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Fasting / 5:2 diet

5:2 Diet Thread! Number 8, fast away fast away fast away all!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 14/12/2012 15:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. Wink You'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one etc!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is where I would link to the aforementioned Horizon programme, but it appears as if the BBC have finally noticed it on YouTube and have taken it down. Here is a link to the programme's page on iPlayer, which features a couple of clips, and might have updates eventually. Let us know if you find another site hosting it.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We mentioned BMR and TDEE often. Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day. (This is a new calculator to previous threads, this one seems to give me approximately the same results the last one did, but without the virus warnings on my browser!)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BecBro4 · 18/12/2012 11:33

thank you everyone for your input :) I have put away the scales until January, my self worth was becoming affected by my plateau. Looking forward to Christmas and the New year. Good luck everyone :)

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virginposter · 18/12/2012 11:35

So, for all those worried about weight gain over the festive period, here's what happened to me. My daughter came for 3 days to have a 'mini' christmas with us but there was certainly nothing 'mini' about it as she bought 2 boxes of chocs and she made a delicious Christmas cake too.

We ate and drank for 3 days with no real restraint (we did all feel at the end of each day that we were a bit too full but I did try to limit this) and this morning she departed leaving all the left overs here.

Today for me is a FAST day so this morning I reluctantly stepped onto the scales to assess the damage and lo only 1lb gain. Now I'm sure by doing my 4:3 this week it will disappear just in time for real Christmas day! But by having that trial run I will be much more aware of what I consume and hopefully by the end of all this I will have maintained. Then back to 4:3 until my 7lb off goal, then down to 5:2 for maintenance.

Oh by the way, I told my daughter about this WOE back in August and she was a little concerned but was ok about it. When she arrived she looked lovely and slim and her 'saddlebags' which had been the bane of her life forever were gone. She told me she had been doing this WOE since I told her but she has only been doing 6:1 as she was already an ideal weight. She has lost a couple of kg but has noticed, like many of us, the loss from waist, stomach and those pesky saddlebags. Yay another success.

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Laska42 · 18/12/2012 12:00

Oooo ....10st 0.5 this morning.... thats another 1.5 down.. Could be baby excitement though ,or maybe gin and chili doritos is the Way to go !! Xmas Grin

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Breadandwine · 18/12/2012 12:19

"Band W: when people have a problem with gluten, perhaps sensitivity rather than the full blown allergy type, do you know whether they have the same problems with seitan or is the trouble only when gluten is attached to the rest of the grain as in flour?"

BCL That answer from literarygeek was better than any I could have given - however, it didn't exactly answer your question. As she said,

"...others just feel bloated and a bit yuck after eating bread but sometimes this is more due to the processing method."

So, if it is commercially processed bread that causes the problem, then seitan made with wheat may well be OK. All I can suggest is that you proceed with caution.

That's a great link, lg - and I shall put it on the GF post on my blog, thanks for that.

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/12/2012 12:45

frenchfancy
Beans on toast is a splendid dinner : one thin slice of toast just right, 1/2 "whole earth" baked beans (dearer but worth it) one egg, scrambled on the side, half a slice of good ham torn up and stirred into the eggs, fresh ground pepper on top!

Welcome lurkers.
So good to know that this WOE is being picked up by new people.

I've lost the pound I put back on last week so now just have to aim for steady till the start of next term.

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 18/12/2012 14:05

Have weighed in (mid-TOTM, brave of me!) and have stayed the same, which I'm happy with. I've had a very festive week of dinners out and nights of wine, several desserts, and the discovery that I can make homemade Bailey's better than anything out of a bottle Xmas Shock. In fact, that was the peak of my parties etc for this season, I have a night out with friends tonight and I think that's it, unless something impromptu pops up.

Time to bake a bit!

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AmericasTorturedBrow · 18/12/2012 14:52

Welcome to newbies - re exercise I do it all very sporadically depending on the whole how badly DD has slept the previous night.

Fasted yesterday and though knackered (as per) dragged myself off to power yoga at 8:30pm - the teacher worked us HARD for an hour and a half, I was sweating like nothing else but managed to really push myself despite fasting all day. Felt so energized after and although starving went straight to bed. Found the night much easier to cope with, which I reckon is combination of fasting and exercise.

So, before we fly home on 22nd and the gluttony begins (mum has refused to plot in fasts, despite the fact she does 5:2), I'm going to fast and power yoga tomorrow and Friday.

Mulled wine tonight though, yay!

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Asinine · 18/12/2012 15:50

Delurking to say I love americas nn.

Question

So if I eat at 6pm, and have no breakfast then walk the dog and eat say eggs at 10, I've done a 16 hour fast? Do you do that everyday, or just the fast day? My BMI is about 19, so not really in it to lose weight, but very interested in the anti cancer/health angle.

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TheCyclistist · 18/12/2012 16:32

Welcome Asinine, the answer to your question is.....nobody knows for sure. But some of the evidence seems to point to 16 hours as a minimum being the point when your body starts to get the health benefits. For me aiming to eat within a 8 hour window ( therefor leaving a 16 hour period without food) and the effect it has on cells, the liver and insulin production seems like a good idea.... along side ADF, and who knows possibly Also on it's own

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/12/2012 17:02

Asinine I eat around 7, sleep, mornings at the gym and have lunch .... so 5 days a week do a partial fast. Logically, it would seem that you are doing the right thing - we'll all know when the research comes out in a few years!

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Asinine · 18/12/2012 17:37

Thanks, I need to read the links and intro to the thread properly, too.

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Skinnyeye · 18/12/2012 19:05

Finally caught up you guys talk a lot Grin heading out for Christmas drinks. Have eaten before I go so I won't have food out this time. See you losers tomorrow

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Souper · 18/12/2012 19:57

Hi everyone and well done on all the amazing weight loss. I had a good weigh-in this morning, at 73.3kg - down from 85kg in August.

Onward!

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Laska42 · 18/12/2012 20:12

Just for a short time only ..a couple of photos of the most beautiful grandchild in the word ever , and his 5:2 -er, 10st.0.5 nan!

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Laska42 · 18/12/2012 20:14

skinnyeye we talk so we cant eat!! Xmas Grin

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Souper · 18/12/2012 20:22

laska congratulations! He is gorgeous and so are you! You look amazing and so so slim!

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Jossysgiants · 18/12/2012 20:32

Hi, I have just started on week 3 now and lost about 5-6 pounds so am thrilled. I went to get my nails done this evening and my friend who does them said they were looking a lot stronger than last time which was just before I started on this. Has anyone else seen an improvement in nails/ hair/ skin? It seems counter intuitive but who knows! laksa congratulations!

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/12/2012 20:34

Laska You are doing amazingly - look at the old picture you had up the other day, and the one with your grandson - neck and jaw definition. Fandabeedozee.

Souper
Wow, that is quite something. Makes my 6kg look measly!

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Breadandwine · 18/12/2012 20:38

Here are some thoughts about fasting and weight loss that are of interest - especially the bit about the harmful effects of fizzy drinks:

www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Fasting-for-slimming-Are-there-any-dangers/11375-theories-of-obesity-is-fasting-always-the-answer

Couple of useful links on the thread as well.

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Bordercollielover · 18/12/2012 20:44

Thankyou lg. and BandW for the gluten answers and also to others for the scales info, there are too many posts already to find who it was!

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Laska42 · 18/12/2012 20:59

wow Souper thats an amazing loss (took me a while to work it out) .. How i wish id found 5:2 when I started dieting 6 years ago when I was 13st 10 (87kg) its taken me this long to get to here ! But has been 5:2 that has made the final difference

I think when Dr Ms book comes out in Jan its going to cause a massive turmoil in the dieting industry .

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AmericasTorturedBrow · 18/12/2012 21:30

aw Laska he's gorgeous...and so are you!

Welcome Asinine and thankyou

well done souper, that's great news!

I'll have to wait til Sunday to WI as I don't have any scales and my gym is closed, hoping to not gorge on disgusting airplane food so will weigh in as soon as I arrive at Mum's....but I only started weighing myself after about a month on 5:2. I have however gone from a size 14 to a size 10, which is nice...

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catsrus · 18/12/2012 22:27

Congratulations laska - he's totally gorgeous Xmas Smile

Welcome to all newbies - this is definitely a WOE for life - non fast day today and I indulged in a lovely meal with friends, finishing with christmas cake (my first of the year, but not the last Xmas Grin)

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Aftereightsaremine · 18/12/2012 22:58

laska he is gorgeous! & you look pretty fab too.

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Whoknowswhocares · 18/12/2012 23:12

Congrats Laska. He is beautiful

I've finished my first ever fast day! Happily I found it fairly easy and am now off to bed. Hungry now but hey, it's breakfast soon enough

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