Leavers aghast at getting arch Leaver as PM....

[Miljah]

Anyone else got Leaver 'friends', family or work colleagues who are stunned and horrified at getting Bojo The Clown as PM?

I want to slap them.

Instead, I cannot help myself, but I say things along the lines of 'Well, I guess it's a good thing getting a hard Brexit PM, at least now you know you're getting Brexit, come what may...' to which they say 'It didn't say anything about a no deal Brexit at the referendum'...

Well, my voting slip didn't say anything at all about what Leave would look like, too, which is why I didn't project what sort of Leave I, personally imagined; which is one reason why I voted Remain. Apart from all the other good reasons for staying on the inside of a hugely successful trading block.

My DB is a classic, flippy-floppy Brexiter.

Voted Leave. And, as above, told me what his version of Leave would look like. We'd have this, but not that, and so forth. Then, at the GE designed to seal TM's mandate, not only voted Labour but joined the Labour Party . Then, at the EP elections, voted LD- and is horrified about BJ.

FFS, the analytical ability of tarmac.

What did Leavers expect?

[Clavinova]

That must be one of your more stupid posts, among many.
I disagree.

People in a wealthy country, especially those in work, should not need food banks.Their wages should be enough to feed them.
I agree.

[Peregrina]

That's because people know that food banks exist

That must be one of your more stupid posts, among many. People in a wealthy country, especially those in work, should not need food banks. Their wages should be enough to feed them.

[Clavinova]

EU Commission
FRANCE
FEAD budget allocation: € 499.3 million + National contribution: € 88.1 million. How the funds are being spent: providing food aid to those most in need.This is complemented by accompanying measures such as guidance and support to help them get out of poverty.

"23 May 2019 Elior, the leader in contract catering in France, has forged a partnership with the French Federation of Food Banks to redistribute its surplus food produce to associations in a bid to reduce food waste."

"By teaming up with the FFBA, Elior will now be able to redistribute the surplus food stuffs from its 9,700 restaurants and central kitchens in France to associations providing support to people in need."

www.eliorgroup.com/press/press-releases/elior-france-teams-french-federation-food-banks-fight-against-food-waste

[Clavinova]

Mistigri
I didn't notice your post before;

Feb 2016 "France has become the first country in the world to ban supermarkets from throwing away or destroying unsold food, forcing them instead to donate it to charities and food banks."

"The law follows a grassroots campaign in France by shoppers, anti-poverty campaigners and those opposed to food waste" ...

"Jacques Bailet, head of Banques Alimentaires, a network of French food banks, described the law as “positive and very important symbolically.”He said it would greatly increase an already emerging trend for supermarkets to donate to food banks."

“Most importantly, because supermarkets will be obliged to sign a donation deal with charities, we’ll be able to increase the quality and diversity of food we get and distribute,” he said.“In terms of nutritional balance, we currently have a deficit of meat and a lack of fruit and vegetables.This will hopefully allow us to push for those products.”

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/04/french-law-forbids-food-waste-by-supermarkets

[Clavinova]

The Times March 2019;

"Philip Hammond has ample room to end austerity this year after banking £30 billion in lower borrowing forecasts in his spring statement, leading think tanks have said."

"Both the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Resolution Foundation claimed the country has turned a corner.“Improved public finances mean the debate will shift from cuts versus investment to how much more we should spend,” Torsten Bell, director of the Resolution Foundation, said yesterday."

On the other hand:
Labour’s Higher Education proposals will cost £8bn per year;
www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9217

The UK handed out a record number of food parcels last year.

That's because people know that food banks exist - France wants to increase food bank use, not decrease it, they have applied for extra funds from the EU to roll this policy out. We had a UK food bank user on the Mumsnet forum recently - she only received vouchers for a 'decent' food parcel a few times a year - it's not the safety net it's made out to be in the UK. Indeed, many food bank users only ask for a food parcel once or twice a year - it's not every week for the majority. What's more important is providing a safety net for the rest of the year - although one of the problems according to various charities, is that Universal Credit is paid monthly, not weekly, which makes it difficult for people on low incomes to budget.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

Why are leavers obsessed with what other countries are doing? Distraction technique. The UK handed out a recorded number of food parcels last year. Get your own house in order before you point fingers elsewhere. The UK is going backwards fast.

[Mistigri]

If Boris was wearing a red rosette instead of a blue one, would we not be talking about the magic money tree? He can't slash taxes and ramp up spending with exploding the deficit.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

Because the country was suffering the long term effects of the 2008 global financial crisis, Labour's overspending in government and the EU's austerity policy - now we are not.

Austerity was ideological choice from a party that detests public services and loves the small state. Johnson is pandering to populism but why question a man behind the infamous garden bridge and red bus when he offers easy, intellect free solutions. Its they same blueprint as Brexit.

[Mistigri]

supermarkets in France are threatened with hefty fines if they are found to have dumped unsold food instead of donating it to food bank charities.

In fact food has to be sold or donated, and there are apps individuals can use to buy it. I doubt most ends up at food banks, because they tend to want storable food, rather than squishy veg and yesterday's croissants.

I am not at all sure about the (unsourced, as usual) claim that France has more food banks than the U.K.. In fact I don't think there are any dedicated food bank organisations; food distribution occurs via existing charities like the Red Cross.

[Clavinova]

Peregrina
The new spending initiatives were only announced a few days ago. I doubt that food banks will disappear - France and Germany have more food bank users than we do - supermarkets in France are threatened with hefty fines if they are found to have dumped unsold food instead of donating it to food bank charities.

[Peregrina]

Yes, Clavinova - tell that to the people who are using food banks. Better still find something to cut and paste which shows that food banks have disappeared.

[Clavinova]

Why burn the house down to rebuild it again at great tax payer expense?

Because the country was suffering the long term effects of the 2008 global financial crisis, Labour's overspending in government and the EU's austerity policy - now we are not.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

You obviously weren't listening to Boris Johnson's pledges on police, hospitals and schools last week...

Why should I trust a man who stood in front of the infamous red bus? The Tories have cut public services to the bone over the last 10 years. Why burn the house down to rebuild it again at great tax payer expense? Especially when they've been banging on about no magic money trees.

[Peregrina]

You obviously weren't listening to Boris Johnson's pledges on police, hospitals and schools last week...

Words are cheap, especially with people like Boris Johnson. When the money is committed and the recruitment drives are completed we will see how many of his promises come true. I am not holding my breath.

[Clavinova]

GhostofFrankGrimes

You obviously weren't listening to Boris Johnson's pledges on police, hospitals and schools last week...

And you are kidding yourself if you think that Jeremy Corbyn will win a general election for Labour.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

The incredibly wealthy have threatened to 'swan off' if Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM as well.

I'm afraid that the Tory cliche that they are economically competent has been shot to pieces over the last 3 years culminating in, I believe, "fuck business".

It'll take more than "reds under the beds" fearmongering to continue justifying economic policies that are dismantling public services and communities before we reach the perceived benefits of Brexit in 50 years time.

[Clavinova]

But they all swan off to live lives of incredible wealth

The incredibly wealthy have threatened to 'swan off' if Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM as well.

[CustardDonuts]

Nope the people and family I know are happy to have a Leaver as PM.

[Tullow2016]

But they all swan off to live lives of incredible wealth, with their gilt edges pensions and all the other financial rewards that come with having been PM

That LibDem guy Sir Clegg seems to fit that description.

[Peregrina]

Most of them were already wealthy, although in Tatcher and May's cases via their husbands, but the damage to their reputation is what will hurt them most.

Some one like Cameron who wanted to be PM because he thought he'd be good at it!

[IWannaSeeHowItEnds]

But they all swan off to live lives of incredible wealth, with their gilt edges pensions and all the other financial rewards that come with having been PM. If only we could all enjoy that kind of failure...

[Peregrina]

If a week is a long time in politics, three years is an eternity.

But do remember the other saying 'All political careers end in failure'.

• but Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and soon I hope, Johnson, will provide the proof of the pudding.

[Songsofexperience]

The BXP represents the % of hard leavers that have always been there. Roughly 30% of voters. It's pretty consistent through the decades: UKIP won 26% at the 2014 MEP elections and there's always been a eurosceptic hard core within tge conservatives. That gives you tge other 5-6% of batshit.
So in fact today is nothing new. What's new is how unrepresentative our new government is.

[Mistigri]

If you don’t believe polls where does that statement come from?

Individual polls won't tell you much. The trend is more interesting (and it's down).

Still early days, but my opinion is that there is a hard ceiling and they've already hit it.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

Their support is already falling. It's UKIP #2

If you don’t believe polls where does that statement come from?

A Tory pact with farage

If Johnson is clever he will not announce any pact with Farage before a GE to avoid remain conservative voters from voting elsewhere. Brexit party will rely on fact that 406 constituencies voted leave in 2016 and at present there is no evidence of a big swing from leave to remain.

If no party has an overall majority then coalitions can be talked about as voters have already voted and Johnson will not have lost remain conservative votes to others.

Remember it is not % that wins GE it is seats. 1997 was a good example. Labour won 418 seats, but with only 43% of the vote.