Fast track nursing degree

[Wingingthis]

Do you think the government would consider this if the pandemic gets worse or continues for a long time? Is it even possible?

[AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii]

They won’t be able to administer syringe driver products, or any controlled drugs either. I’ve just had a look at the role and what they would be able to do and I pretty much do all of that as a band 2 in the community 🧐 obviously I know Scotland and England are different though

[Squiffany]

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

Nursing associates can still only do so much though?

They can do pretty much anything except, I think, administer chemo and blood products?

Think of the old SEN and RGN.

[nex18]

I think it’s difficult at the moment to give student nurses a well rounded experience. I think students are going to struggle to get their clinical hours in without trying to reduce the length of the course. I do have a vague recollection of there being a fast track course for graduates for a while (or maybe I dreamt it).

[Sertchgi123]

You specify radiologists separately as though they are not doctors...

@Siw2020 I did of course mean, radiographers! As you're obviously so clever, you should have realised that.

[Tiredmum100]

I wish people would realise nurses aren't just the dog bodies doing what they doctor says anymore. We are professionals in our own rights!! I work with GPs who respect our knowledge and skills luckily. Also I have been asked to contact specialist nurses by GPs as in their own words "they know about it than me". I started my nursing degree 18 years ago so this is not new concept. I think it could be possibly fast tracked to a 2 year programme but would need to be very much clinical based.

[Sertchgi123]

Thanks for your post. Of course I was referring to radiographers!

[Ilovemycat13]

@Siw2020
Radiographers don’t just report ‘2D X-rays’ my partner is a radiographer and there are many opportunities for radiographers to report plain film, MRI and CT. They are slowly taking the role of a radiologist.

[AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii]

Nursing associates can still only do so much though?

[AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii]

I’m currently doing my nurse training through the open uni, as part of my job in community nursing. This will take 4 years as it is classed as part time learning and as a poster said above I will need 2,300 practice hours to allow me to go on the register. This is set by the NMC and I doubt this will change. Also nurses absolutely need to be degree trained, in scotland they have just changed it all again so that nurses will now graduate as prescribers and being able to recognise differing chest sounds, percussion? Can’t remember what it is called but what the doctor does when he taps your chest. This year is also the first year where all 4 fields have been offered through the OU, I have chosen adult nursing as my specialist field but they are expecting you to have knowledge of them all so you can work anywhere. Even The nursing associate role in England is 2 years and another year for registration

[Babyroobs]

I was put on the emergency covid register at the start of the first lock down. I left the NMC register about eighteen months ago. No one has ever contacted me regarding needing me to work so I can only assume they don't need me. I have 30 years experience including years of caring for patients on CPAP machines.

[Squiffany]

Nurses are no longer just the Dr's handmaiden and haven't been for decades now.


However, no, I don't think students should be fast tracked. It's a full-time course (and some!) as it is. If the government brought back bursaries and made the course free again that would be the biggest help.

[PrivateD00r]

[quote Siw2020]@PrivateD00r

Just curious, did you think the radiographer that facilitates the CT/MRI scan etc also report it?

(There are a few reporting radiographers that report 2d x-ray by the way)[/quote]
I thought a more senior radiographer did the reporting

[x2boys]

That would make more sense @Funkypolar

[Funkypolar]

I wonder if they will try to train more assistant practitioners or nursing associates?

[Siw2020]

@PrivateD00r

Just curious, did you think the radiographer that facilitates the CT/MRI scan etc also report it?

(There are a few reporting radiographers that report 2d x-ray by the way)

[Toddlerteaplease]

I've been a nurse for 17 years. I don't have a degree. I'm trying to top up
To one. But I really don't want too.

[Toddlerteaplease]

In my experience the students doing the 2 year programme because they have a degree already do struggle to pack it all into two years

[x2boys]

I did my training in the early 90,s under the diploma system regardless of wether a degree is needed or not it was still three years of placements and academic work ,how fast do you think the training should be?

[Lougle]

There are already fast track courses. I did one in 2001 which was a 2 year course for degree holders. We had to do our course year-round though, so we didn't have the holidays that normal uni students did.

[PrivateD00r]

It is possible in some unis to do 2 year post grad pre-reg course if you already have a degree, I don't see how you could do it any quicker to be honest

[PrivateD00r]

Siw, it isn't my post that you quoted, but I am ashamed to say I didn't know radiologists are doctors - I thought they were radiographers! Every day is a learning day

[Rabbitholebonkers]

And those three years worth of placements already are intense.

[Rabbitholebonkers]

It’s not just the degree though is it? It’s three years worth of clinical placements. It is not a profession that can be fast tracked and to think otherwise is ludicrous. The fact is this ridiculous government slashed the bursary three years ago which means we are only beginning to see the effect of that. Call it karma.

[Siw2020]

@Sertchgi123

There's every reason for nursing to be a degree subject. Nursing these days is a very demanding profession requiring a high level of knowledge. Nurses work alongside doctors, physiotherapists, occupational therapists, radiologists, dieticians, speech therapists and social workers, all of whom are degree educated. The very idea that nurses do not require a similar education is ridiculous, frankly.

You specify radiologists separately as though they are not doctors...

[NerrSnerr]

Nursing degrees have been around a long time. I got mine 20 years ago and they certainly weren't new then (I just googled and it says nursing degrees started in 1960).

There is every reason why nurses need a degree level education. I don't think there would be time to fit the clinical hours in w fast track course.