So no hugging, mixing households until a vaccine?

[NutellaOnButteryToast]

Hi,

I have been wondering this for a long time and then last week, Nick Hancock admitted that this would likely be the case.....which is horrendous.

If we do manage to keep R under 1 and eventually well below, which I do understand is looking unlikely without more waves, then why won't it ever be safe to mix with our loved ones until there's a vaccine?

I'm starting to feel suffocated by the idea, as I know so many are.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks.

[strugglingwithdeciding]

If this goes on much longer I'm
Moving my family into my parents then we will be one household

[CoachBombay]

Fraser's mummy because the WAG were sly, they didn't actually say it, they waved the booklet about in a press conference and were like have a read here's our plan 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's ok, don't panic, not much will stop us Welsh shagging, and people as a whole may be nosey but let's just say a lot of people are going to be "dropping off bread and milk" to family and friends in need.

"Self isolating see officer, got to get his milk to her...."

"Oh aye" 😉

Men will be travelling the A roads of Wales with a hovis loaf and a pint of milk. 😂

[frasersmummy]

@PinkSparklyPussyCat.. So no.vaccine no dating, no procreating for those who.don't live together at the moment.

There won't be any Welsh people left in about 90 years!!!
Why is noone debating this madness with the govt

[Blue565]

Hilarious

Vaccine or no, my family won't be obeying this beyond June or July at the latest. What if there is never a vaccine?

Fear mongering bullshit

Also - nobody would obey an open ended "don't see your family"

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

The most recent Welsh document clearly lays out that contact with family and friends (without social distancing) won't be permitted until there's a vaccine or effective treatment, for those saying people are misunderstanding

Are people really going to take any notice of that eventually? How would anyone know, unless a nosy neighbour reported that they’d seen someone else going into the house or garden (not that jog would surprise me)?

[HIVpos]

'There isn't a vaccine for HIV, is there?'

As said, there is effective treatment for HIV so that it can’t be passed on to anyone else. There is also PrEP, which can be taken to prevent getting HIV, and also PEP, which acts like the morning after pill.

It must be stressed that although there are comparisons to be made between HIV and coronavirus, they really are so so different - HIV is a retrovirus and once caught lies dormant in the body which is why it is so difficult to find a cure. This does not happen with coronavirus.

[Time2change2]

@user1497207191
It’s not bullshit. There are no drugs to treat this. Oxygen is support, NOT treatment. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘whatever’? Care to expand?? Treatment makes the disease go away, treatment actively kills the disease. Support helps you through it by reducing pain or temporarily suppress symptoms. Cold and flu remedies do not get rid of the cold or flu. You still have to go through the virus but they help the pain and discomfort you feel through it.
There is no treatment and as I say, many of my medical professional friends / family members believe there may never be!

[ddl1]

'There isn't a vaccine for HIV, is there?'

No. But there are quite effective treatments, even if these must be continued long term; and it is possible to massively reduce the risk by using a condom.

[ddl1]

'but maybe as this is a disease that mainly affects fat, white, middle-aged men there will be more of an impetus to try for this one.'

Not really true. BAME people are more at risk than white people. And the old are more at risk than the middle aged.

[ddl1]

'Previous generations faced smallpox, polio, rabies, TB, bacterial infections w/ no antibiotics.'

Yes, and many of them never lived to grow up.

[EnthusiasmIsDisturbed]

Friend of mine is working in a government job in a Covid19 response role. Very sensible chap, had a walking date yesterday and ended up back at his flat! I don’t blame him at all

And that just shows you left to our own choices we choose that is best for us and will take risks just that one time

[user1497207191]

I have heard medical professionals (in real life) say there isn’t really any treatment and never will be! This is not treatable beyond support. The only hope really is a vaccine!

Bullshit. Most people who catch it have mild symptoms, so symptoms treatable with over the counter remedies. Out of those who are admitted to hospital, most recover and are discharged - so they have been "treated" via drugs, oxygen, or whatever. I read only yesterday that doctors now have a better understanding of the virus and have a range of treatments which are very different to what they were doing 2 months ago. Of course, "some" people will get it with severe symptoms that will kill them and no amount of treatment will help if their underlying conditions mean that the normal treatments don't work.

[BirdieFriendReturns]

Friend of mine is working in a government job in a Covid19 response role. Very sensible chap, had a walking date yesterday and ended up back at his flat! I don’t blame him at all.

[Time2change2]

I have heard medical professionals (in real life) say there isn’t really any treatment and never will be! This is not treatable beyond support. The only hope really is a vaccine!

[NutellaOnButteryToast]

@OverlyLeafy, no, it can't be.

I suspect a treatment is more likely to come before a vaccine, if indeed a vaccine is ever approved. That said, I'm not a medical professional, it just makes more sense to me.

[OverlyLeafy]

In addition to the worldwide scientific community trying to create a safe vaccine they are also looking at effective treatments for Covid-19. Imagine if they could simply treat those who test positive instead of simply managing symptoms.

A vaccine surely isn't the be all and end all?

[Olliephaunt4eyes]

I read something about this last night and felt genuinely suicidal. I can't. I just can't. I feel as if just surviving another two months of this will be a struggle and the prospect of 18 months of not being able to touch anyone outside my household, not being able to play a board game or have dinner with friends, because you can't put two meters between people round a table, not being able to hold my new niece for the first time - it just feels unendurable.

[okiedokieme]

Personally I'm ready to take my chances, think I've had it and it was very mild (got lucky as did dp, though he was iller than me). There's no guarantee ever of a vaccine. Most the people who have died had other conditions. Letting us all make our own decisions on risk is not an approach many approve of but it worked for Sweden, they didn't shut restaurants or primary schools.

[Dowser]

In my town, they are braying for schools not to go back in September.

Fabulous news.
It’s all going to be gone in September....not!
It’s pointless trying to argue with them

[CoachBombay]

highmarkingsnowmobile indeed, fuck that. Me and my peer group have given up on it all. We will remain in the green here till there is a vaccine/eradication/treatment. God knows where that can be. If rugby boys are going to be able to tackle and scrum. I'm shagging the bloke I've been seeing 🤷🏻‍♀️

[NutellaOnButteryToast]

but maybe as this is a disease that mainly affects fat, white, middle-aged men there will be more of an impetus to try for this one.

That's not the case. It affects 4 times more men from ethnic backgrounds, than white.

[user1477391263]

That's actually ridiculous. Team sports but no getting too close to friends and family. hmm Fuck that.

Well, exactly. Why worry about guidance that has a 0% chance of being followed?
I will be starting to have 1-1 playdates and do low-risk stuff from next month (I am not in the UK).

[user1477391263]

There will be a vaccine.

In the thought-experiment type parallel universe where there isn't a vaccine, people will fairly quickly get fed up and just decide to start taking their chances with the virus.

Previous generations faced smallpox, polio, rabies, TB, bacterial infections w/ no antibiotics. It was grim but they got on with their lives and mostly managed to be happy. COVID19 is threatening from our perspective as a 21st century culture which is not used to things that have no vaccine or quick cures. From a historical point of view it would have ranked very low down the list of "diseases to be worried about."

[highmarkingsnowmobile]

The most recent Welsh document clearly lays out that contact with family and friends (without social distancing) won't be permitted until there's a vaccine or effective treatment, for those saying people are misunderstanding. Everyone will be back in work and you can go to the pub (albeit both with distancing), team sports will be allowed, and schools will be open. But no going too close to friends and families.

That's actually ridiculous. Team sports but no getting too close to friends and family. Fuck that.

[Splodgetastic]

@user1497207191, my point about HIV is that a vaccine might never happen, but maybe as this is a disease that mainly affects fat, white, middle-aged men there will be more of an impetus to try for this one.