, and I don’t think that’s because they’ve all been wearing pegs on their noses.

Jeez, even satirist Jonathan Swift knew that the idea that women are fragrant, heavenly angels was a disaster for all concerned. In his poem The Lady’s Dressing Room, he mocked his character Strephon for being horrified by his discovery that women do, in fact, go for a poo every now and again. And that was in 1732.

It’s a tiring job, remaining constantly alert to the pervasive, constant undertow of judgments about how women should look, behave, sound and smell – but they keep coming. Subtle as they may seem, if they work their way into a woman’s consciousness, they do the job that was intended for them: they revise her idea of what is normal, and tell her something is wrong with her when it’s not. They deplete her energy by distracting her into fretting about whether everyone around her thinks she’s disgusting. We’re getting wise to these games, but that doesn’t make them any less tiresome.

We never asked for these men’s opinions on the pH levels of our naughty bits. Just like we weren’t interested when they insisted that cat-calling is a compliment, or that Page 3 is harmless, or that rape jokes are banter.

Men don’t get to tell us how we should feel about our own bodies. Please leave our vaginas alone – period. On which note, if you’ve got a problem with periods too, get back to me when I’m peri-menopausal. Hopefully in the intervening years I’ll have written a probiotic code which means that, whenever any man says anything misogynist, all that comes out of his mouth is Beyoncé lyrics.

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ChrissieLatham · 01/12/2014 20:24

I wouldn't mind having a peach scented vagina and that would be my choice, nothing to do with a man!

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LegoCaltrops · 01/12/2014 19:56

Reported. Suspect an autobot...

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 01/12/2014 19:53

Ooh, let me get a pen...

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BuffytheFestiveFeminist · 01/12/2014 19:43

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chelseabuns2013 · 01/12/2014 17:02

Surly one that tastes of Stella Artois would be the perfect choice. ;)

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SayItOutLoud · 01/12/2014 16:17

I think Sarah Silverman is saying it all in this clip:


(maybe where they got the idea)
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Chot · 01/12/2014 13:49

From a different perspective, if it were proven to actually help prevent thrush (and was safe), I'd have taken it! We take probiotic supplements for stomach and digestion issues and I took supplements such as evening primrose oil, starflower oil and cranberry pills for years to help with that kind of thing.... Not everyone is blessed with trouble-free bits and pieces and, although mostly fully better now, before having children I was genuinely plagued by recurrent thrush and cystitis and all the Dr could do was prescribe antibiotics for the cystitis which made the thrush worse and anti-fungal pessaries for the thrush.... Neither of which can be considered as healthy for you and both of which bring their own complications.... So if a product out there can genuinely help women who's lives can really be blighted by thrush, then it should be welcomed by women for that reason and we should ignore the crap that's been thrown in with it. I don't have a problem with it changing the smell of my bits, as long as it was quite a pleasant smell - I wear deodorants and perfumes every day, use toothpaste and mouthwash, use scented soaps and moisturisers.... Smelling of flowers, etc makes me feel good - not about myself, just in general. Can't say there's much of me (or most women? Or most men?) that does smell 100% natural... but that doesn't bother me so I don't get why it bothers anyone else if I choose to scent myself, in the same way it doesn't bother me if people don't - it's personal choice, surely? P.s. Nowadays, now I can do so without it causing issues, I also use scented pads and liners - don't think I'd go down the scented tampon route though!!!!!

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Ohhelpohnoitsa · 30/11/2014 19:23

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/11/2014 15:40

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Homeriliad · 30/11/2014 15:29

@ Buffy. That these men decided to go 'off message' may make them unprofessional, but sexist? For talking about vaginas whilst discussing a vaginal product?

I'm also skeptical about the idea that vaginas smelling bad is a widespread view among men. Most men love the smell of a natural vagina, nature is pretty good at that pheremone stuff.

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Homeriliad · 30/11/2014 15:15

@ Lurcio. You think I'm a goady fucker just because I have a different opinion to yourself?

It's not true that there is a product designed to make vaginas smell like peaches. Yes, 2 men said the product could also be used for that purpose, but many things can be used for things not originally intended. Why is this different than using mouthwash/showergel/perfume to mask the bodies natural odours?

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/11/2014 12:52

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SevenZarkSeven · 30/11/2014 12:35

Looking at the earlier posts.

It's not lies Hmm and it is a good story.

Why would two men decide to launch something that did not belong to them, in a way that totally misrepresented it, and offer the (not very new) idea that vaginas smell bad and need fixing.

I think the whole thing is an extremely interesting story.

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SevenZarkSeven · 30/11/2014 12:33

Well quite it was launched without the owner's knowledge by 2 men who said that they had "previewed plans for a new probiotic supplement that will enable women to change the way their vaginas smell" and then went on to talk about how it would enable women to "connect to themselves in a better way".

The woman whose company it is was utterly horrified by their gross misrepresentation of her product.

The men who focussed on how it would be empowering for women to have cunts smelling of peaches also said they'd like to change the smell of faeces, which says quite a lot about what they think of vaginas doesn't it.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/11/2014 12:32

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SacreBlue · 30/11/2014 12:27

Well quite. It appears not to have been designed for purely cosmetic purposes (smell) but for health purposes (to prevent infections) which is what the initial story was about.

Whether it has merit as something to promote health is an entirely different story, worth investigation, as to whether it has merit as a cosmetic.

The additional story is how the two men have taken it upon themselves to promote something, that was not their product, in a way that has promoted the idea that women's bodies should conform to a certain unrealistic made up ideal.

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SevenZarkSeven · 30/11/2014 12:24

Read the huffington post link I put up earlier.

It's really interesting.

It seems that a woman "invented" something to help women with thrush etc

Then two men, one of whom had a small stake in the company, and another who had no stake in it at all, decided to launch the product and focus on the fact women could all have peachy cunts and this would be terribly impowerfulising for them.

Incidentally I think that products like this might be less jaw-dropping in the states where - if I understand correctly - there is a thing called douching that people actually do. So the concept of "your vagina is a stinky icky thing and needs fixing" is already in the psyche over there IYSWIM. Any americans reading feel free to correct me!

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/11/2014 12:11

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LurcioAgain · 30/11/2014 11:48

Guardian article

The whole thing comes across to me as a cynical piece of spin. They've thrown in the words "sequencing and synthesisising" (yup, right, let's get the marketing people to randomly throw in a couple of sciency-sounding words to make it sound impressive, Heinz) but it sounds more like a yoghurt (probiotic, anyone?) with a bit of random other stuff thrown in to be shoved up women's fannies.

The woman who 'created' it is 20, according to this article. One thing you certainly don't have at 20 (barring a few infant prodigies, who I'm sure have better things to do with their brains) is a PhD in biochemistry, or a medical degree. So I'm not sure what the word "inventor" means in this context. Someone who came up with the concept in the first place?

I'm certainly not buying this pseudo-science crap about 'A sample of the “vaginal biocrome” (the makeup and ecology of microorganisms in the vagina) will be sent for analysis. Sweet Peach will then supply a course of supplements designed to balance the pH levels of the vagina, allowing “good” microbes to thrive, therefore reducing the risk of yeast infections and UTIs with the aim of optimal vaginal health.'

Whether it was Gome, Heinz (the two men) or Hutchinson (the woman), from the coverage I've seen the whole kerfuffle is about as scientific as my arse, and is a cynical piece of marketing aimed at trying to persuade women (yet again) that their bodies aren't good enough. Newsflash - women can peddle misogynist snake oil too, and that's precisely what this is, misogynist snake oil. The name of the company - sweet peach - stinks, and the product stinks too. The vast majority of us have perfectly okay vaginas, thanks very much. If you have a genuine medical problem (and, hey, women are bright enough to be able to tell when this is the case), see a real doctor.

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Blessedandgrateful · 30/11/2014 11:09

Post when you've got the full facts OP!
The point of the product which actually was created by a woman was not created with the intent of making vaginas smell like peaches .
It's no wonder some feminists get bad press .

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Blessedandgrateful · 30/11/2014 11:06

O god.
You have totally missed the point.
The woman who invented it did not want to create vaginas smelling of peaches.

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SacreBlue · 30/11/2014 11:04

It's not true.

National newspapers and their journalists don't always have all the facts, all of the time.

And often don't issue corrections if their hot story turns out to be hot for a different reason but might make them look like dicks for not fact-checking first in the race to publish

But no need to let facts get in the way of a good story.

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