Abingdon v Radley

[1805]

can anyone give me reasons to favour one school over the other? The choice would be Ab day v Radley boarding (obviously). I'm going to look round them both shortly to try to get a general feeling.
Also if you can suggest any areas/issues I need to question at either school??

DS is sporty, musical, and academic. Happy to go to either school. Knows boys going to both schools.

Thank you.

Please don't turn this thread into a private/state slanging match. I just want peoples views on these two schools. We won't be considering any others. Thank you.

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DS went on to chose Radley. Moule seems pretty good as far as we're concerned.

[Hucklebury]

John Moule, Warden at Radley College, seems to be incredibly unpopular with pupils and parents. Does anyone have a son (currently) at the school who can give me their honest opinion?

[happygardening]

OP when ever the subject of full boarding is bought up on MN there will always be those who will cheerfully tell you with tales of their dysfunctional sociopath husbands, brother in laws, bosses etc. i have worked with seriously dysfunctional children not a boarder amongst them there are plenty of things which cause children to be dysfunctional and indeed some may have been or in fact attend boarding schools but this is only part of the picture. It is generally home life drugs alcohol sexual emotional physical abuse neglect death of a parents chronic ill health in a family and most sadly exceedingly messy divorces that causes children to be dysfunctional.
Boarding has also changed although Radley have been slower to change than many.

[grovel]

Having said that, I would add that Radley is still sporty in an old-fashioned way. Most boys would be able to tell you the names of the First XI, First XV etc. At Eton the boys don't care unless they are trying for a team. You do what you do and care about your activity.

[grovel]

I think it's a bit daft to compare boarding (30+?) years ago with boarding today. My DH was at Radley in the 70's and was "only quite happy" (he can't honestly separate teenage angst from the boarding etc). Our DS was at Eton until recently. He would tell you he was really happy. DH and DS are very similar personalities. Boarding schools now are much nicer places.

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What did dh dislike about boarding?

[Justfeckingdoit]

My DH and BIL both went to Radley. One is is a elitist, patronising twunt who speaks with 17 plums in his mouth and one is totally normal

I have meet a 50/50 split from Radley, some are such unbelievable caricatures and some you would never know that they even went to public school.

My (normal) DH refuses to let any of the DC board at any school though.

Where you went to school only matters if you tell people, my DH never does.

Kind of depends if you want your DS to tell people I suppose.

[1805]

Ok I'm scared now. We are in constant touch with Radley, as is ds, so I think we just need to keep tabs on where he is.
Ds still really wants to go there.

[happygardening]

You need to find this out because otherwise you're taking IMO to much of a risk. Some schools do offer bursaries to non scholars. Scholarships are not just about how clever you are its about how hard your DS is prepared to work. When my DS was a prep there were always surprises mainly those who failed to get one who were extraordinarily talented.

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2 scholarships definitely, maybe 3 this year to Radley. I can't remember.
I would imagine Abingdon would want to see a scholarship from him too for a bursary?

[happygardening]

There is not a prep school out there even Summefield which has an extraordinary success with scholarships who will guarantee your DS or anyones DS for that matter will get a scholarship into an selective school like Radley. Many who are bright enough for the normal entrance into Win Coll St Pauls etc will look at scholarships into places like Radely often becasue there hoping for financial support. As bursaries become harder to get more will go down this road. Competition is fierce and you cannot guarantee the calibre of the applicants on the day. Also more and more able children are coming from abroad looking for scholarships/burarsies. I quickly looked at the Abbingdon prep website when did they last get a scholarship into Radley (lots too Abbingdon).

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It sounds ludicrous when it's put like that. Scouring through the Radley info we have, I've come to the conclusion ds does not need to be on the Wardens List, but apply for a scholarship in feb (ish) 2015. I'm hoping we can keep the two schools running side by side until 2015. The Radley offer is A LOT more affordable than Abingdon at the moment.

What I am trying to get my head around is whether we pursue the Radley thing in light of the boarding issue. I think we can. I need to talk to current HT and scholarship co-ordinator after Easter.

I know a scholarship is no easy deal, (11 1/2 hrs exams for Radley academic) but everyone keeps telling us he should be able to get at least one.

[happygardening]

So am I correct in thinking you would have to turn down a place at Abbingdon with a bursary unrelated to a scholarship and hope that your DS will get a scholarship and then a bursary at Radley in Feb (or around about there) 2014?

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he's currently y6. I'm thinking we register for both this summer, and go from there. At some point we will have to nominate a first choice school, and I'm presuming the second choice may well retract/not offer a bursary. If we go down the Warden's list route, then they state that they expect all Wardens List pupils to put radley as choice number one. So we may have to make a decision by the end of 2013.

[happygardening]

Will you have had to have turned down a place at Abbingdon before your DS sits the Radley scholarship?
How old is your DS?

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yep. No pressure then. As I said, we have been advised he is on course for 3 possible scholarship options.

[happygardening]

Am I correct on thinking your offer and bursary are dependent on a scholarship?

[1805]

Happy - well, it's mainly that it's an unknown lifestyle.
I want ds to understand what full boarding will be like with regard to personal space, free time, computer games, work load, etc.
I think he'll love it tbh. He likes structure and boundaries. He loves all sport, music, art, and likes to achieve good results in his work. From my point of view, he will only be a 20min drive away, so it won't feel like I've sent him to Scotland. I think I am enough of a 'slummy mummy' to be able to let go and let him get on with it! Less washing to do after all!!!

Really, this offer from Radley has just landed on the doormat, and now I have to consider it as a viable option. Radley did tell us verbally he did not have to apply to the wardens list, even though he's not registered, but I'm not sure about this. All this can be cleared up after Easter I know, but at the moment it appears he has a place as long as he wins a scholarship.

[happygardening]

Amber I suspect all the super selectives are managing out those who are not going to perform. Dont be under sny illusions the significantly less selective are doing the same thing. I know of one London day school importing Chinese children and putting them into the homes of other pupils to boost results and another pretty unselective boarding school importing very Russian children into their 6th form to boost results. While parents like Xenia continue to make a schools position in the league table a major influencing factor when choosing a school schools will do everything they can to boost their position.
OP what are you concerns about full boarding?

[difficultpickle]

If your prep offers boarding I would get your ds to try a night or too.

Committing to full boarding is a huge commitment for you and your ds. I would have hated to board. Ds does flexi boarding at his prep and will do weekly boarding (5 nights) from later this year. He loves it and has settled very well indeed. He has started talking about senior schools and has an expectation that he will do full boarding. We're registered for Radley but I'm not sure he will go there.

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Happy - rugby will be ok - he likes rugby, just not as much as football/hockey or cricket. At prep they throw them out in all weather too, so I'm not too concerned with the rugby ethos. I'm worrying about the Wardens List now. I'd forgotten about that. It opens for nominations in June, so plenty of time to discuss with HT. I would like to be certain that boarding is the right option for ds before we make the final plunge into applications though. DS still very much up for Radley.

[happygardening]

If rugby is his least favourite sport don't touch Radley with a barge pole. Rugby haters get really miserable being made to stand on the rugby pitch 4-5 days a week come hell or high water/snow/wind/rain/frost. They've got 7 teams for each year and even their 7ths are scary.

[grovel]

I think the Warden's List is safe:

From the Radley website:

A small number of places (around 25) will be reserved for the Warden?s List. This is a method of entry for boys who are not offered a place from our waiting lists or who are too late to register at all.

Boys need to be nominated by their headmaster or headmistress two years prior to entry to Radley.

Places are allocated by the Warden after the formal interview and consideration of the Head?s report. Further details are available from the Registrar.

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If he's accepted onto the Wardens list.......It might actually all come to nothing still yet.