Download the App...and Save Lives

[DBML]

Will be our new slogan in just a few weeks?
What do you think?

[Everytimeref]

@Cabinfever10.

Totally agree.

[LangClegsInSpace]

For the App refusers, If you test positive and phoned by one of the call centres doing analogue tracking will you refuse to tell them where you have been and who you have been with?

Of course not, contact tracing is going to be extremely important. WHO said last night that even in Singapore and South Korea the majority of contact tracing needed to be done by humans. This should start at the right time but if not, go to 23:21.

[Thisdressneedspockets]

I'm be waiting to find out how the app works in practise and until it's been well scrutinised by those who know more about security and data.
I imagine that people might opt in to Google's version as an alternative.

[Cabinfever10]

@purplewithred
If I were to test positive or lived with someone who had I would happily give that information as there would be a valid reason for them to have 5-10 days worth of my movements and contacts.

What I am not prepared to do is allow the government and Cummings/dodgy cronies to track me for months/years store and use that data which they have already been forced to admit that not only can they link names/addresses and phone numbers to but also medical data, to but they intend to use for "other uses" (BBC article online can't do clicky links). Oh yes it also logs my location.

I have had a stalker before. I do not need or want another especially when that other would be my government.

[Purplewithred]

For the App refusers, If you test positive and phoned by one of the call centres doing analogue tracking will you refuse to tell them where you have been and who you have been with?

[milveycrohn]

I will download the app when it is live. Other countries have introduced similar apps. New Zealand have their own version. Germany are going with google version (so i read).
I am interested in how it works.
I may delete the app after a year or so, anyway

[MsLumley]

I'll download it. I'm prepared to do this because I believe it will help. I think helping reduce the spread of this virus takes priority for me over any concerns regarding privacy.

I appreciate many people have concerns but for me none of these outweigh the opportunity to fight the virus.

This. With bells on.

[peoplepleaser1]

Surely if this app potentially offers a solution to helping control the spread of this virus it's worth trying.

What is wrong with people who don't see this as an enormous priority right now.

It will be an enormous shame if we as a nation are so difficult about this that it fails to get off the ground, and consiquently we loose a valuable opportunity to save more lives and react quickly to any future waves.

[peoplepleaser1]

Why can't people who don't usually take their phone out with them change their habits so that they do take it- in a bag if they can't fit it in their pockets.

NHS and other workers are risking their lives to treat sick patients and some people complain that it's inconvenient to carry their phones- ffs that is truly pathetic!

[peoplepleaser1]

I'll download it. I'm prepared to do this because I believe it will help. I think helping reduce the spread of this virus takes priority for me over any concerns regarding privacy.

I appreciate many people have concerns but for me none of these outweigh the opportunity to fight the virus.

I wonder how easily it could be abused e.g. school pupils deliberately pinging teachers. Disgruntled neighbours and competitive businesses pinging each other etc. I'd actually like it to be more transparent to prevent this from happening.

I've nothing to hide and I'm happy to forgo my privacy to save lives and get this country back in its feet.

[ElphiasDoge]

I don’t quite understand how this will work if you work in healthcare. Surely mine will just be positive all the time!

[soloula]

How does it work? I know it says Bluetooth but Bluetooth works through walls so would the person working through the wall in the office next door who tests positive trigger a track and trace even though there's no direct contact? I might be geographically closer than someone in their actual office according to Bluetooth but not actually at risk at all but then I'd be required to isolate because my phone says I was in close contact? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Also - someone could theoretically be stuck in isolation for weeks on end because of various encounters with people who've tested positive? Someone tests positive that was beside me on the tube. I self isolate. Return to work. Someone in the office has it. Self isolate again. Is that how it works?

I'm a stay at home mum living in a small town and I rarely use public transport so these are unrealistic scenarios for my part but I can see how this might be problematic for people. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding how the TTT system works.

[B1rdbra1n]

I think I'll just wait and get the microchip in my arm, no half measures!

[BlueBrian]

Doubt if even enough people will install it on the Isle of White for it to be viable, the scheme will then quietly be forgotten before it ever actually gets rolled out to the rest of the UK.

[LangClegsInSpace]

Even the best app would only work as a useful addition to contact tracing by humans. It's not a substitute.

The NHS app is not the best app because it has huge unnecessary data protection issues.

I would have been prepared to give the google/apple app a go but I'm not touching this one.

Nobody will die because you don't download this app. The vast majority of contact tracing will still need to be done by human beings.

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

Unless everyone carries their mobile all the time it's not going to be reliable. don't always bother taking my mobile with me if I'm just popping to the shop or going for a walk. It's too big for pocket and I don't want to hold it all the time. Will there be smart watch app?

[stuckindoors77]

Well, yes, but that's not how this app works.

In the longer term it does though.

You come in contact with somebody with C-19, unknowingly you are now a carrier but you don't feel ill so you carry on as normal, you pop in to see your elderly neighbour and a few weeks later she's I'll.

Or
You come in contact with somebody with C-19, unknowingly you are now a carrier you have the app, it warns you so you self isolate, you don't visit your neighbour, she stays well.

So, to me, despite the flaws it's worth it.

[Lumene]

Interesting development on this (source: the guardian)

Apple and Google have said they would ban the use of location tracking in apps that use a new contact tracing system the two are building to slow the spread of the coronavirus....Both companies said that privacy and preventing governments from using the system to compile data on citizens was a primary goal.

[Abbccc]

I fail to understand those with issues on privacy.

If you had a dying person in front of you and dowloading the app saved them would you do it then?

Well, yes, but that's not how this app works.

[Lumene]

There are data protection rights and laws for very good reasons. The govt needs to work within these with any app enough people will be prepared to download.

[Lumene]

I fail to understand those with issues on privacy.

Have a look at countries that don’t allow their citizens privacy. Would you like to live in China?

We can find a way to track and trace without selling out on democratic freedoms.

[Kmxxx14]

What are the worries people have?

I know people say “privacy/centralised database” but what does that mean? What are the implications from storing it in a centralised database? What privacy issues would I need to think about?

I can’t really work it out for myself.

The government knows where I live, work. Already people are tracked using mobile data or camera on the roads.

So if I commit a crime they can trace my phone location or car to certain locations.

What difference will this app make?

[feetfreckles]

The centralised vs distributed is a red herring introduced by companies producing rival software that didn't do everything the NHS needed

You can have a distributed system that is more insecure and less privacy respecting than a centralised system. It depends on the design and the supporting systems and regulations.

[StrawberryJam200]

@Dadnotamum72 absolutely!

[Dadnotamum72]

I fail to understand those with issues on privacy.

If you had a dying person in front of you and dowloading the app saved them would you do it then?

To me it's as bad if not worse to not download it and try and help as it is to ignore current lockdown rules.

Going on a jolly to the seaside and giving a local the virus or not downloading the app which if you get the virus could warn someone else who in turn doesn't then go out and saves someone else, which is worse?