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Vaccination centres too far away.

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Thingsthatgo · 06/05/2021 20:07

I’m really sorry, because I am sure that this has been asked a billion times on here before. I’m 44, and I got my invitation to book my jab through the national vaccination service by text. All of the places are miles away in different cities and I do not drive.
Everyone is saying to wait, and that my GP will contact me, and I’ll get a closer appointment, but when I mentioned it to my GP they said that they would not be contacting me.
Also, not sure it’s relevant, but the booking service seems to think that I’ve missed an appointment or something. It keeps saying that I shall have to rebook rather than just book.
Anyone have any wise words for me?

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WombatChocolate · 07/05/2021 19:43

Mercy, please just check again. I don’t recall ever commenting on such a thread and suspect it’s someone with a similar username. Please do check before making such comments about me!

What do you suggest would be the best way to make it happen speedily, efficiently and to enable everyone to get the jab as soon as possible? This has been a system with huge thought out into it. The national system and GP service running in parallel and the take up rates have been reported as the best in the world. They aren’t perfect but take up is far higher than the USA and it’s because we have the national booking system. Lots of effort has gone into addressing hesitancy and rates have dropped substantially. It’s a big system and it won’t work perfectly for everyone, but it’s about the big picture and delivering 53m jabs x2 and won’t always be perfect.

What do you think would be practical and better?

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MercyBooth · 07/05/2021 19:45

THEY HAD 37 BILLION FOR A USELESS TRACK AND TRACE which is why bullshit excuses dont wash. a lot of people arent able to travel because they arent well enough. I thought this was all about protecting the vulnerable. Or is it what ive said before .............only using the vulnerable as a tool to emotionally blackmail others. Because its funny how the vulnerable get trotted out as a reason to persuade others to obey rules when it suits but when anything practical or putting money where their mouth is to enable the disabled and vulnerable to get jabbed closer to home its yeah but no but yeah but no we cant Utter bullshit

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MercyBooth · 07/05/2021 19:46

I copied and pasted your username from here and then ASed

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WombatChocolate · 07/05/2021 19:49

Hmmm...so is this really a general anger at government or an anger about government and Covid....or about the specific issue of people travelling to get their jabs and where centres are located? It sounds to me like you’re cross about a range of things and aren’t really interested in talking about the issues of vaccine centre locations and what can work best for getting 53m jabs x2 delivered, or solutions to the obstacles which no doubt make it more tricky for some people.

Do you have any thoughts about what would work better when we have limited supply for the first doses?

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WombatChocolate · 07/05/2021 19:55

Oh Mercy, you know you’re really not supposed to do this and copy across other threads. If you look again, I think you might find that whatever you think I’ve said, isn’t actually the case. But anyway, please let’s not derail the discussion away from the issue of the location of vaccine centres.

I’m not attacking people who financially struggle to pay to travel to get their jabs. I’m really interested in the whole government process and behavioural process to rollout the jab and reduce hesitancy and help people access it. That’s the key thing isn’t it....acknwodkefing barriers and finding ways to reduce them. It’s why people at followers duo 7 or 8 times when they don’t take the jab. It’s why drop in centres run in areas of low take up and vaccine buses are used to go to areas where people might struggle to travel...all good I titiatives to help people access the jab. I think the government really is trying and actually the take up rates suggest their approach is working. It’s been a huge effort in lots of areas but it’s worth it.

I will ask again...what do you think would be a better way to do it so that more people can access the vaccine and also roll it out speedily and efficiently?

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CosmicComfort · 07/05/2021 20:04

There is a hub in Chichester as well, not sure if that is closer. We have taken a few patients to Chichester for their vaccine.

I guess you just have to keep trying. Does sound frustrating though.

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Thingsthatgo · 07/05/2021 20:09

My problem is this. I am self employed, so if I take two days off, I’m down two days pay. I cannot make up that time. My DH also takes two days off to drive me (he isn’t allowed to take half days or flexible time), that is two Days of his annual leave, which amounts to another two days that I cannot work because he uses his annual leave to look after our children so that I can work during school holidays. Therefore, for me to get jabbed I will lose out on four days pay. I can’t afford to do that, so I will have to wait.

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Thingsthatgo · 07/05/2021 20:11

@CosmicComfort thank you. Chichester came up today for my first, but not for a second. I’ll keep an eye out for that one.

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WombatChocolate · 07/05/2021 20:12

Thingsthatgo, that sounds tricky.

Can you find someone else to take you, such as a friend or a charity, so at least it’s just the loss of your working days and not your DH too? They do jab in Saturdays and Sundays too...does that help you?

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Thingsthatgo · 07/05/2021 20:18

@WombatChocolate Sundays would work if I can find one for both 1st and 2nd dose. I’ll go through the system and see if there are any available for both. THank you.

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PickAChew · 07/05/2021 20:26

The nearest dh could get was an hour's drive (would have been 2.5 hours on a bus) and then he got knocked back because he couldn't secure a second appointment. Thankfully, his gp contacted him a day after he first tried.

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WombatChocolate · 07/05/2021 20:41

I think lots of people are finding they can’t book on first try, especially if they try soon after it rolls out to a new age group, when demand is very high.

The supply for 1st jabs is currently never much mor than 120k per day at the moment. Lots of vaccine clinics don’t run every day due to limited supply and some run 1st jabs some days and 2nd others. Some only run once a week. So when people look, quite often the only appointments are some distance away and as you have to find 2 that work 12 weeks apart, it’s a bit more tricky. It takes lots of people several log-ins and go’s over a couple of days or longer to get booked. People don’t expect it because a couple of mo this ago when 500k jabs were given as 1st jabs per day there were more sites (including the local GP led ones) offering it and it was easier to book. When a new age group rolls out, the live system is updating constantly and you effectively have one appointment ‘in your basket’ but not actually yours until the 2nd is in there too and you ‘check out’ and often someone else has nabbed the 1st and ‘checked out’ faster than you while youre looking for the 2nd. It’s like buying stuff online in the first frenzied minutes of a popular online sale...by the time you go to pay, the stuff is no longer available.

It’s all a bit frustrating, but it’s hard to see how it can be very different at the moment with supply low, unless they slow rollout substantially. What happens, is those who are keen keep trying and book. As more appointments become available others book too. Some book once a letter arrives or a personal text to book. Others won’t book until someone rings the, several weeks later. Some need 4 calls. Some won’t get jabbed until a drop in centre that needs no booking is I their area or a vaccine bus. Some will need a personal call from the GP a couple of weeks even further on. But the point is, loads of efforts are made to scoop people up and make sure people aren’t left behind. It’s just it’s not possible for everyone to be done instantly when their age group rolls out, especially when supply is low, and the few local jabs that are available are used to ‘mop up’ those who haven’t got jabbed via the other means offered first. There just isnt enough o offer most the local jab at the moment. I’m very impressed though at how much follow-up there is and how it’s hard for people to slip through the net. Some clearly don’t want it and won’t take it however many calls are made, but certainly they need to say no or resist for a while. And the offer is what they call ‘evergreen’ - no-one is ever deemed to have missed the boat. Those who were ever eligible can still go far later if they decide they want it...the offer doesn’t expire, and that’s important too.

It’s this ensuring everyone gets it that seems so important for all of us and herd immunity. But I delivering this mammoth operation, it’s not always the most convenient for each individual. It’s a mammoth system and tailored for speed and efficiency and mass numbers and then scoop up of those the mass speedy system didn’t quite work for. If it wasn’t like this, it would be slower for all...maybe more convenient in terms of location, but most people would wait far longer.

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MollysMummy2010 · 07/05/2021 21:14

Don’t know if it helps at all or if available in your area but Uber are doing free trips to and from vaccination centres up to £15 each way. I got one a week ago.

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HalfJabbed · 07/05/2021 21:15

Are there vaccine centres nearer to you but they aren't coming up on the system? If so, it might be worth just contacting them directly. I didn't book my first jab via the national website - I just asked at my local pharmacy and they booked me in there and then to be jabbed right away. I have since been on the website and it has let me book a second jab through that so my first vaccination had obviously been recorded on the system.

It might depend on your area and take-up rates but I also see quite a few drop-in sessions offered, both at local vaccine centres and at venues where they just set up for one day (eg in community centres, at supermarkets etc) - Details get circulated on social media (and presumably from official sources too) so it's worth keeping an eye out for these rather than solely focusing on the main booking website.

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LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 07/05/2021 21:16

I had a 40 minute drive to my nearest centre yesterday and l thought of people that don't drive or might struggle with the cost of public transport. Awful.

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User6587324 · 07/05/2021 21:45

The people that plan these things though live in a different world, didn't Hancock say that 60 miles was reasonable distance for a covid test. I had to travel 20 miles to some Industrial estate for my jab, if I hadn't have had a car I wouldn't have bothered. Strange how a local jab is miles away but if you wanted to go for a walk 3 miles from your house it wasn't local.

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BluebellsGreenbells · 07/05/2021 23:22

Speak to your MP about a pop up center - they can do this if the take up matches the doses available

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BarbaraofSeville · 08/05/2021 05:51

If you phone up and explain the problem, might that be better chance of a local appointment than relying on what the online booking system is telling you?

Or it sounds like your DH could take you on a Sunday without anyone needing to be off work, so you could ask for Sunday appointments?

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LizziesTwin · 08/05/2021 06:06

The Chichester hub is about 10 minutes walk from the station.

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MRex · 08/05/2021 06:34

[quote Thingsthatgo]@CosmicComfort thank you. Chichester came up today for my first, but not for a second. I’ll keep an eye out for that one.[/quote]
If Chichester works for you then probably best to book that for you first dose and Brighton or anywhere else for your second dose. Once you've had the first, go online and look to move the appointment. It moves your time waiting for appointments into the period when you've already been jabbed.

There seem to be lots of new appointments opening up regularly in most areas; DH travelled a bit but could have had it nearer if he was willing to wait an extra week. CCGs in some areas offer pop-up sites, walk-ins, even buses going around to give jabs; if Chichester isn't reasonable and there are no reasonably accessible sites in your area then that's who to contact to find out if additional pop-ups will open, or to complain to about poor accessibility.
West Sussex CCG email:[email protected], weekday vaccine enquiry phone line: 0800 433 4545 (9-4PM Monday to Friday).

It's a huge national programme with options to travel or wait. If only the local centre works for someone's personal situation then that's fine they just might be a bit later. They'll still be jabbed sooner than slowing the whole programme down to delivery only at local sites (also more expensive and higher number of doses wasted).

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Wegobshite · 08/05/2021 07:00

Have you tried ringing
I was offered one at a place and time I couldn’t do
I just rang and when I gave them my dads postcode instead on mine ( who is in next street)I got the place that I wanted to for my jab
It shows up in my patient access app so changing the postcode wasn’t a issue

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Oysterbabe · 08/05/2021 07:07

The closest vaccine centre to me was a bit of a pain to get to but I booked it. Then yesterday I got a text from my GP about a pop-up clinic a short walk from my house this Wednesday. So I cancelled the vaccine cenre and booked there instead. You might still be offered somewhere else.

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Tumbleweed101 · 08/05/2021 07:47

We’ve noticed it tends to be difficult to find local ones as the new age band is released but a few days later local appointments appear again.

I have to travel 10 miles or more to nearest hubs but that is because I am rural and they are in my nearest towns. I had to book different towns for first and second but they are all in local ones. I was given the option of places up to 50miles away in my list and my colleague who tried to book was only being offered that location at one point but kept checking til local ones were available.

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WombatChocolate · 08/05/2021 09:26

MRex makes a good point, that by getting most people through the larger centres, they can deliver the jab much faster, than only offering lots of small, local centres, plus the fact that the dual system running means those who really can’t travel still get done more locally at some point, without slowing the whole system.

Most people can find a way to get to a centre offered in the national system if they look 2 or 3 times and find those offered change a bit. It requires a bit more planning and arranging with work or sorting lifts or arranging childcare for some people more than others. There will always be some who simply won’t be able to travel at all (not quite the same as preferring not to or not being willing to do anything to enable the journey) and the system is designed for those people too...no-one is left out, because more local centres will follow up those who haven’t been jabbed and drop in centres and vaccine buses do sessions to help those who haven’t been jabbed for whatever reason.

I guess the thing that is simply unavoidable, is that in most cases, if you want it local or can’t or won’t take the appointments that are available to you via the national booking system, you simply do usually have to wait a bit longer. It might be a few days or it could be a week or several weeks. But everyone will get it. To me, this seems a sensible system and the only viable one. It’s not possible to run the umpteen tiny clinics that would be needed for the whole thing to be locally based, due to staffing required when GPs already have to do their usual work, plus supply for first jabs is limited meaning those clinics would be even smaller and inefficient and slower. The way to get the speed and volume is for the vast majority to go to the bigger centres. It would be a problem if that was all that was available for a number of people, but the logistical organisers spotted that issue and ensured it isn’t by having a dual system and small numbers of local clinics for those who haven’t accessed the ones that requires some travel.

Some of this comes down to priorities as well. Usually when people are extremely keen for the jab...the ones who are watching out for the age to drop down etc, they make the journey happen. Because they really want it urgently, they find ways around whatever obstacles they might face...obviously to a point. People who wait for local often aren’t quite so desperate to be done, which is fine, because the system can’t cope with everyone trying to be done in the first day anyway. Lots of people won’t try to book until they get a personal invitation or even a phone call. When they see there’s a journey involved, they would rather wait as they feel avoiding the journey is more important than being jabbed a week or two sooner. People just prioritise differently. The system allows for both and everyone to get done at some point, often within a fairly small window of different timings.

So when people get cross about the slots being offered to them, I’d just remind everyone again, that if you don’t take what’s offered, you will get offered something more local at some point. No-one is excluded. No-one is denied the jab because the distance makes it expensive for them or disabilities stop them travelling. Firstly, are in place to help people with the journey via volunteers if they prefer to be jabbed sooner, and secondly, if they choose not access those things, the jab will one to them closer to home via a more local centre within a fairly short period of time. But it won’t come instantly in most cases, because the very nature of needing most people to go to the larger centres means the system needs to wait and see exactly who won’t go to those, before offering the very limited local slots. The very nature of the limited amount means they can’t just be offered straight off as. Anew rollout happens, becauese it wouldn’t be possible to see who couldn’t travel and who really needs the local slot and who will travel.

Everyone is catered for. When you look at how it works, I think it’s amazing and I continue to be impressed by how the way it’s organised has enabled the huge take up and despite people sometimes feeling a bit of short term frustration at the rollout gettingto their age group, or them managing to book their slot, very very quickly, everyone who wants to be jabbed in a group is done. It’s a massive success and we need to see that against the fact that an individual might face a choice to travel 40 miles or instead wait a further 2 weeks for the local appointment which will certainly arrive. No one needs to be left behind because of any reason.

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